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As tensions rise, Iranians fear that they're on the road to war with U.S. by imatworkprobablyin worldnews

[–]BLG432 3 points4 points ago

Israel

Yep. Just put it in your time line. Just like you agreed to a long time ago, then went back on that.

Think of the top 5 reasons you would give Obama for sanctions on Iran.

Look at this post. Theres more links in it. I'm not putting all the HTML reddit code into it.

Thats why there was such a push by congress for the EU to implement the embargo. They want China, Russia and India, but its not going to have a lot of teeth if they don't join. Instead, China and others will get cheaper oil while the west pays for an expensive military exercise.

These sanctions have been pushed by AIPAC lobbyists for years. AIPAC has put considerable pressure on lawmakers, especially those facing re-election next year

J Street has a dependable cadre of 40-50 members of the U.S. House of Representatives ready to heed its voting recommendations. Congressional insiders say J Street's green light in December for Iran sanctions nudged the bill from the super majority that traditional lobbying by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee usually turns out to officially "overwhelming": 412-12. That sent the Obama administration a clear message to hurry it on up, the insiders say. JTA

Menendez said their opposition undermined a compromise he struck with Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) on legislation that was eventually passed in the Senate by a vote of 100-0.The White House countered that the Kirk-Menendez amendment could actually help the Iranian economy if foreign banks resisted American unilateral efforts.This week Menendez stood by his approach on sanctions, which he developed in consultation with the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. NJJewishNews

As tensions rise, Iranians fear that they're on the road to war with U.S. by imatworkprobablyin worldnews

[–]BLG432 6 points7 points ago*

We had this whole discussion on how you would fix this timeline.

Posted again


You are leaving out huge swaths of Israeli or pro Israeli portions of your timeline, from the pro-Israeli push of Iranian sanctions to the Israel switch on Iran after the first gulf war. See below where Israel was pushing the US to be friendlier on iran during the 1980's, then flipped in the 1990's. Also, see the information below on the sanctions.

You have been told how you are misreading a 1955 document and how these policies dont work in the current oil markets, or how Brzezinski goes against this idea of control.

Your biggest problem is noticing this, in the appropriately named Oil industry sees China winning, West losing from Iran sanctions, ""What we say is that oil is fungible. Iranian oil will still find its way into the market, to Asian markets, China and possibly at a lower price," a top Saudi source told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter."
In other words, the concept of controlling where the oil goes, like a selective embargo to a country like China, doesnt work. Plus, you admittedly didn't even know what the word fungible meant, one of the key concepts in understanding the global oil market. (context) You can try to shut down Iran from exporting, but All the big players are going to have to get on board for it to really work. By the way, heres part of the reason why the EU went on board.

Ok, lets go on, first, to the problem behind your statement "2003-9 Israel calls for Iran to be bombed, launches practice raids," and how it leaves out the Israelis.

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1992 Israeli Warns of Iran

1992 Israeli major urges strike against Iran

1993 ISRAEL WORKS TO STOP IRAN’S NUCLEAR PLANS

1993 Israel Seeking to Convince U.S. That West Is Threatened by Iran; Jewish Leaders Say Only Washington Capable of Restraining Tehran

1994 Israel Pushing Curbs on Iran: Says Mullahs' Nuclear Threat Has Grown

1995 Netanyahu: Iran is real nuclear threat

"Within three to five years, we can assume that Iran will become autonomous in its ability to develop and produce a nuclear bomb, without having to import either the technology or the material," Netanyahu said. "[The nuclear threat] must be uprooted by an international front headed by the US. It necessitates economic sanctions on Iran."

1995 The reassessment of Iran's nuclear potential is now described by Israeli officials as the most serious threat facing their country.

1996 “On February 15, 1996, Israeli Foreign Minister Ehud Barak told members of the UN Security Council that Iran would be able to produce nuclear weapons within eight years.”

1996 Shimon Peres “Iran is the center of terrorism, fundamentalism and subversion and is in my view more dangerous than Nazism, because Hitler did not possess a nuclear bomb, whereas the Iranians are trying to perfect a nuclear option.”

