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Bernard Herrmann's score for "I Confess" makes me think of "The Shining" by kubrickslabin StanleyKubrick

[–]kubrickslab[S] 0 points1 point ago

I did read a book, I think it was called 5 on 5 or something, that was composed of interviews with 5 different directors. Cronenberg, Burton, Coppola and Oliver Stone were 4 of them, but I can't remember the fifth.

I wore the black overcoat when I was a lad and have very dark hair so I guess I had the look by accident but I was more of a rebel who wouldn't want to be a member of any group. I was friends with the Goth kids though but I was also friends with the preppies, with the kids who placed dice behind the alley and the kids who spent their time in library. I read a book in elementary school that was a Children's bio of RUN-DMC. Run said the members of the group made it a practice to be friends with all of the kids, whether they were cool or not, growing up and it made something of an impression on me. I actually posted a recent photo of myself that seemed appropriate to the "Can You do the Kubrick Stare?" post that went up the other day. The angle isn't perfect but I was doing the stare on purpose cause I'm wearing a shirt for "The Shining".

I hope you are right about the Ophuls films but if they have been dueling over the rights, it has been going on forever. I'm excited for "Fear and Desire" though because I think it's going to be a much better print than the one I downloaded years ago.

Try to watch The Reckless Moment before The Deep End. It will probably require "other methods". Here's a very simple one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0a4MhuTBUw

Bernard Herrmann's score for "I Confess" makes me think of "The Shining" by kubrickslabin StanleyKubrick

[–]kubrickslab[S] 0 points1 point ago*

I read all of those except the Cronenberg one. I also read Allen on Allen.

I was never a Goth kid, but I used to get accused of being one and dying my hair black and Burton was my favorite director at one time as a kid.

It's really weird that they have yet to release LFAUW in the states on DVD. It's available in the other markets. I don't really know the history but there has always something fishy about its release. For one thing, the title department somehow misspelled Ophuls' name as Opuls. I always wonder if it has something to do with the way Orson Welles' releases have always kind of been less than they should be with the exception of the irrepressible Citizen Kane. John Houseman produced LFAUW and Citizen Kane and LFAUW is subversive in its subtext so there could be something there. I once ordered the film from all code China over ebay but my ex-girlfriend borrowed it and never gave it back.

Another funny thing is that Ophuls' The Reckless Moment is another great Hollywood film that regularly finishes towards the top of British critic polls for greatest film ever and yet, the film was never released on VHS or DVD in the states. It used to be my holy grail since LFAUW was on VHS and my favorite film going way back. I finally saw The Reckless Moment at a revival theater before using other methods to acquire a copy. They remade it with Tilda Swinton as The Deep End which I actually begrudgingly saw first in the theater in 2001. Both versions are actually very good but the Ophuls film is an all time great, stars James Mason, and is worth tracking down.

How Did "2001" Influence "Inception"? by GambitOfDesiresin StanleyKubrick

[–]kubrickslab 0 points1 point ago

Oh, well then I obviously don't consider it to be a footnote film since I think Zodiac might be his best film overall. Thanks for teaching me the term though.

I don't think Kubrick actually had a footnote film unless it was Spartacus but that was really just because that was the only one where he didn't have control. I think it taught him a lot though and it definitely has its moments.

Bernard Herrmann's score for "I Confess" makes me think of "The Shining" by kubrickslabin StanleyKubrick

[–]kubrickslab[S] 0 points1 point ago*

I had and read Lynch on Lynch and Lost Highway is probably my 3rd favorite film by Lynch. I also feel like it is in the same family as Blue Velvet, Twin Peaks, Mulholland Dr. and Inland Empire within all of his work.

