Monsanto maize banned in France.

CrazyDrummer · 2012-05-25T20:14:16.603214+00:00

Do you see why this is such a shitty report now? de Vendômois and his team intentionally didn't limit the variables so they could conflate any problems with consuming herbicide with consuming GMO corn. They could have easily tested solely for unintended metabolic effects, but chose not to.

Also, I'm not going to trust information from a site that blames autism on GMO crops. Find a better source.

CrazyDrummer · 2012-05-25T19:35:50.616544+00:00

I read the journal article and quoted the parts that detail the addition of herbicide to the corn here.

Introduction

One corn (NK 603) has been genetically engineered to tolerate the broad spectrum herbicide Roundup and thus contains residues of this formulation. The two other types of GM maize studied produce two different new insecticides namely modified versions of Cry1Ab (MON 810) and Cry3Bb1 (MON 863) Bacillus thuringiensis-derived proteins. Therefore, all these three GM maize contain novel pesticide residues that will be present in food and feed.

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Discussion section

The possibility of renal porosity as evidenced by these data may be due to the presence of residues of Roundup herbicide, that are present in GM crop varieties such as the NK 603 maize investigated here. We have previously demonstrated that glyphosate-based herbicides such as Roundup are highly toxic at very low concentrations to human embryonic kidney cells [36], inducing a decrease in viability, noticeably via inhibition of mitochondrial succinate dehydrogenase.

Here's the journal article in its entirety.

Your response is exactly why I called that report a hit piece. You didn't read the details, you just read the headline and assumed that its the GMO corn itself causing the damage.

CrazyDrummer · 2012-05-25T19:19:45.068892+00:00

Try to keep up. The study this case cites tested GMO corn with herbicide (RoundUp) on it. The GMO corn itself was harmless, but the herbicide caused some kidney and liver damage. Since RoundUp is water soluble and these crops are washed or irrigated multiple times, there's no risk to people consuming this corn.

SnipsLOLz · 2012-05-25T04:00:11.240192+00:00

May this karma heal the wound of that day.

Also audios motherfuckers are fantastic.

txking12 · 2012-05-25T00:02:29.289062+00:00

I love when I get told to read rule 38 when I quote the goddamn thing in my post link to the GOP rules manual.

RULE NO. 38 Unit Rule: No delegate or alternate delegate shall be bound by any attempt of any state or Congressional district to impose the unit rule.

Look, I even took a screenshot of it to prove I'm not making this up.

txking12 · 1 day

I completely agree. Which is why I am against Ron Paul supporters packing state conventions in attempts to undo or otherwise manipulate the 70% of the total GOP delegates that are bound and pledged directly through the primary or caucus vote, which Romney has overwhelmingly won.

txking12 · 1 day

3/4ths of the total GOP delegates are super delegates flocking to Romney or bound and pledged directly through the primary or caucus vote, which Romney has overwhelmingly won, and which Paul supporters shouldn't be able to manipulate. The Paul campaign is hoping to ignore the state GOP rules about bound and pledged delegates by packing state conventions with Paul supporters then invoking Rule 38 to unbind them and vote for Paul. Now you won't see this as "breaking the rules", but to any neutral observer, it's pretty clearly ignoring the rules to try to impose a deeply unpopular candidate on the GOP.

Funny thing though? Rule 38 doesn't work the way you guys think it works.

RULE NO. 38 Unit Rule: No delegate or alternate delegate shall be bound by any attempt of any state or Congressional district to impose the unit rule.

UNIT RULE: A rule of procedure at a national politcal convention under which a state's entire vote must be cast for the candidate preferred by a majority of the state's delegates.

There's no attempt at binding every single state delegate to a single candidate, so Rule 38 doesn't magically unbind every delegate.

TL/DR: Most delegates are bound and pledged under the rules, Paul supporters are trying to break/get around those rules.

txking12 · 1 day

I don't give a shit about "So long as we can twist the rules, it's perfectly moral to ignore voters" handwaving. Just don't ever bring up "ignoring the will of the people" here. It's pure, unadulterated hypocrisy.

txking12 · 1 day

GOP popular vote totals:

Romney 6,904,809
Santorum 3,664,006
Gingrich 2,568,313
Paul 1,651,141

The hypocrisy of this place astounds me.

