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b0red · 2012-05-25T16:46:28.904793+00:00

From now on whenever we see an attractive woman on the internet we will totally pretend that we don't have penises in order to make you feel more comfortable with yourself

homeboy5925 · 2012-05-25T16:43:42.040340+00:00

im sorry :(

homeboy5925 · 2012-05-25T16:41:46.194711+00:00

but what about all the hip hop that isn't played on the radio that attracts a white fan base? Are you saying that they are just fans of the genre and not the individual artists?

homeboy5925 · 2012-05-25T16:39:36.090322+00:00

Blues is the father of everything you just mentioned. I could've just said blues and covered all of my bases, my bad.

Disco was basically a mainstream pop version of soul/funk music, which are branches of blues and jazz. Once again, cut from the same cloth.

House music was technically born in Chicago, but Kraftwerk was making electronic music way before then.

homeboy5925 · 2012-05-25T16:26:48.788238+00:00

nice observations bro

homeboy5925 · 2012-05-25T16:25:30.129410+00:00

For the most part yes. The only guy I like out of the 3 you mentioned is Slug and even with him I only like Overcast and a couple of other songs. It's not that we dislike them because they are white, they are just lacking the thuggish bravado and "suck my dick im rich bitch" attitude that attracted us to rap in the first place.

b0red · 2012-05-25T16:21:52.098942+00:00

oh god guys like breasts call the cops

homeboy5925 · 2012-05-25T16:17:21.522042+00:00

underground shows are the cheapest shows there are yet they are all backpackers

homeboy5925 · 2012-05-25T16:16:10.874305+00:00

Lil B just went quantum up in this bitch

homeboy5925 · 2012-05-25T16:03:58.611125+00:00

and your point is? im not following your logic

homeboy5925 · 2012-05-25T15:59:08.428104+00:00

I'm not saying it's bad or anything quit being so defensive. Are we not allowed to even discuss race? Does it bother you too much? We can have a civil discussion about race without being racist; contrary to popular belief that is possible.

homeboy5925 · 2012-05-25T15:57:10.181593+00:00

There is utter respect for the skill, feats and viciousness of the successful fighter, but in the end- he is seen as a slave whose tamed aggressiveness doesn't threaten the viewer.

thats some deep shit bro. upvotes all day

homeboy5925 · 2012-05-25T15:55:50.808497+00:00

I hesitate to call Riff Raff a rapper

homeboy5925 · 2012-05-25T15:52:40.226768+00:00

I think you got the point of my "rant" a little mixed up. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with white people liking hip-hop; you guys are the fundamental backbone of the genre. You buy the albums, you go to the shows, you buy the merch, you support the artists. Anyone who would turn that away is retarded. I was simply trying to piece together how that all came to be. When I was growing up in the early 90's I never thought white people listened to hip-hop. I grew up in the hood so my exposure to white people at a young age was limited. I never saw white people on BET or in the videos or anything unless it was ironically. It never occurred to me that you guys were sneaking around turning on Rap City Tha Basement the same time I was watching it. It never occurred to me until I got older and realized you guys knew just as much about hip-hop as I did.

You made a lot of good points; it's very hard to not like hip-hop. But a lot of people find a way not to anyway. I know plenty of people who view hip hop as "just a bunch of black guys yelling." Even when I put them onto good shit, they still feel that way.

They suck, that's why. No one wants to make any decent production for them, they rap about boring garbage, have shitty tonality, flow, etc. When white rappers are "exceptionally talented" people like them. But that goes for anything. When something is mediocre people will listen and move on.

I wholeheartedly agree and get into arguments with backpackers on this subreddit every day because of it. I just didn't wanna come off as racist.

