You were before your time, good friends.

KnifePartyLOL · 2012-05-25T15:24:55.656804+00:00

Saturn sucked.

It was huge, ugly, overpriced and had the wrong guts inside for where gaming was headed.

The Japanese controller was good though, although the US one changed the shoulder buttons and I didn't like those as well.

In the US at least, if Saturn hadn't come out months before PS1, they wouldn't have sold any at all. Not at that price and with the quality of graphics difference in Saturn games versus PS1 games.

deadpansnarker · 2012-05-25T14:48:48.645872+00:00

You don't know the new heads will treat her as just another writer on staff. And you don't even know if that would be a bad thing.

Jeez, why are people afraid to wait and find out information and instead just want to assert their assumptions as truth?

PrettyBoyFloyd · 2012-05-25T14:39:40.640609+00:00

every single car manufacturer in China, every single last one of them has seen sales go up thanks to the Chinese market

I guess you meant to say 'every single car manufacturer in the world'? Because Chinese car manufacturers in China obviously see their sales go up due to China because that's the market they primarily target.

You are underestimating the enormous growth of that market

No I'm not.

China is on its way to more cars than any country in history.

Quite possibly. Indeed the room to grow there is enormous.

For car companies China is a lifeline.

Nope. A huge source of income? Absolutely. But essential to survive? Not at this time.

If you are going to cut off trade with the Chinese the first people that are going to protest that move are the companies like Boeing and GM.

No, that's not true. The first to protest would be Wal-Mart (Target too). Boeing and GM only derive perhaps 30% of their income from trade with China. Wal-Mart derives well over 80% of their income from trade with China.

I know the companies would be pissed. But it's for the greater good. Even Boeing and GM aren't thinking long-term. Boeing has already worked on preliminary arrangements to make 737s in China. These were, of course, required by the Chinese government, who takes the long view as they have on other projects of buying products for a while, partnering to build products for a while and then taking the technology they've gained and ceasing to buy from the foreign partners and instead just having the internal companies build their products without the foreign partners.

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19940808&slug=1924382

The announcement didn't play well in Wichita, where about 4,000 machinists have been laid off.

"The company says they have to do this to get the China business, but to explain that to somebody who is on layoff and needs a job right now, I don't think you could ever do it," said Dale Moore, directing business representative for District 70 of the Machinists union in Wichita.

The reason China is interested in buying 737s, he said, "is because our people build the finest, and we would like for our people to do the sheet-metal work as they have done in the past. We think they should do it in the future."

So yeah, I know companies would be angry. But sometimes a group who looking at the long view instead of immediate profit needs to step in and cause some short-term pain for a better long-term gain. The Chinese government does it, why shouldn't we do it here?

DoublePlusGoodGames · 2012-05-25T06:32:46.920887+00:00

There's a YouTube process for correcting bullshit like this. Use it.

deadpansnarker · 2012-05-25T06:19:25.417250+00:00

I'm glad too. With the right writers we could still end up with something out of season 4. It won't be Harmon, but it could be worth watching.

Here's hoping.

AmericanDerp · 2012-05-25T02:37:56.045397+00:00

I disagree as to which is the bigger no-brainer. It's a private key. Don't send it out.

Keeping your CA private key encrypted is a good idea also.

PrettyBoyFloyd · 2012-05-25T02:36:37.112390+00:00

Now consider this. Do the Chinese lose more if GM doesn't sell cars in China or does GM lose more if they don't compete in the Chinese market against Audi, Volkswagon, BMW, Mercedes, Ford, Toyota, Honda and all the other car companies out there.

I don't care. It isn't about just GM. China doesn't apply the rules company by company. If they won't let GM (or another company) acces their markets fairly, we don't let them sell their stuff to the US market (through Wal-Mart, etc.).

The Chinese companies make tons of money accessing the US market. If we cannot access their markets fairly, we remove their fair acces to our market. You don't think they have anything to lose there? You don't the the US holds any cards?

You just don't see the big picture at all. It's not about GM. It's about fair access to markets. Fair trade means fair trade both ways.

krl1327 · 1 day

Your judgement on the ingredients is a judgement based upon feelings, nothing more. You don't know how the show will be with the new principals until you see it.