What makes Letter From an Unknown Woman my #1 film? That might be as hard for me to compose as your critique of Spielberg. I'll just say that it's one of the very few films I consider organically perfect in that it would suffer from a trimming to any of its scenes and that its images, dialog and sounds flow together like great classical music. It is also highly ironic towards it subject in that it is ostensibly a woman's weepie and yet, perhaps, sticks the biggest stake in the heart of romanticism itself that has ever been struck. It attacks romantic films the way Heathers attacks films about high school. However, in spite of this great irony, the film is thoroughly sympathetic with both of its main characters emotions even as it painstakingly dissects their egos to prove their romantic inadequacies. Of all of Ophuls films, it is also the closest to Douglas Sirk in that it often has simultaneous tracks of viewer response where you can both find something tragic and funny. Have you seen it?

How Did "2001" Influence "Inception"? by GambitOfDesiresin StanleyKubrick

[–]kubrickslab 0 points1 point ago

Haven't seen Havoc but are you saying the scene you described is no longer in the film or something?

Zodiac had a fairly unique structure, as far as I know in all of film, in that it consisted of a series of increasingly longer ellipses in time. What's a footnote film?

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[–]kubrickslab 0 points1 point ago

I'm excited about Catwoman because the gorgeous Anne Hathaway is playing her and because it's a Batman movie. Also, I think I like Nolan a lot better when he is straightforward and doesn't get to play with his full arsenal of narrative tricks. Tarantino doesn't bother me in this regard at all.

It's ironic that one of Tarantino's two favorite directors, Howard Hawks, was dead set against flashbacks and non-linear narratives. Hawks thought these devices would annoy the viewer and one of his basic principles was not to be annoying. I guess it all depends.

BTW: Loved the narrative structure of Fincher's Zodiac. That might just be his best film although I'd have a hard time choosing between Fight Club and Seven too.

Bernard Herrmann's score for "I Confess" makes me think of "The Shining" by kubrickslabin StanleyKubrick

[–]kubrickslab[S] 0 points1 point ago

Breathless, Bonjour Tristesse and Jean Seberg are very important to me. I've got two Breathless posters and an original Sight and Sound of Jean Seberg taking a photograph at whoever was taking the cover photo. Other stuff too. I'm actually something of Seberg collector. You might read "Played Out", the bio on her by David Richards. The CIA and Hoover might have even had something to do with her death.

I count anything Resnais as New Wave and Last Year at Marienbad was one of the first DVDs I bought, although I first saw the film in a college library with a tiny tv and headphones on.

I think you said you are a special features whore or something but you ought to know that Hulu Plus has hundreds and hundreds of the Criterion Collection streaming. There might be like a 1000 Criterions and it's only 7 or 8 bucks a month. After you watch a film, the internet has plenty of "special features" anyway.

While I love Truffaut, I didn't like "The Last Metro" all that much, but "The Earrings of Madame De..." is my 27th favorite film and my second favorite Ophuls. Letter From an Unknown Woman is actually my #1.

I love Louise Brooks and for more than her acting career. Her "Lulu in Hollywood" is a great read and reveals her humor and wit. Women like her are no fair.

I've only seen Inland Empire once and it was when it was released at the IFC Center. I loved it but I don't feel like I can comment intelligibly about it at present. Twin Peaks is the best thing TV ever produced in my book and Blue Velvet #21 are Mulholland Dr #72 are in my top 100. In general, I love everything he has ever done. I even love his "Crazy Clown Time" album, creepy MP3 ring tones and speeches about TM.

Bernard Herrmann's score for "I Confess" makes me think of "The Shining" by kubrickslabin StanleyKubrick

[–]kubrickslab[S] 0 points1 point ago

I guess I prefer the sixties because of the number of foreign masters who enjoyed prominence at the time and I particularly love films from the French New Wave. Also, my favorite two directors are probably Ingmar Bergman and Stanley Kubrick and the 60s was their best decade in my view and Hitchcock's first three films of the decade were amongst his very finest.

I'm not actually the biggest fan of Coppola in general but some of his films are right up there.

That's an interesting way to film a film of Malick's. I like it. Wong Kar-Wai ought to give it a try.

As for Eraserhead versus El Topo. Well, I move these films around some times. I'm a huge Lynch fan and Eraserhead is currently my 38th favorite film of the decade. If anything, it might just be that I like other films by Lynch so much more. In comparison, I could always flat out enjoy El Topo throughout, whereas I would need to be in the right mood to watch Eraserhead. I will say that in spite of that, I have seen Eraserhead many more times than El Topo.

