Can someone please remind me exactly what this does?

homeboy5925 · 2012-02-08T22:09:06.744684+00:00

Took a jab at libertarians, reddit and their love of libertarians, and their love of "only pay for what I use" based taxes, and then their lack of taking 5 minutes on the internet to search for what the fees fund, then linking that back to the supposed hyper-intelligent and rational-at-all-costs facade a lot of people hide behind with libertarianism :).

homeboy5925 · 2012-02-08T22:06:58.458214+00:00

Not sure if trolling...

homeboy5925 · 2012-02-08T21:40:20.421390+00:00

Here's the truth: It's so they can advertise a lower price. It's the whole asterisk-pricing thing. Fly to San Francisco for only 99 dollars! says Airline A. Fly to San Francisco for only 130 dollars! says Airline B. Guess who gets more business? If they both said 130 dollars because they're both including the fees and taxes that are known up-front, then they're on a more level playing field.

The Passenger Use Fee is charged by the airline, and it's a lot like ticketmaster fees. It's just a way to charge more for the ticket, but advertise a lower price.

homeboy5925 · 2012-02-08T21:38:42.473724+00:00

Check out the movie Brazil if you think you can find humor in this :)

homeboy5925 · 2012-02-08T21:38:05.731045+00:00

Surprisingly, most of congress has listened to this complaint for a long time, and actually acted on it.

However, also not surprisingly, plenty of republicans are trying to get it reversed.

homeboy5925 · 2012-02-08T21:34:58.781613+00:00

I think it depends on the airport. I'm sure they do to some extent, but I guess that airports aren't cheap and a lot of different funding sources help keep them running :)

homeboy5925 · 2012-02-08T21:34:23.833603+00:00

Depends on the airline. There might be a higher fee for having to take up a person's time to book the flight by hand :)

homeboy5925 · 2012-02-08T21:33:39.937631+00:00

The passenger use fee is charged by the airline, not the airport/city/port/governemnt. So it depends on the airline. Really cut-rate airlines (ryanair, jetblue, spirit) often get into trouble over that fee :)

homeboy5925 · 2012-02-08T21:32:50.073422+00:00

Right. Almost all of those fees (except the "passenger use fee") go to the government/city/port. And they do it because everybody does it, and it allows them to advertise significantly lower prices.

homeboy5925 · 2012-02-08T21:31:34.307314+00:00

In addition, aggregated charges help offset the cost so that services can be offered in the first place.

homeboy5925 · 2012-02-08T21:28:54.339337+00:00

I totally agree. I would also ship clothes and carry nothing more than a backpack with the electronics. I did, however, remove the political bit :)

homeboy5925 · 2012-02-08T21:27:54.159564+00:00

Not all airlines charge it. And it's not a mandatory, fixed fee. Spirit airlines is the last one to get into hot water over it's passenger use fee.

homeboy5925 · 2012-02-08T21:26:17.261792+00:00

Sorry, I've been to too many Canadian airports lately. Montreal and Vancouver absolutely have free wifi. So does Seattle. Sorry your city sucks :)

homeboy5925 · 2012-02-08T21:25:37.093043+00:00

In another interesting fact, Congress was talking about a bill that would force advertised prices (including those on websites) to include all knowable up-front fees. Naturally, the airline industry was crying foul about big government telling them how to do business.

randumnumber · 2012-02-08T21:24:34.953651+00:00

The yipping worked for me, but not my girlfriend. We had to do the escalating tmeouts for a good week before he learned that he shouldn't bit her face. He still bites at her clothes, but she's become more lax since he's stopped biting her skin, so it's probably just a consistency issue.

homeboy5925 · 2012-02-08T21:23:30.565550+00:00

You're (mostly) right. I removed the political bit.

homeboy5925 · 2012-02-08T21:19:52.838536+00:00

That's why it got political. That, and vast swaths of reddit seem to love the idea of libertarianism, and I like to make sure they really understand what they're asking for. This is a great example of doing exactly what so many people want -- and then bitching that they didn't do 30 seconds of internet research to figure out what the charges were for.

miguelsalazarg · 2012-02-08T21:03:48.220854+00:00

I did this exact plan, pretty much. Here's our schedule:

5:00am: Girlfriend gets up. Out of crate, potty break, then he naps in kitchen while she gets ready for work. No food access, but water immediately after bathroom break then gets taken up when he's finished.

6:20am: Girlfriend leaves for work. Puts him back in crate after last potty break.

7:45am: I get up. Release from crate, potty. Food in his crate (with door open). You've never seen a creature so eager to be cooped up :)

8:15am: 20-30 minute walk, maybe some training, maybe some flirt pole.

9:00am: I leave for work. In crate with a kong.

12:15pm: I come home for lunch break, walk, potty.

1:00pm: back in crate

5:30pm: One/both of us get home (her commute sucks :/). Potty, etc.

We have been doing this since he was 9, 9.5 weeks old. Only had one accident, and that was when neither of us got home until 6:30 due to a traffic accident.

I leave a TV on during the day, and give him a stuffed kong (usually with his kibble and 1-2tsp peanut butter) each time (except the 6:20-7:45am crating).