1997 "They are going to make it in the end," a senior Israeli intelligence official said, "but it will be the middle of the next decade." The delay, the result in part of U.S. pressure on Iran's nuclear suppliers, could ease international concern that Israel will follow through on threats to attack Iran's nuclear sites. Iran denies it is developing nuclear arms.

1997 Netanyahu "Iran is on the verge of becoming a fundamentalist world power," Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned this week. "Its efforts to procure weapons of mass destruction and long-range delivery systems may be the most dangerous development in the 21st century." Edit:


Now, this wasn't always the issue. In fact, Israel notably tried to push the US for friendlier relations on Israel before the 1991 invasion of Iraq.

1987 ISRAEL REPORTEDLY PERSUADED U.S. TO RESUME IRAN ARMS SHIPMENTS

A report by the Senate Intelligence Committee indicates that Israel played the central role in persuading the White House to resume arms shipments to Iran in January 1986 by assuring Washington that Teheran had promised to arrange the immediate release of American hostages in Lebanon, a senior White House aide said tonight.

1989 Israel-Iran Oil Deal Disclosed and Tied to Captives

More on this

Heres a relevant repost


Devil's Game: How the United States Helped Unleash Fundamentalist Islam(297)

Within the Reagan administration, a small clique of conservatives, and neoconservatives, were most intimately involved in the Iran-contra initiative, especially those U.S. officials and consultants who were closest to the Israeli military and intelligence establishment

Treacherous alliance: the secret dealings of Israel, Iran, and the United States (110)

The world was a different place in 1983 than it is today. As a special envoy of president Ronald Reagan, Donald Rumsfeld was courting Saddam Hussein in Baghdad; Israel was lobbying Washington not to pay attention to Tehran's calls for the destruction of the Jewish State; neoconservatives were masterminding a rapprochement with Khomeini’s government; and iran- not the US - was considered out of touch with reality for fantasizing about a rising Shia Crescent.


An interesting neoconservative here is Leeden. He flipped hard on Iran once Israeli policy turned to antagonistic. Here's his positions before the first gulf war.

1987 NYT

Secretary of State Shultz learned of Ledeen's activities and, in a message date 5 June, complained to McFarlane that Ledeen's contact with Israel had bypassed the Department of State. Shultz noted that Israel's agenda regarding Iran ''is not the same as ours'' and that an intelligence relationship with Israel concerning Iran ''could seriously skew our own perception and analysis of the Iranian scene.'' He added that we ''are interested to know what Israel thinks about Iran, but we should treat it as having a bias built in,''

Ledeen 1988

The United States, which should have been exploring improved relations with Iran before Iran's acceptance of the United Nations-sponsored cease-fire, should now seize the opportunity to do so. . . The Iranian advocates of a war to the death against Iraq have been discredited by Iraqi battlefield victories, by the recent military successes of the Iraq-supported anti-Khomeini Iranian fighters and by the humiliation inflicted on Iran by the American military in the Persian Gulf


Heres a little bit on the sanctions, and on how you omit the Israeli and pro-Israeli elements of these sanctions.

The politics of sanctions against Iran 1979-2000's. How US companies won, then lost their position to AIPAC (PDF)

and some more

How Iranian nuclear scientist's assassination will affect Tehran's strategy: In Iran's eyes, the assassination of another Iranian nuclear scientist is proof that the West's carrot-and-stick policy has become solely punitive – giving Tehran little reason to compromise. by davidreiss666in worldnews

[–]BLG432 0 points1 point ago

Foreign Policy

A series of CIA memos describes how Israeli Mossad agents posed as American spies to recruit members of the terrorist organization Jundallah to fight their covert war against Iran.

What has become crystal clear, however, is the level of anger among senior intelligence officials about Israel's actions. "This was stupid and dangerous," the intelligence official who first told me about the operation said. "Israel is supposed to be working with us, not against us. If they want to shed blood, it would help a lot if it was their blood and not ours. You know, they're supposed to be a strategic asset. Well, guess what? There are a lot of people now, important people, who just don't think that's true."