How Did "2001" Influence "Inception"? by GambitOfDesiresin StanleyKubrick

[–]kubrickslab 0 points1 point ago

I'm a big Roeg fan and have seen most of his films. I would call him a serious director--when he was in prime anyway. Nolan has little respect for reality or people's real inner lives in my view. His films are like crossword puzzles or riddles to be solved but the solution never carries any wisdom or illumination with it. Insomnia does seem to stand outside of his sensibility but to me, that is a good thing. It is the one film where I felt like he was thinking about all of the characters in three dimensions and was taking pains to make things realistic. The conditions of the setting and the sleeplessness of the protagonist helped a lot. I love the tactile sense of the rocks and fall during the ankle twisting sequence.

I didn't know that he didn't write Insomnia but it means that the only two films I really liked by him came from an outside source.

Bernard Herrmann's score for "I Confess" makes me think of "The Shining" by kubrickslabin StanleyKubrick

[–]kubrickslab[S] 0 points1 point ago

Wow, those are some great films to see for the first time. I've seen too many films. I don't think I could really put together a week like that anymore of established classics that are widely seen.

I prefer the 60s to the 70s for cinema but here are my top 25 films of the 70s: 1. Barry Lydon 2. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. 3. A Clockwork Orange 4. Taxi Driver 5. That Obscure Object of Desire 6. The Deer Hunter 7. Scenes From a Marriage 8. The Godfather II 9. The Godfather 10. Autumn Sonata 11. Manhattan 12. Murmur of the Heart 13. Annie Hall 14. Chinatown 15. Cries and Whispers 16. Days of Heaven 17. Mean Streets 18. Carrie 19. Tristana 20. Small Change 21. Dawn of the Dead 22. Apocalypse Now 23. The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeois 24. El Topo 25. Five Easy Pieces

How Did "2001" Influence "Inception"? by GambitOfDesiresin StanleyKubrick

[–]kubrickslab 0 points1 point ago*

I don't hate all of his films at all. My favorite by far is "The Dark Knight", although I didn't like "Batman Begins" much. I also like "Insomnia" and have a lukewarm feeling regarding the rest of his films. I guess Inception is the exception as it is the only one I positively despise.

I don't really think he's a serious filmmaker in terms of his intentions though. And by the way, I walked out of the theater during the first sequel to "The Matrix".

How Did "2001" Influence "Inception"? by GambitOfDesiresin StanleyKubrick

[–]kubrickslab 0 points1 point ago

I dislike Inception to the extent that I don't even like discussing it. I will only say that it had perhaps the highest proportion of expositional dialog of any film I have ever seen. I felt like I completely got it on first viewing and wasn't intellectual stimulated by it whatsoever. As far as I'm concerned, it was Nolan's M. Night Shamalan film because the film wasn't about referring to reality but instead presents a puzzle that can't ultimately reveal anything but itself. Now, if you figured out what was going on early in the film, as I did, the rest of the film was as tedious as it gets. I would compare it to having to sit in a classroom as a student in a grade level several below your own. I couldn't wait for it to be over. If I hadn't been watching with a friend in a theater, I might have walked out.

Bernard Herrmann's score for "I Confess" makes me think of "The Shining" by kubrickslabin StanleyKubrick

[–]kubrickslab[S] 0 points1 point ago

btw: One Flew is my 2nd favorite film of the 70s, behind Barry Lyndon, and 18th favorite overall. I rank Dog Day Afternoon as the 36th best film of the 70s and it doesn't make my top 100. One Flew is also the only film by either director in my top 100. I don't bother with year and only rank films I consider a 9 or 10 by decade.