I think the crate really helps prevent separation anxiety. It's a small area they're in control of, and you make it a really happy place (hide kibble and give them all their meals in there), and they take to it quite quickly. In addition, they simply don't have the opportunity to chew up things they shouldn't. My puppy seems to like it, and he still generally gets enough attention/exercise to be happy, and doesn't seem to have developed any anxieties yet. He still gets worried when we leave, but in a general way, not a self-destructive way. The more you keep the schedule (yes, painfully, even on weekends), the more OK he is with it.

EDIT: Enroll him in some puppy kindergarten. It starts teaching basic manners, gets him socialized with other people/scenarios, and lets him play a bit with some other puppies. They'll all teach each other how to play and get real worn out. In addition, since all the puppies are young and maybe not up on shots, you're safer than with full-size dogs who might be spreading disease, but be immune to it themselves. Resist the urge to take your puppy to the dog park or let him run around in a large fenced-off area where wild animals or unvaccinated dogs might have wandered.

Rockfootball47 · 2012-02-08T20:56:33.156489+00:00

I haven't tried it in a while, but hae you thought of a puppy play pen? They're not super cheap, but might be effective. He's out of the crate, gets to stretch and walk around (and maybe eat/drink), but not total freedom.

Rockfootball47 · 2012-02-08T20:55:24.787638+00:00

My goldendoodle pup gets let out at 5, then starts whining incessantly at abuot 7:15 until he's fed.. at which point he's happy to conk out (or play, depending on people availability) until noon.

CANAD14N · 2012-02-08T20:53:26.201324+00:00

First off, 6-8 weeks is when a puppy learns to play nicely with others, and this includes how hard to bite/mouth. Your dog IS going to have more of a problem with that. He probably didn't even start getting corrected, so it's totally up to you now.

Try the yipping more, and be consistent, but turn it up. He gets 1 yip. if he continues biting, separate physically. Then, when that seems to be working, he doesn't even get a warning. A yip AND physical separation on first offense. If you return and he bites again, immediate physical separation AND yip but for a long time frame. If you don't feel completely ridiculous making the yipping sound, you might just be encouraging him. It has to actually sound like you're a dog in pain. Your neighbors should be concerned about the odd sex you and your partner are having.

He is probably getting a bunch of attention when he bites, and he craves attention. You have to make the "no attention" his punishment. And when he is howling in his time out? Ignore him. Even if he craps. You don't get out unless you're quiet, no exceptions. He'll pick up on that REAL soon.

estrellaj · 2012-02-08T20:47:51.534806+00:00

Ahh, I remember those days. Here's my generic advice:

Crate train. If you're not, you should be. Look it up, and do it. My puppy took to it in just a few days.
Spend a few minutes outside with the dog AFTER he pees. You don't want him associating peeing with "i have to go inside now :(" if he really loves it. That'll get him to have to "pee" all the time, and even hold it once he's outside. And if you take him outside after he pees in the house, he's getting what he wants anyway. If you let him sniff around and goof off for a few minutes as a reward for peeing, he won't associate peeing with "fun is done." In addition, many dogs will pee multiple times. If I'm out with my puppy (14 weeks), he will go anywhere from 2 to 5 times in a 5 minute session. I think it might be the beginnings of him marking, but you never know. Try to get at least 2 out of your pup.
Clean it with an enzyme-based cleaner, like nature's miracle. Once a dog has peed somewhere, even if you use 409 or the like, a small lingering scent -- sometimes called a "scent post" -- remains. And if the smell persists, your dog leans that place is a perfectly valid place to pee -- why else would it smell like that?
Follow the basic schedule: Every hour or so, depending on need. After a long play time. Before going in the crate. Right after coming out of the crate. 5-15 minutes after eating. 5-15 minutes after drinking water. Yes, this means you'll be outside every 15 minutes for a few hours while training. This is normal, and to be expected. You want to set your dog up for success. If she simply never learns that peeing in the house is a valid option, she doesn't do it.

randumnumber · 2012-02-08T20:40:23.227993+00:00

One thing to think about -- if you're just saying "yip" like you would to a normal person, it might just egg the dog on. She might think, "this is fun! and now we're playing!"

If you don't feel like a giant idiot doing the yip, you're not doing it right. LOUD -- louder than you think should be necessary. And as shrill as you can make it. So loud that your puppy will be startled (and maybe even frightened, but that's not what you're doing for).

If they persist, then physically separate until she has calmed down. Either move her to another room (with as little touching or talking as possible), or leave the room yourself.

homeboy5925 · 2012-02-08T20:27:15.728324+00:00

you don't. they're just enumerating what it will cost. this is libertarianism and "only charge me what i'm using!" at it's finest.

homeboy5925 · 2012-02-08T20:25:56.097034+00:00

Segment fee pays for moving your bags from one airplane to the next.

Passenger use fee is for buying your tickets online and supporting those systems.

Passenger facility fee is how you pay for the toilets inside the airport, and the waste removal/disposal from the airplane. It also covers things like building repair and maintenance of the airport, paying for the cleanup crews and stuff like tvs and free wifi.

9/11 Security Fee is how the TSA is funded. It's 2.50 per segment, not more than payments in a given trip. So 5 bucks each way, 10 bucks.

US Transportation Tax is how the FAA gets funded, and also imposed to deal with plane inspections and rules.

EDIT: Political bit removed because it didn't further any conversation.

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