In a blunt warning amid an escalating crisis, the Harper government declared Friday that Canada stands ready to join with other nations in preventing Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon. by davidreiss666in worldnews

[–]BLG432 0 points1 point ago

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We had this whole discussion on how you would fix this timeline.

Posted again


Might want to add in that timeline things like

  • 1993-2009 Israel calls for Iran to be bombed.

1993 Israel Seeking to Convince U.S. That West Is Threatened by Iran; Jewish Leaders Say Only Washington Capable of Restraining Tehran

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1987 ISRAEL REPORTEDLY PERSUADED U.S. TO RESUME IRAN ARMS SHIPMENTS

A report by the Senate Intelligence Committee indicates that Israel played the central role in persuading the White House to resume arms shipments to Iran in January 1986 by assuring Washington that Teheran had promised to arrange the immediate release of American hostages in Lebanon, a senior White House aide said tonight.

1989 Israel-Iran Oil Deal Disclosed and Tied to Captives


The politics of sanctions against Iran 1979-2000's. How US companies won, then lost their position to AIPAC (PDF)

Israeli 180 after first gulf invasion.


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1992 Israeli Warns of Iran

1992 Israeli major urges strike against Iran

1993 ISRAEL WORKS TO STOP IRAN’S NUCLEAR PLANS

1995 Netanyahu: Iran is real nuclear threat

"Within three to five years, we can assume that Iran will become autonomous in its ability to develop and produce a nuclear bomb, without having to import either the technology or the material," Netanyahu said. "[The nuclear threat] must be uprooted by an international front headed by the US. It necessitates economic sanctions on Iran."

Edit:

A few years before this

1987 ISRAEL REPORTEDLY PERSUADED U.S. TO RESUME IRAN ARMS SHIPMENTS

A report by the Senate Intelligence Committee indicates that Israel played the central role in persuading the White House to resume arms shipments to Iran in January 1986 by assuring Washington that Teheran had promised to arrange the immediate release of American hostages in Lebanon, a senior White House aide said tonight.

1989 Israel-Iran Oil Deal Disclosed and Tied to Captives


The politics of sanctions against Iran 1979-2000's. How US companies won, then lost their position to AIPAC (PDF)

and some more

and some more

Add in Netanyahus end around through congress, etc.

Israel PM Benjamin Netanyahu Considers Pre-Emptive Attack On Iran To Prevent Nuclear Capability | World News | Sky News by Blarveyin worldnews

[–]BLG432 1 point2 points ago

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If you do a Google search on [Israel attack iran 2003], you'll find plenty of stories from about how an attack on Iran by Israel was imminent.

1992

Israel test fires missile; Iran in crosshairs by LongJohnSilversin worldnews

[–]BLG432 3 points4 points ago*

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FYI: Israel was trying to push the US towards a sort of rapproachment with Iran before the first Gulf War. When Iraq was weakened, this stopped. Then came a series of pronouncements of an Iranian nuclear threat.

1987 ISRAEL REPORTEDLY PERSUADED U.S. TO RESUME IRAN ARMS SHIPMENTS

A report by the Senate Intelligence Committee indicates that Israel played the central role in persuading the White House to resume arms shipments to Iran in January 1986 by assuring Washington that Teheran had promised to arrange the immediate release of American hostages in Lebanon, a senior White House aide said tonight.

1989 Israel-Iran Oil Deal Disclosed and Tied to Captives


The politics of sanctions against Iran 1979-2000's. How US companies won, then lost their position to AIPAC (PDF)

Israeli turn after first gulf war.


1992 Israeli Warns of Iran

1992 Israeli major urges strike against Iran

1993 ISRAEL WORKS TO STOP IRAN’S NUCLEAR PLANS

1995 Netanyahu: Iran is real nuclear threat

"Within three to five years, we can assume that Iran will become autonomous in its ability to develop and produce a nuclear bomb, without having to import either the technology or the material," Netanyahu said. "[The nuclear threat] must be uprooted by an international front headed by the US. It necessitates economic sanctions on Iran."