You also mentioned pop radio; in my experience, the most black people I've ever seen at a hip-hop concerts are those for radio guys. 2 Chainz, T.I., Gucci, Kanye all had many more black people than Odd Future or The Cool Kids or Dom Kennedy or anyone else who really doesn't get any radio play. Even guys who are straight up hood as fuck like A$AP Rocky have majority white crowds. The more underground the artist, the more white people at the shows. This is probably due to hipsters more so than white people at large.

homeboy5925 · 2012-05-25T15:43:36.147427+00:00

Pop radio is a genre within itself. The shit they play on the radio now is a mix up of hip-hop, RnB, and Techno. It's its own genre now. Rihanna's music could technically fit into every single one of those categories but it's actually just "pop." Pop takes whatever sounds are popular at the time and mashes them all together, regardless of whether they work well or not.

For example: Justin Bieber feat. Ludacris. Would you consider that "hip-hop?" By dictionary definition it is, but common sense would tell you that it's not. It's pop.

homeboy5925 · 2012-05-25T15:42:41.522217+00:00

good analysis would read again 10/10

homeboy5925 · 2012-05-25T15:41:34.695633+00:00

Everyone just wanted him to talk about bitches and cooking because that's what he got famous for. That's not so much white people fucking shit up as it is an artist having to deal with shedding his past image, which is ridiculously hard/next to impossible. No matter what Will Smith does he will always be the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.

homeboy5925 · 2012-05-25T15:39:13.689813+00:00

Not popular enough\good enough as an entertainment product to be marketed to a mainstream audience.

I think it's more so that they are in a completely different language.

Yeah? Never seen weaboos, have you? Never seen yoga instructors who change their names, behavior and clothes to sound esoteric and indian?

Weeaboos are a niche subculture. I was watching Anderson Cooper the other day and he said "Don't hate the player, hate the game" within the context of a sentence and everyone knew what he was talking about. Suburban white moms bought Watch The Throne. Snoop Dogg was on Martha Stewart. The merge is complete.

Latin ballroom was kind of huge in USSR. Still is in Russia.

I can't speak for Russia. Nobody can. It's Russia.

Arabs have a entertainment entity? What's there to imitate or adopt?

Don't tell me that M.I.A. "Bad Girls" video didn't go hard as fuck

homeboy5925 · 2012-05-25T15:35:26.374816+00:00

You can't hide your whiteness but you have to admit that all of those guys put a little bit of effort into making sure their delivery sounds "authentic." As a white rapper you have to ride a fine line between "backpacker" and "wigger" and it's really difficult

homeboy5925 · 2012-05-25T15:30:13.939846+00:00

It's good that you brought up jazz because that's probably the closest thing historically that we have to hip-hop. Jazz and hip-hop are the only genres of music born and raised in the United States; hip-hop is the logical successor of Jazz.

I think the biggest difference between Jazz and Hip-Hop is that Jazz doesn't rely on the visual aspect as much as hip-hop does. A white guy blowing a trumpet sounds exactly like a black guy blowing a trumpet. You can interchange whites and blacks into Jazz and the music will still sound the same. But since Hip-Hop is basically very personal storytelling, the person delivering the message is often times more important than the message itself. The rapper becomes a bigger attraction than the music. People like Lil B for everything except his music. I don't care how cool or flamboyant you are as a Jazz musician nobody is gonna give a shit if you suck. That's not the case in hip-hop; you can be complete ass but if you're "cool" people will still fuck with you.

homeboy5925 · 2012-05-25T15:27:17.457990+00:00

I thought El-P was black back in the Company Flow days. He's got a pretty aggressive flow.

homeboy5925 · 2012-05-25T15:26:47.182812+00:00

maybe im misunderstanding but how does that answer my question

please elaborate

homeboy5925 · 2012-05-25T15:09:08.901968+00:00

Then how come there aren't a bunch of white people at reggaeton shows? Salsa shows? Dancehall shows? Any other genre besides hip-hop that is based in a minority culture tends to have a majority of that culture as the fanbase. Not the case with hip-hop.

White people don't imitate asians, they don't imitate hispanics, they don't imitate arabs, only black people.

fila429 · 2012-05-25T14:14:33.589487+00:00

he still raps, he had somewhat of a comeback or something. i dont know. all i know is that "still tippin" is probably my favorite song of the 00's; paul wall's verse will go down with the greats

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