Bernard Herrmann's score for "I Confess" makes me think of "The Shining" by kubrickslabin StanleyKubrick

[–]kubrickslab[S] 0 points1 point ago

Oh, okay. I actually didn't watch them until fairly recently and don't intend to read the books. I used to read the book and see the movie and vice versa but for time now I have resisted the urge and try to just experience one or the other. Great films are one thing but there are simply too many great and important books to read. I haven't watched the movie "The Road" for instance because I intend to get to the book one day. I should watch the movie though because my reading tastes are such that I usually opt for something by Shakespeare or Dostoyevsky rather than give something recent a chance. I've been working my way through Anthony Trollope's novels.

Bernard Herrmann's score for "I Confess" makes me think of "The Shining" by kubrickslabin StanleyKubrick

[–]kubrickslab[S] 0 points1 point ago

Did you see the whole Millennium series though?--because it is a longer version of the film and restores missing subplots.

Bernard Herrmann's score for "I Confess" makes me think of "The Shining" by kubrickslabin StanleyKubrick

[–]kubrickslab[S] 0 points1 point ago

If nothing else, don't you think Nurse Ratched was criminally responsible for Billy's suicide?

I think Fincher's two most sentimental films by far are Ben Buttons and the Social Network and I dislike them mostly for that reason. I even prefer Alien 3 to them. Haven't seen the Dragon Tattoo yet and I'm not sure how much I want to. I saw the entire Swedish extended Millennium series covering the three books and thought it was great so I'm not really sure about seeing the Fincher film.

How Did "2001" Influence "Inception"? by GambitOfDesiresin StanleyKubrick

[–]kubrickslab 0 points1 point ago*

I thoroughly hated Inception from beginning to end but 2001 influences thousands of films, good and bad. I don't think Kubrick would have liked it either since he hated exposition. Any thoughts?

Bernard Herrmann's score for "I Confess" makes me think of "The Shining" by kubrickslabin StanleyKubrick

[–]kubrickslab[S] 0 points1 point ago*

Just so you are clear, Randall P fakes madness to get out of serving time in jail.

I actually think Cuckoo's Nest does a good job using the asylum as a metaphor for attacking all of society whereas Dogs Day is less universal and about a particular event.

Beyond any of that, I also judge Milos Forman to be a far superior director in general than Sydney Lumet--who I do greatly admire.....my mom has worked as either a stand-in or extra on many of his films. I'm not sure if either director fully meets the standard of auteur, but both are superior craftsman with classic sensibilities and taste.

We talk about Kubrick a lot but he's useful here. Every Kubrick film is pretty much its own world and he goes to every length to make that world both particular and believable. Kubrick also understands that this requires some degree of repose. I think Forman is stronger than Lumet in this regard, possibly because he has a European sensibility, and One Flew is a great example.

The first association I make when I think of the film is usually something along the lines of the ubiquitous elevator music and the general routine of the patients mulling around. Like many of my real favorite films, we are given societies in societies and a degree of social stratification that acknowledges every relevant level of the milieu. The world of One Flew is at least as memorable as the story of its protagonist and that is a great and indeed rare achievement.

You say Nurse Ratched is just a cog in the machine but that argument didn't work too well for the Nazis during Nuremberg. And she's not supposed to act like a Nazi. She is supposed to be helping people. Instead, she is a monster who uses her power to channel her feelings of dominance and sadism. Some of the guards, as during the pool scene, are mean and corrupt as well. That Nurse Ratched is fairly universally hated by everyone is a remarkable achievement of the film in that its protagonist is so beloved.

I really don't want to discuss the Oscars much because they are basically irrelevant but One Flew was Nicholson's first truly loveable performance as a leading man and his death was as painful as any in film as far as I'm concerned; even with the coda of Chief's escape. I probably love Nicholson's Randall P. McMurphy more than any other character he incarnated. That doesn't mean its his best performance, but with Jack's all-time great charisma, it is saying a lot. I bet a lot of people loved Randall too. The Oscars are often as simple minded as Sally Field's line, "You like me".

I don't agree that Dog's Day had a better story but these things are largely subjective. I'll just finish off by praising the moment when Randall hesitates about whether to escape when he hears the commotion regarding Billy. When I re-watch the film and this moment arrives, I do something I almost never do, and plead with the character in my mind to just go out the window even though I know he is going to investigate and choke Nurse Ratched.

