How i feel as a Swede about gay marriage

Blackmatrix · 2012-05-24T16:32:03.307316+00:00

As an american, I feel the exact same way... just more often.

Suriv_Dnim · 2012-05-24T16:01:29.280726+00:00

I bet people have been saying that with every major innovation. The first America's cup was won by a boat that looks like this

JormaSchmorma · 1 day

It would be hilarious if you actually attended, while pretending to indeed hold the bible's view on homosexuality: that all gay people should by bludgeoned to death with rocks.

This might backfire, if they actually agree with the bible, but chances are they are decent human beings who will have no problem arguing against their holy book when faced with someone who takes it even more literally than them. You could effectively shift the argument towards whether the bible has anything relevant to say on the subject at all. After all, if we're going against God's word by letting them continue breathing, why stop them from getting a civil wedding?

okpok · 6 days

Not to mention they were trained to respond to smells, they can be trained to respond to any other cue as well.

Pirateer · 6 days

Cause for termination... maybe. Would he actually have gone through with firing an employee over a sticker.... probably not.

pseudonym1066 · 6 days

God hates religion?

Pirateer · 7 days

Ultimately, I believe, that descretion lies with the employer. But if they are violating your rights (via discriminitation), you are entitled to sue them, at which point the courts would not be deciding whether anything was offensive or not, but whether the employer was consistant in their definition of "offensive" in regards to the enforcement of the rule. And/or whether they had the right to even ask them to remove the sticker in the first place. Basically whether the policy was disclosed to the employee, or if it was even a policy to begin with.

Full disclosure: I'm not a lawyer, but I work in the legal sector so I have a bit more exposure to this stuff than the average American.

Pirateer · 7 days

We do have freedom of speech, which means that the government can't stop you from doing saying whatever you want. (apart from inciting violence or making threats or stuff like that.)

We also have the right to run our businesses as we see fit, this means we can make up whatever ridiculous rules we want for our employees, as long as they the rules apply equally to everyone. As long as the employer asks people to remove any stickers that any employee finds offensive, they are not discriminating against any specific group.

In other words, freedom of speech means that we are free from government control over what we say, our speech may have other social ramifications though.

Hope that helps clear things up.

CapnTyinKnots · 7 days

I agree, it really pulled the post together. What we have here is a beautifully written, respectful response to a bigot. It obviously had a lot of thought put into it, and raised a lot of good points. I would be surprised if it didn't at least make him reconsider his position. His position is not likely to change, but that's not the point. We debate, not for our opponents, but for the audience. And then at the end of it we even get an accidental punchline, leaving me with a smile. I guess what I'm saying is: "A+++++ Would repost AGAIN!"

benniaustindev · 7 days

It's cool. I was being crabby. Have some upvotes.

benniaustindev · 8 days

Well, I never actually said that YOU specifically were convinced by anything, so I really don't see how I was wrong at all. My assertion was that i'm not alone. Clearly i'm not.

DragonShiryu2 · 8 days

That's a pretty broad generalization. Certainly there must be mountains of people who were and are being convinced by facts and reasoning.

This defeatist attitude gets us nowhere.

intripletime · 9 days

I'm just saying you don't have to agree with someone to support them.

Personally, I'm not one of these people, and could give a fuck less if people thought I was gay.

intripletime · 9 days

There are plenty of people who aren't ok with with gays, but think they deserve rights.

I've heard something like "Personally I think it's wrong and immoral and disgusting.... and none of my business", come out of libertarians before. I have definitely met people who thought it was not at all ok to be gay, but realized that that was their own opinion, and that you shouldn't deny rights to others for it.

This technique might work on them.

intripletime · 9 days

And I would proudly have said that I love all of my fellow men, as Jesus commanded, right before getting my nigger loving ass kicked.

intripletime · 9 days

They are actually outlining a weakness in their argument by staying that they can't tell if someone is gay. Going with the original analogy, the question would not need to be asked because you can obviously tell when someone is black (almost always). Gays are a little different. Few are very obvious, but most of them are just normal average everyday people who don't look any different from any straight person. They don't act different, they don't talk different or walk different. They hold normal jobs, raise normal kids and have have normal healthy relationships.

Were it not for the physical differences between people of African decent, and people of European decent there would be no way of knowing, because there aren't any actual real differences, other than the aforementioned visual one.

The reason you can't tell when people are gay is because there isn't anything different about them, meaning there isn't anything wrong with them either.

NastyGrandma · 9 days

I think it was a joke. Many Christians have nothing better to do with their time than make up stories.

NastyGrandma · 9 days

The cynic in my would just like to point out that he admitted to pretending to be religious, because religious people eat that shit up. After you told him you were an atheist, he said he was too. Later, you offered him a ride, and offered to come back next week and give him more food.

Just sayin'

(I'm having a shitty day though, and am probably just being overly cynical)

Groden · 10 days

You don't just outlaw something because some, or even most, people are fucking it up. Regulation > prohibition.

I mean, how would you like it if people told you that you couldn't smoke pot because some people can't handle their shit.

hbarovertwo · 14 days

I would be willing to stake all of my M&Ms that you have indeed met a Gay person. Most of them are just normal average people. As a matter of fact, when I learned that most of the gay people I do know are gay... I honestly had no idea. On the other hand, I do have a few gay friends with a certain affinity for spandex and half-shirts, but most people are more... average.

I don't know what the statistics are like in the UK, but 16%-20% of people in the US are gay (and willing to admit it). It just seems to me that you have most certainly met some gay people, unless you're a hermit or something.

GI_Jew · 14 days

Buy the kid a juice box.

magadget · 15 days

Wait just a minute, how can I get some more information on this free education? My family moved out of Germany when I was a toddler and I still retain my German citizenship, although I haven't exactly been a taxpayer. I would love to know if I qualify.

Might make it worth the move back there for a few years. Who knows, I might end up staying.

relativityguru · 16 days

I makes perfect sense to me, Clearly Goodnight Moon is more reliable than the cat in the hat.

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