A Jew Of No Religion --- Yoram Kaniuk, novelist, 81, wins court victory in Israel. He can be Jewish by nationality, but an atheist by religion. Sounds like progress. But raises new questions about church and state relations, and what it means to be Jewish by DrRichardCraniumin worldnews

[–]BLG432 1 point2 points ago

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For nationality purposes, and, as wq678 pointed out, for the "Some 30 laws in Israel specifically privilege Jews, including in the areas of immigration rights, naturalization, access to land and employment," it matters.

How Israel breaks up citizenship and nationality in two different categories is confusing to many westerners who do not make that distinction. It is misleading to make this break. Its also incorrect when you say:

JEWISH IS NOT A NATIONLITY.

My ID Says ***** in nationality.*

The card does make that distinction. It is a nationality, and there are distinct legal differences.

A Jew Of No Religion --- Yoram Kaniuk, novelist, 81, wins court victory in Israel. He can be Jewish by nationality, but an atheist by religion. Sounds like progress. But raises new questions about church and state relations, and what it means to be Jewish by DrRichardCraniumin worldnews

[–]BLG432 2 points3 points ago*

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As I said, they changed it a few years ago.

Its not as you said. Posted quote for full context.

And in Israel, our nationality is written ***, *not Jewish. The government changed it a few years ago. I can show you a picture of my ID tomorrow when I'm home.

The card differentiates between Jewish and non-Jewish..

Edit: - Furthermore, here you say My ID Says **** in nationality. Not Jewish. They changed it a few decades ago.* Years, Decades. Saying your ID says not Jewish, but still says whether you are Jewish or not.

US Officials concede gaps in U.S. knowledge of Iran plot | Reuters by Bout_It_Bout_Itin worldnews

[–]BLG432 6 points7 points ago*

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We had this whole discussion on how you would fix this timeline.


Might want to add in that timeline things like

  • 1993-2009 Israel calls for Iran to be bombed.

1993 Israel Seeking to Convince U.S. That West Is Threatened by Iran; Jewish Leaders Say Only Washington Capable of Restraining Tehran

more

1987 ISRAEL REPORTEDLY PERSUADED U.S. TO RESUME IRAN ARMS SHIPMENTS

A report by the Senate Intelligence Committee indicates that Israel played the central role in persuading the White House to resume arms shipments to Iran in January 1986 by assuring Washington that Teheran had promised to arrange the immediate release of American hostages in Lebanon, a senior White House aide said tonight.

1989 Israel-Iran Oil Deal Disclosed and Tied to Captives


The politics of sanctions against Iran 1979-2000's. How US companies won, then lost their position to AIPAC (PDF)

Israeli 180 after first gulf invasion.


more

1992 Israeli Warns of Iran

1992 Israeli major urges strike against Iran

1993 ISRAEL WORKS TO STOP IRAN’S NUCLEAR PLANS

1995 Netanyahu: Iran is real nuclear threat

"Within three to five years, we can assume that Iran will become autonomous in its ability to develop and produce a nuclear bomb, without having to import either the technology or the material," Netanyahu said. "[The nuclear threat] must be uprooted by an international front headed by the US. It necessitates economic sanctions on Iran."

Edit:

A few years before this

1987 ISRAEL REPORTEDLY PERSUADED U.S. TO RESUME IRAN ARMS SHIPMENTS

A report by the Senate Intelligence Committee indicates that Israel played the central role in persuading the White House to resume arms shipments to Iran in January 1986 by assuring Washington that Teheran had promised to arrange the immediate release of American hostages in Lebanon, a senior White House aide said tonight.

1989 Israel-Iran Oil Deal Disclosed and Tied to Captives


The politics of sanctions against Iran 1979-2000's. How US companies won, then lost their position to AIPAC (PDF)

and some more

and some more

Add in Netanyahus end around through congress, etc.