EDIT: One other thing.

Results for Massachusetts primary: Romney 72%, Santorum 12%, Paul 9.5%, Gingrich 4.6%.

Delegate Allocation: Of the 41 delegates, 27 are allocated proportionally by Congressional district to candidates receiving a minimum of 15 percent of the statewide vote. Eleven at-large delegates awarded proportionally based on statewide vote to candidates receiving a minimum of 15 percent of the vote. Three Republican National Committee members are unbound.

The only person with standing for delegates in Massachusetts is Mitt Romney. No amount of provisional ballots will change this.

madfrogurt · 1 day

His personal textbook must have omitted the Cold War chapters.

txking12 · 2 days

Strangely the Oklahoma people elected a majority of Ron Paul delegates tho

Don't try to mask what really happened. Paul supporters packed the convention and forced their way into delegate positions they didn't earn. There was no great surge of support for the guy who received less that 10% of Oklahoma's votes and less than a third of any other candidate. The people of Oklahoma very clearly do not approve of Paul.

txking12 · 2 days

Oklahoma primary results: Santorum 33.8%, Romney 28%, Gingrich 27.5%, Paul 9.6%.

Delegate Allocation: Of the 43 delegates, 40 of them – 15 by Congressional district and 25 at-large — are bound and allocated proportionally to candidates receiving a minimum of 15 percent of the vote. Delegates --- at large and by Congressional district -- are winner-take-all if a candidate receives more than 50 percent of the vote. Three R.N.C. members are unbound.

Paul wasn't popular enough make the 15% cutoff, and didn't qualify for delegates. Simple as that. I don't know what this lawsuit seeks to accomplish.

binary · 3 days

Is it Bayer's turn already to be blamed for colony collapse? Yesterday's thread on /r/health blaming Monsanto isn't even cold yet.

CrazyDrummer · 3 days

Really, it's "Don't worry, glyphosate is water soluble and is removed before produce enters stores", but go right ahead and believe whatever you want. I'm sure you'll witness hundreds of your dimwitted friends, family, and coworkers fall ill due to these awful store bought vegetables.

CrazyDrummer · 3 days

Please go out and spread the word that non-GMO crops are poisonous killers to all your friends and coworkers. Save them from these awful killers. Ignore the twat who actually read the study and explained its shortcomings, and stick to the idea that non-organic vegetables are deadly. I'm sure everyone will agree with you.

Hugs and kisses, madfrogurt.

CrazyDrummer · 3 days

Good job isolating a single sentence to mock. Clearly that line was the linchpin of my argument, which you have succinctly and thoroughly debunked.

CrazyDrummer · 3 days

As for vegetarianism, it does not always mean having produce with pesticide on them. You can grow your own stuff.

Wow. Do you even believe your own bullshit? How many vegetarians have you met that have grown their entire dietary requirements by themselves?

CrazyDrummer · 3 days

This is akin to a study of the health benefits of non-organic vegetarianism, where the experiment is based on feeding rats produce covered in pesticides (since crops are just as much "showered" with pesticides as they are RoundUp). Conclusion? Vegetarianism causes liver and kidney damage.

CrazyDrummer · 3 days

We aren't just talking about herbicides. You have a problem with ANY chemical sprayed on a crop that could harm human health, which includes pesticides. You've disregarded the fact that all crops are washed before arriving at stores (and should be washed at home regardless), which nullifies the supposed threat of GMO corn.

No, you paranoid loon, I am not a paid Monsanto shill writing from a ~~two and a half~~ three year old account. I'm just a guy with a degree in biology who hasn't bought into the hysteria.

CrazyDrummer · 3 days

I'm going to ask this again, since you're ignoring it: how do you think non-Monsanto herbicides and pesticides work?

CrazyDrummer · 3 days

How do you think all herbicides and pesticides work? You spray them on crops. Monsanto's RoundUp Ready crops just have a different version of a common plant enzyme that gives it tolerance to RoundUp.

Seriously, how do you think non-Monsanto herbicides and pesticides work?

madfrogurt

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