So it's more like Chick-Fil-A got a new CEO and the company told workers to stop saying the food got worse because of it when the food they are serving at the moment was made under the old CEO.

krl1327 · 1 day

He'll have trouble finding new roles if his potential future bosses see him treating his previous bosses poorly in the media.

His rap career is growing, but blowing up isn't really the case. Not yet at least.

krl1327 · 1 day

If you want to make an impact on them, better send them money instead of nothing. Because that's what they listen to.

And before you say "I'll deprive them of money by not watching", they just don't have much to lose on that front. The show was already getting awful ratings and has 1.5 feet in the grave already.

krl1327 · 1 day

The studios and exec producers paid for the show, it wouldn't be there without them. They have at least as much right to say who can run the show as Dan does.

You may not like this reality, but that's part of what comes with accepting funding for your project. It started out Harmon's and it became shared when he had to take something else of value from someone else to make it happen.

krl1327 · 1 day

You could already see it in the tweets from the cast members. For example, didn't Donald Glover give two almost back to back tweets, one frantic and one of the form recommended?

I will mention it again, Hollywood is a small town. If you make yourself difficult to work with, you will find that others do their best to not work with you. If you make yourself easy to work with you will find others go out of their way to work with you.

This goes for Harmon and it also goes for the cast. The cast surely wants to work more in the future so they may wish to consider taking any advice they get from PR agents on how to be someone whom others want to work with in the future.

You get more flies with honey than vinegar. This isn't creepy. It isn't insidious. It's just plain life.

krl1327 · 1 day

This is the pragmatism I'm defending and I'm still defending it.

Sony wanting to control the message about Community is no creepier than the people on this board wanting to control the message about Community.

AmericanDerp · 1 day

I think there are still some trade secrets they could learn from RIM and HP to help them slide further into irrelevance.

AmericanDerp · 1 day

It should never have been stored in this location at all. The combination of a private key and cert lets you authenticate content originates from a certain place. In order for this to work, you mustn't give the private key to anyone you don't want to be able to originate content.

AmericanDerp · 1 day

The headline is "anyone can sign extensions as them now". When you rail against the implication that you can spoof *.yahoo.com domains, you're just railing against your own strawman.

Also, what's a "private certificate"?

PrettyBoyFloyd · 1 day

Where does that come from? My post is 3/4 about saying I'm going to give a creative work a chance and 1/4 responding to a hypothetical you made up.

Which part of that shows I don't understand how creative work is done?

PrettyBoyFloyd · 1 day

That's all great. But it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if you think it won't change.

It's not a matter of economists. It's a matter of governments. Chinese companies can hire agents to lobby our government to get their interests represented. Sometimes they don't even have to, Wal-Mart will work to insure they can import goods from China with no tariffs without Chinese companies even paying them to do it.

However, the reverse is rarely true. Their Federal government is difficult to lobby and truth be told is somewhat ineffective. Their local governments cannot be lobbied and disregard outside interests, they basically represent only Chinese. In the few cases where US companies can make their interests made then there can be some liberalization of trade, like the raising of the ridiculous cap on number of US films screened per year from 15 to 24.

Now, you may even say, hey, their government is doing a good job looking out for them. If they cannot be lobbied by outside sources, maybe they're working for their own people. Hey, that's fine, I understand that too. That's their own choice, I can't tell them not to make it. All I'm saying is that if their government is going to hurt our interests in favor of theirs, then ours should do the same and hurt their interests in the US in favor of our own.

The truth is due to how business works the person with the money holds all the chips. Welcome to reality. This is the way it is and this is the way it's going to stay.

quoted.

And here's the thing, who holds the chips? The Chinese companies that you say have all the money and thus run the show, if they hold all the chips, why are they at all interested in the US market? Because the make a lot of money in the US market. So you can say the Chinese companies hold the chips, but that's not really true. We're giving them access to our market to make their money, that's the real power and all I'm saying is we should use it to make sure we have equal opportunity.

In an equal system, they still would do very well. They have so many people and so many smart people running their companies very efficiently. Moving forward, I'm sure the level of innovation in China will also increase greatly (they have a long history of it) and so they're going be a huge force no matter what. But that doesn't mean we should be giving them trade advantages. It doesn't mean we should put up with currency manipulation. We shouldn't be giving anything away.

silence_hr · 1 day

What's with the blogspam?

The Verge reports it, so reddit votes up a link to another blog instead?