Palestinian foreign minister says he was "amazed" by US efforts to persuade other countries not to support the membership effort by Black_Irishin worldnews

[–]BLG432 6 points7 points ago

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Washington Post JERUSALEM, Oct. 6 -- A senior aide to the Israeli prime minister, Ariel Sharon, said in an interview published Wednesday that Sharon's plan to withdraw troops and Jewish settlers from the Gaza Strip had "frozen" the Israeli-Palestinian peace process and guaranteed that Israel would never have to remove 80 percent of its settlers from the occupied West Bank, with the "blessing" of the U.S. government.

The aide, Dov Weisglass -- until recently Sharon's chief of staff, his personal attorney and still one of his closest advisers -- said the primary goals of the proposal to withdraw the 8,100 Jewish settlers from Gaza were to strengthen Israel's hold on its more numerous settlements in the West Bank and to freeze the political process as a way to indefinitely block the creation of a Palestinian state.

"What I effectively agreed to with the Americans was that part of the settlements would not be dealt with at all, and the rest will not be dealt with until the Palestinians turn into Finns," Weisglass said in an interview with the daily Haaretz newspaper. Under that formula, he estimated that "out of 240,000 settlers [in the West Bank], 190,000 will not be moved from their place."

Weisglass, who has been Sharon's point man in talks with the Bush administration, said the U.S.-backed peace plan called the "road map" is dead. The plan calls for the creation of an independent Palestinian state by the end of next year and is a cornerstone of President Bush's Middle East policy.

The disengagement plan "supplies the amount of formaldehyde that is necessary so there will not be a political process with the Palestinians," Weisglass said.

As a result, he said, "you prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state, and you prevent a discussion on the refugees, the borders and Jerusalem."

Palestinian foreign minister says he was "amazed" by US efforts to persuade other countries not to support the membership effort by Black_Irishin worldnews

[–]BLG432 5 points6 points ago

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Google the list above. See which ones were "pre-emptive" and a result of unilateral action.

Palestinian foreign minister says he was "amazed" by US efforts to persuade other countries not to support the membership effort by Black_Irishin worldnews

[–]BLG432 4 points5 points ago*

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Eisenhower forced Israel out of the Sinai. Gaza pullout was done to consolidate the West Bank expansion.


Edit:

Ahh. Downvoters

Washington Post JERUSALEM, Oct. 6 -- A senior aide to the Israeli prime minister, Ariel Sharon, said in an interview published Wednesday that Sharon's plan to withdraw troops and Jewish settlers from the Gaza Strip had "frozen" the Israeli-Palestinian peace process and guaranteed that Israel would never have to remove 80 percent of its settlers from the occupied West Bank, with the "blessing" of the U.S. government.

The aide, Dov Weisglass -- until recently Sharon's chief of staff, his personal attorney and still one of his closest advisers -- said the primary goals of the proposal to withdraw the 8,100 Jewish settlers from Gaza were to strengthen Israel's hold on its more numerous settlements in the West Bank and to freeze the political process as a way to indefinitely block the creation of a Palestinian state.

"What I effectively agreed to with the Americans was that part of the settlements would not be dealt with at all, and the rest will not be dealt with until the Palestinians turn into Finns," Weisglass said in an interview with the daily Haaretz newspaper. Under that formula, he estimated that "out of 240,000 settlers [in the West Bank], 190,000 will not be moved from their place."

Weisglass, who has been Sharon's point man in talks with the Bush administration, said the U.S.-backed peace plan called the "road map" is dead. The plan calls for the creation of an independent Palestinian state by the end of next year and is a cornerstone of President Bush's Middle East policy.

The disengagement plan "supplies the amount of formaldehyde that is necessary so there will not be a political process with the Palestinians," Weisglass said.

As a result, he said, "you prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state, and you prevent a discussion on the refugees, the borders and Jerusalem."