As for the Social Network. Forgetting Facebook, what I meant was more that if you are going to title a film "The Social Network" there is a more interesting story about its creation and evolution than a legal battle that only effected a few individuals who are already wealthy. The writer obviously disliked the real person and undermines the character and makes him both unsympathetic and unbelievable. The longing for the girl who rejected him is entirely made up and without basis and I, for one, didn't believe it for a second in the film before I found out it was a total fiction afterwards.

I'll admit the sequence in Ben Buttons is well edited from a technical standpoint but is it interesting? To me, it is sentimental and everything he is saying is so obvious and ordinary that the combined effect of images and voice over is too expository for my taste.

I think Fincher probably doesn't like the The Social Network that much and was distancing himself from it with the John Hughes remark. It is at least at odds with what I thought was his sensibility. Tarantino remarked on Charlie Rose, I believe, that Fincher requires someone to write him a story whereas Tarantino writes his own stuff.

So is your attack on Spielberg going to about his use of CGI?

BTW: Love, Blade II. What a ride.

Bernard Herrmann's score for "I Confess" makes me think of "The Shining" by kubrickslabin StanleyKubrick

[–]kubrickslab[S] 0 points1 point ago

I appreciate that you prefer Dog Day Afternoon but I prefer Cuckoo's Nest. Sonny was a more daring role and he probably had a little more weight in terms of carrying the whole film, but I find Cuckoo's to be a a great attack on society in general and the psychiatric hospitals in particular. McMurphy is not just a guy who pretends he is crazy by avoiding work but an incredibly charismatic and intelligent rebel who fits in better in a mental ward than he does in society. The dynamic between him and Nurse Ratched is rich enough and seethes with sexual tensions. And Nurse Ratched just might be the character I despise most in the history of cinema--I become enraged during many of her scenes. Finally, I think the situation and characters in Cuckoo's nest easier to empathize with.

I don't think "playing yourself" denotes any qualitative value either way. The greatest screen actors in my view are mostly actors like Cary Grant, James Stewart, Humphrey Bogart and the like. Part of the reason was that actors in those days got to become such polished stars by working so often and for studios that crafted the films to their iconic image. One Flew is a perfect role for Nicholson because it encompasses so many of his strengths that he can just be natural. I don't remember the percentage, but Nicholson once said something like, "I only take roles that are 75% or more like myself". I think there is an aspect in this of knowing your limitations and looking for something that fits who you really are. You probably know the story of Kubrick telling Modine that he just wanted him to be himself during Full Metal Jacket. In this way, a director can look at an actor like Nicholson in terms of how he can exploit his persona which is in line with Kubrick's reported thinking regarding the casting of Cruise and Kidman in Eyes Wide Shut.

I also can't agree with you about the inherent superiority of true stories or that deviating from a book is necessarily indicative of any flaw.

Quick take on the two Fincher films.

Social Network---The film's narrative centers on the least interesting aspects of the story that could be told about the phenomenon of Facebook and telescopes it down to a boring legal battle where the stakes are about which Harvard guys will come out the richest. It has pretensions of being a Citizen Kane kind of film and makes allusions but Rosebud in the Social Network is a girl who turned down the protagonist in college and it's not at all believable. The film ends on the false note of his longing for her when the real person would be working and partying hard. Kane died an old man and the Social Network wants that kind of of tone at the end but the character is way too young and no Hamlet. The whole thing came off as a nasty attack but it had no bite and was mired in cliches. I don't think the writer likes women and the scene where the girl burns the guys bed or something was almost entirely superfluous.

Benjamen Buttons--I don't understand how anyone can relate to the false premise of the film or its saccharine tone. I spent the whole film grunting, "who cares?"