There's so little actual journalism going on lately, would it kill us to support those who bring us info when it does happen?

gonzowisdom · 1 day

The Chevy feud is part and parcel of the cause. When you exhort the cast to say "Fuck you, Chevy" you are being bad at the business and management side of the show.

In Hollywood, you may resent the talent, they may be assholes, but you don't denigrate them. It's not going to do well for you in the long run.

Again, when Dan Harmon tries to tell you what is and isn't the cause of his firing, why are you taking him seriously? Go to the source. He says the Chevy feud wasn't it? How would he know? He acknowledges they didn't talk to him for months before he was replaced. Hwo does he know what they are thinking?

PrettyBoyFloyd · 1 day

First, it's not GM Shanghai. It's Shanghai GM.

After that they finally got the high margin Cadillac sales up as well which prompted them to announce they were going to build Cadillacs in China.

GM isn't building Cadillacs in China, Shanghai GM is building them. See how your press release mentioning GM is going to build them with SAIC. Know what GM + SAIC is? Shanghai GM.

You're just insane here. You've got a huge pile of googled links, but you don't even understand them. You poop on Shanghai GM, then inadvertently link to their success and call it by another name. You link to a Ford press release speaking of increased sales China and character it as a huge surge in worldwide sales. Of course, those sales aren't to Ford directly, they are to Changhan Ford Mazda Automobile (CFMA), which Ford owns only 35% of. They got a worse deal than GM did!

You link to a educational initiative and speak of it like it's business!

You think there is plenty of investment funny floating around at the moment? Share your secrets with me because that load of money isn't going through the banks at the moment, it's nearly impossible to do any business at all in this economy. If you have the money you get to do as you please, thats how desperate times are.

What? This isn't 2 years ago. There is money to loan. Maybe you can't get it, with your business acumen, I wouldn't be shocked.

Ford and GM are taking jobs away from the US and taking their operations to China because their sales are rising literally year on year while falling in the US.

Indeed sales are rising in China. They are rising in the US though, not falling, but they aren't rising nearly as fast nor do they have as much room to grow in the US.

The US on the other hand is willing to resort to any tactic to get any money into the economy at all.

You must be thinking of some other country. Maybe you're thinking of Europe and their austerity measures? The US has a stimulus (spending) program going on, it's leading to investment and moderate growth and now the G8 is singing the same tune.

None of this, none of it amounts to any reason as to why we should give Chinese more access to our markets than we get to theirs. If forcing partnerships is good for them, we should do it too. If they tariff our cars to force our companies to build in their country, then we should do the same. Coda motors wants to sell cars here? They can build them here

We shouldn't be placing ourselves in the position to be victims. China makes a lot of money selling goods to the US market, if we can't do the same, we should respond in kind.

DivineJustice · 1 day

Sony didn't say anything about Dan Harmon in their press release. They announced their new lineup. Dan Harmon's contract was up, he knew it, they announced they put someone else on. It's not like breaking up with your girlfriend.

Yes, they don't respect him it seems. It's not like Harmon shows any respect either, so no love lost there.

I don't care how difficult he was to work with, or what bump Sony thought they could get out of mainstreaming Community (read: none) - you don't do that to a person. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy, let alone a creator whose product I loved, and loved him for bringing it into the world. Thank you, Dan.

Don't do that to a person? It's business. And yeah, I'd do it to my worst enemy easily. He owns 10% of the damn show. For a guy who didn't front the money, that's not bad. I never got 10% of the stuff I created.

gonzowisdom · 2 days

I wish more people would try to get some perspective.

First, you have a guy who was fired trying to say it isn't his fault. This is very common, but it doesn't necessarily make it true.

Second, remember when Harmon bitched about NBC speaking for him, they aren't experts on Dan Harmon's feelings? By the same token, why would we take what Dan Harmon is saying about someone else's motives seriously?

You're getting all wrapped up in this and looking at only one side and assuming you know the complete picture.

rlogazino · 2 days

It's not there because Sony Pictures TV doesn't put its shows there. The other shows you talk about are produced by NBC, Community isn't.

iamlouie · 2 days

I think it's interesting that people see hard job conditions and then don't stop to consider what else these people would be doing for money if not working there. It isn't a choice between surfing and working, it's working in place A or B, because people do need money.

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