President Eisenhower was upset by the fact that Israel, France and Great Britain had secretly planned the campaign to evict Egypt from the Suez Canal. Israel's failure to inform the United States of its intentions, combined with ignoring American entreaties not to go to war, sparked tensions between the countries. The United States subsequently joined the Soviet Union (ironically, just after the Soviets invaded Hungary) in a campaign to force Israel to withdraw. This included a threat to discontinue all U.S. assistance, UN sanctions and expulsion from the UN (see exchanges between Ben-Gurion and Eisenhower).

U.S. pressure resulted in an Israeli withdrawal from the areas it conquered without obtaining any concessions from the Egyptians.

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Palestinian foreign minister says he was "amazed" by US efforts to persuade other countries not to support the membership effort by Black_Irishin worldnews

[–]BLG432 2 points3 points ago

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Israel has never attacked a country for the US.

US support for Israel unifies a region thats easily divided and conquered against the US

The US has had to expend resources to protect it.

Tom Friedman in NY Times: the US government is Israel's "hostage" and "the powerful pro-Israel lobby can force the administration to defend Israel" by FBernadottein politics

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pt 2

*My main issue with The Israel Lobby is that they a) poorly outline who the lobby is and b) exaggerate AIPAC's influence in the lead up to the Iraq War. As far as (a) is concerned, I do not believe they projected some Jewish conspiracy like Martin Indyk, Dennis Ross, and others have claimed. *

You read the book wrong.

Professor Mearsheimer and I made it clear in our article and especially in our book that the idea of invading Iraq originated in the United States with the neoconservatives, and not with the Israeli government. But as the neoconservative pundit Max Boot once put it, steadfast support for Israel is "a key tenet of neoconservatism." Prominent neo-conservatives occupied important positions in the Bush administration, and in the aftermath of 9/11, they played a major role in persuading Bush and Cheney to back a war against Iraq, which they had been advocating since the late 1990s. We also pointed out that Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and other Israeli officials were initially skeptical of this scheme, because they wanted the U.S. to focus on Iran, not Iraq. However, they became enthusiastic supporters of the idea of invading Iraq once the Bush administration made it clear to them that Iraq was just the first step in a broader campaign of "regional transformation" that would eventually include Iran.

Moving on to AIPAC specifically, they were not as hawkish in pushing the war as it appears. Groups like AEI and JINSA devoted more energy in framing the war not only to the government, but to the American public.

Heres where the loose character comes in.
Neocons are one specific group. Easy to describe and different from AIPAC. Theres much overlap with Jinsa.

Essentially, I do not believe in

Sum up, you mention "scholarship issues" but don't actually bring material that makes that claim. Where is it? I see your opinions, though.

Tom Friedman in NY Times: the US government is Israel's "hostage" and "the powerful pro-Israel lobby can force the administration to defend Israel" by FBernadottein politics

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The authors eliminate the notion that the energy and oil prospects in Iraq played an influential role

Energy companies were fighting against the neoconservatives, and were lobbying to trade with Saddam.
http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/adkj4/shell_wins_iraq_oil_field_rights_yep_looks_like/c0h21gm Bush, the dim-witted follower of other people's ideas, was caught between the Neocon's fantasy of crushing Israeli enemies like Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, etc. and Colin Powell's Gulf War I like plan for an exclusive focus on Osama bin Laden and his network, Al Qaeda, and the expansive American courtship of most Arab countries - which made Israel unhappy.

By the way...

Saddam Hussein's surprise acceptance of "unconditional" United Nations weapons inspections put Israel on the hot seat, forcing it into the open as the only nation actively supporting the Bush administration's goal of Iraqi regime change.

Clinton and Iraq.

Perle and Feith, along with future Bush administration officials Paul Wolfowitz and Donald Rumsfeld, signed the February 1998 "open letter" to President Clinton, in which they listed nine policy steps that were in the "vital national interest" of the United States. The first of these was "Recognize a provisional government of Iraq based on the principles and leaders of the Iraqi National Congress (INC) that is representative of all the peoples of Iraq." In October 1998, under intense lobbying pressure from the neocons, Congress passed, and President Clinton signed, the "Iraqi Liberation Act," which provided money and U.S. legitimacy for Chalabi's INC, along with six other exile groups.