Bernard Herrmann's score for "I Confess" makes me think of "The Shining" by kubrickslabin StanleyKubrick

[–]kubrickslab[S] 0 points1 point ago

My mother is a pro and I've done a few jobs and taken them seriously but my ex is just there for the day's pay. There were hundreds of extras and she felt like she could get away with it. Morgan Freeman, Jessie Eisenberg, Woody Harrelson and Ilsa Fisher are in the film but the shoot was total chaos and I imagine it will be bad.

Love the Nicholson films but I don't know why you have anything against Cuckoo's Nest which is easily one of the very best films the academy has ever bestowed awards on.

Also, Fincher should hear what I would say about "The Social Network". I've loved some of his films but I hated that one. Hated Ben Buttons too.

Bernard Herrmann's score for "I Confess" makes me think of "The Shining" by kubrickslabin StanleyKubrick

[–]kubrickslab[S] 0 points1 point ago

My grandfather died when I was two and I don't know what he specifically worked on. My mother has always been a struggling New York actress. She used to do a lot of theater but in terms of films, the highlights are all silent bits and the like. Some highlights: She played a disproving Amish woman on a train car in Sex and the City while Sarah Jessica Parker and one of the other girls talk about sex in front of her at a table. Benjamen Bratt mugged her in Pinero and Animal chased her out of an auditorium while screaming "woman" in "The Muppets Take Manhattan.

An ex-girlfriend recently worked as an extra on the set of "Now You Can See Me" and asked me to come keep her company and bring her a hoodie and they were shooting on the roof of the graffiti building in long island city. Graffiti Building

I walked into the building like I belonged and right onto the film set. For the rest of the night, we alternated being extras in scenes and sneaking off the set because she was too cold--she is the worst extra if that's possible. Also, we had great meals from the catering as we first ate non-union but then pretended to be SAG by just getting on line and made another plate--and I'm talking sirloins. However, a friend of hers asked us why we weren't a couple anymore and my ex got angry, starting listing all of her complaints with me and we would have had a bonafide screaming match on the set if I hadn't had the presence of mind to not allow it to happen by walking off the set and going home.

BTW: Bought myself the Blu Ray for Spartacus today. It's uncut and there are deleted scenes and interviews.

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[–]kubrickslab[S] 0 points1 point ago

My grandfather worked for Warner Bros as a props man and my mom is an actress so while I've been on films sets, I've never really been blown away by them. If anything, I was perfectly aware the films I've worked on were bad although I've never even watched a set of the quality and scope of The Dark Knight.

As for Batman.

My favorite is Max Shrek. "Bottom line, Selina Kyle tries to blackmail me and I'll drop her out of a higher window."

Each villain and hero is more demented than the next and Batman Returns is the freak show as blockbuster.

I was a huge fan of Heathers growing up so I was naturally excited when I learned Batman Returns was going to be scripted by Daniel Waters. Obviously, the film doesn't disappoint in the twisted one-liners department.

Bernard Herrmann's score for "I Confess" makes me think of "The Shining" by kubrickslabin StanleyKubrick

[–]kubrickslab[S] 0 points1 point ago

That's awesome.

Batman Returns is still my favorite superhero film.

Bernard Herrmann's score for "I Confess" makes me think of "The Shining" by kubrickslabin StanleyKubrick

[–]kubrickslab[S] 0 points1 point ago

Maybe in spots. I'm a huge fan of Elfman's scores but I don't feel like they create similar tones or feelings. Also, Herrmann is probably the best film composer ever.

Somewhat off topic, and I'm still wondering what you would say about Spielberg; I've been thinking that Spielberg could benefit from trying out a new composer, using recorded songs or not having music at all. John Williams is great but at this point he is like a crutch for Spielberg and brings out his worst tendencies.

It's a slippery slope though. When Hitchcock decided to not use a score Bernard Herrmann had already composed for Torn Curtain in order to be modern and jazzy, it coincided with Hitchcock's fall from absolute greatness. Torn Curtain and the three films that followed have their moments but none would approach any of Hitchcock's previous seven--or any of his couple dozen best in general. Letting go of Herrmann even seems like a mistake in the films he made and the score for Taxi Driver proved Herrmann could be modern and jazzy.

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