I think this dismissal is crucial. The energy companies like Halliburton have far more influence in Washington than any pro-Israeli interest group.

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/k7l2g/1993_so_theyre_looking_for_a_new_explanation_in/c2i3jd4

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/djo8z/why_is_the_worlds_worst_violence_ignored_congo/c10q31o

[The politics of sanctions against Iran 1979-2000's. How US companies won, then lost their position to AIPAC (PDF)](http://zimmer.csufresno.edu/~sasanf/MES101Documents/ThePoliticsOfUSEconSanctionsEconLit.pdf)

Bronfman leads lobby against Conoco deal with Iran

Wall Street Journal Jun 18, 1996. pg. A24, 1 pgs

The measure, which the House is expected to approve today with the Clinton administration’s blessing, infuriates some of the U.S.’s closest European allies. Last week in an undiplomatic outburst, the European Union’s top executive turned to President Clinton during a joint news conference to complain that it wasn’t “justifiable or effective for one country to impose its tactics on another.”

But for Aipac, known formally as the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the measure isn’t just a way to fight international terrorism. It offers the chance for a comeback of sorts, a badly needed way to burnish its own image. Aipac isn’t a political-action committee; it is the chief U.S. lobbying group for Israel and is financed by private fund-raising in this country.

Aipac staffers insist that it is business as usual — they are working on Capitol Hill to promote Israel’s interests. But the group’s interest in Iranian terrorism at least partly reflects a recent dilemma. Over the past few years, Israel’s active pursuit of peace with its Arab neighbors and warm ties with Washington made Aipac’s mission less clear. The group no longer needed to mobilize its troops to thwart U.S. arms sales to Arab states or vilify Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat. Instead, American Jews were divided over issues such as the future of Jerusalem and the prospect of a Palestinian state.

“The consensus surrounding Israel has diminished and this, among other things, has reduced somewhat the centrality of Aipac in the American Jewish community,” says Benjamin Ginsberg, a Johns Hopkins University professor who writes on American-Jewish politics.

Aipac’s funk began in 1992 when Israeli voters elected the Labor Party’s Yitzhak Rabin as prime minister, ending 15 years of dominance by the hard-line Likud bloc. On a visit here, Mr. Rabin met privately with Aipac’s top leaders, many of whom are conservative and cozy with Likud. The new prime minister read them the riot act, gruffly telling Aipac officials that he would conduct foreign policy directly with the White House and that they should stay out of the way.

Shocked and searching for a way to remain relevant, Aipac hit upon the perfect vehicle — Sen. Alfonse D’Amato. Since 1993, the New York Republican had been offering sweeping Iran sanctions bills. Despite the general animosity toward Tehran, the bills languished in Congress. Aipac recognized that all that was needed was an organized effort to refine the legislation and push it through. The lobbying group decided to become the locomotive.

When the Republicans took over Congress in early 1995 and Sen. D’Amato became chairman of the Banking Committee, the bill’s fortunes — and Aipac’s — were about to change. The administration regularly attacked Iran’s support of international terrorism and urged its allies not to do business with Tehran. Then, thanks partly to an Aipac research paper shared with the White House, the administration learned to its embarrassment that U.S. oil companies were Iran’s biggest customers by far.

In March of last year, to show its resolve, the White House intervened to stop Conoco Inc., the energy unit of DuPont Co., from going ahead with plans to help develop two Iranian oil fields. But casting the spotlight on Iran also gave Sen. D’Amato’s bill momentum. Soon, the administration was conducting separate discussions with the senator’s office and with Aipac.

Sen. D’Amato’s bill focused on imposing U.S. penalties on foreign companies for trading with Iran. (The bill also includes sanctions against Libya, though Iran remains Aipac’s principle focus.) But the administration, believing such a sweeping bill would violate international trade law, suggested another approach: it would punish foreign companies that in the future invested at least $40 million in Iran’s energy sector, which is vital to its economy. The sanctions would include barring U.S. Export-Import Bank support on sales to those foreign companies and would ban such companies from receiving loans of more than $10 million from a U.S. financial institution. The administration hoped such an approach would be less offensive to America’s allies. Aipac, recognizing the broader appeal of such a measure, signed on. So did Sen. D’Amato. The bill moved through the Senate with no opposition.

Next, Aipac prepared for a tougher fight in the House, where powerful interests traditionally oppose so-called secondary boycotts. In a world-wide campaign closely coordinated with Sen. D’Amato, Aipac and the New York Republican helped raise the stakes by publicizing pending business deals involving foreign firms and Iran.

In February of this year, for instance, the Australian Jewish Review published an article saying that Broken Hill Proprietary Co., Australia’s largest company, was about to sign a $1 billion deal with Iran. A few days later, the Australian Financial Review’s Washington correspondent wrote a similar report, including a letter to the firm by Sen. D’Amato. The company, under pressure, denied that such a deal was pending.

Meanwhile, the House International Relations Committee approved a bill that included certain trade sanctions and was tougher than Sen. D’Amato’s measure. But GOP Rep. Bill Archer of Texas, chairman of the Ways and Means Committee that also has jurisdiction, strongly opposed trade sanctions.

With the two House committees at loggerheads, Aipac played the key role of go-between, sitting with Ways and Means staffers in the office of Thelma Askey, staff director of the panel’s trade subcommittee, to try to resolve differences. In recent weeks, Aipac won support for a measure favored by the International Relations Committee that could lower the investment threshold to $20 million after a year if other nations don’t agree to join the U.S. effort against Iran. But Aipac failed in efforts to extend sanctions to banks that finance energy deals in Iran. The Senate is expected to accept the House’s version of the final bill.

Ironically, the recent election victory of Israel’s hard-line Likud party, which is likely to stall peace talks, could create tensions between the U.S. and Israel — and re-energize Aipac’s basic mission. “If Clinton tries to put pressure on Israel,” says Morris Amitay, a former executive director of Aipac, “he’ll find that Aipac will be working with a lot of people in Congress, particularly the Republican majority, who will be happy to take on the White House.”


Norway FM: We will recognize Palestinian state by soccerin worldnews

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I have a collection of links above. It could be made more thorough, but its enough to sort out the lie of using "citizenship" to mask the inequalities in "nationality." Its really dishonest to use this citizenship argument, as it plays on westerners concepts that they are interchangeable.

IAmA Israeli not believing in god, who lives in the west-bank ; AmA by 1nfect3din IAmA

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where did I state anything about competition?

Goes on to outline competition, again.

Norway FM: We will recognize Palestinian state by soccerin worldnews

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Apparently

IAmA Israeli not believing in god, who lives in the west-bank ; AmA by 1nfect3din IAmA

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Says competition with zionists was NOT why they didnt get a country goes on to state competition with zionists.

Norway FM: We will recognize Palestinian state by soccerin worldnews

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Israeli Arabs do have full citizenship rights by law.

Didn't click the links, did ya. Never caught that part on blocks to the 93 per cent of pre-1967 Israel controlled by the Land Agency. Never saw that social and welfare services lack of equality. Didn't have to get into the Serve in the military issue and the the many social and welfare services available to those who complete compulsory (for Jews) military service.

Don't look at that. It might hurt your sensibilities.

Tom Friedman in NY Times: the US government is Israel's "hostage" and "the powerful pro-Israel lobby can force the administration to defend Israel" by FBernadottein politics

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Cite the book and cite your rebuttal. This book was written with much attention to detail, so a detailed and cited response is necessary of both the book in question and your sources.

Tom Friedman in NY Times: the US government is Israel's "hostage" and "the powerful pro-Israel lobby can force the administration to defend Israel" by FBernadottein politics

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Walt and Mearshiemer had some scholarship issues in the Israel Lobby

"Issues."

Extremely well cited and researched work that was heavily combed over by empassioned Israeli defenders looking to find any flaw.

Review the "issues."

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