Our system is as good as yours, so why change it?

DeSaad · 2012-02-04T16:56:45.378966+00:00

Because the 0 isn't an actual 0 of anything.

No, but it's (roughly) the freezing point of water, which is pretty damn handy. 100 being the boiling point is also handy. Knowing that something is twice as hot as something else isn't something I have much use for outside of science.

DeSaad · 2012-02-04T16:38:43.049355+00:00

The imperial pint is 568 mL

DeSaad · 2012-02-04T16:37:15.905517+00:00

Nono, Subway subs should be measured in barleycorns, which happens to be the basis for shoe sizes.

DeSaad · 2012-02-04T16:27:12.062359+00:00

You're wrong about the retardedness here. l/100km is a useful measure to compare fuel consumption between vehicles, where mpg isn't. Read this.

DeSaad · 2012-02-04T16:11:31.282838+00:00

YYYY-MM-DD, actually

kingy123 · 2012-02-04T15:59:22.961092+00:00

Ok. So I've tried it - some things to note:

Requires Spotify Premium
An extra plugin is required - this is downloaded automatically once you try to activate Spotify
Offline caching is said to be supported, but when I tried it, it still insisted on buffering the track
Skipping in Spotify songs is not supported (in any direction). Nor is Pause - once you pause a track, and start playing again it starts from the beginning of the track.
Unlike the Spotify Linux client, Clementine supports media keys.

kingy123 · 2012-02-04T15:43:26.325458+00:00

For those wondering: This isn't in the plain Ubuntu builds yet. Installation goes like this:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:me-davidsansome/clementine-dev 
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install clementine

(Replace the last line with sudo apt-get upgrade if you already have it installed)

kingy123 · 2012-02-04T15:42:03.435066+00:00

In general, anything other than the Spotify desktop client requires Premium.

Arve · 2012-02-04T11:15:20.249637+00:00

Indeed, also note that these cars are completely flat underneath, meaning the entire car pretty much acts as a wing. For a detailed answer, I think asking AskScience is in order.

Arve · 1 day

Here is one of them. And some pics of Mark Webber's crash two days before

baracapy · 4 days

There is no mention of resting heart rate in that context, so it is ignoring it.

but since I haven't yet run a race to calculate my VDOT

You don't have to run a race as such - rather, try running a Cooper test. When you're done with that, input the result into this calculator. The "Daniels formula" result is your VDOT.

I'm not an experienced runner, so I don't know how easy "easy" should feel.

While heart rate is a good tool for being sure, your easy pace can also be run by feel: You should be able to hold a conversation going while running. If you can't talk, you're running too fast. If the conversation is as unstrained as if you were sitting by your desk, you're going too slow.

A side note on Karvonen vs. other methods: The difference between the various schools of thought for this are very, very slim, and as I said, since heart rate will vary with a bunch of factors, it's easier to do by feel, in particular on the easy runs.

Floppyboobsack · 4 days

It's not like getting skiing boots fitted where they custom mold the boot - it's simply a matter of having you make an informed choice about which shoes to buy.

baracapy · 5 days

Daniels' isn't really using heart rate as a measure - he also warns against using HR blindly, because it might vary from day to day. Instead, you're supposed to set your paces from a test result, and run at paces decided by that test result. The paces he has decided is based on collected data from many runners, and will more often than not correspond with the traditional heart rate training zones.

I'm using 220-age to estimate my HRmax, since I haven't done a proper HRmax test yet, so these percentages are likely a little bit off because of that.

Repeat after me: Any formula used to estimate heart rate is completely useless if applied to an individual. A formula is used to express an average among an age group, and some are less objectionable than others.

I've been reading Daniels' Running Formula to try to figure out where to go once I'm done with C25k.

I love this book, but unless you are planning to train for a race of any sort, the most important thing you can do is to run easy miles (If you use heart rate, this is 65-79% of your actual max HR) and get consistent weekly mileage. Run shorter on most days, do one longer run on the weekend.

Floppyboobsack · 5 days

I am on a budget and I can't afford a specialty shop with inflated prices but I will see what there is in my town.

I don't know about your area (or country, even), but my experience, my specialty running stores are no more expensive than your average sporting goods store - in my case getting fitted was free since I also bought my shoes there. If it's a good store, they will know that satisfied customers are returning customers.

Think of it this way: Which is cheaper, constantly having to buy new shoes because you are dissatisfied, or getting a pair you love? Which is cheaper; treating an injury caused by the wrong shoe, or spending money on the right shoe in the first place?

Also keep in mind that running stores too will have clearance sales on expiring models - the shoes will be just as good, but will cost less.

Floppyboobsack · 5 days

"normal" pronated foot according to wet foot test.

Pronation cannot be tested for with the wet foot test. Pronation is what happens when your foot rolls over from heel to toe during your stride when running. If you want to know your pronation, you need to be filmed on a high-speed camera while running on a treadmill. Also, how you pronate is likely to be different in a pair of shoes compared to running barefoot, as any shoe with cushioning and/or heel/toe differentials alters your stride.

TL;DR New trail runners feel very cushiony from what I am used to and I have a bit of foot cramping in them.

I simply think it's the wrong shoe for you. It can be too wide, too narrow. The toe box can be too low. It can be too supportive, or with too little support. The cushioning might be too hard, too soft, or it might be differently distributed from your other shoe. Using myself as an example: There's a whole lot of people out there who love the Saucony Kinvara to death, and while I enjoyed many aspects of it myself, it was simply the wrong shoe for me - when I first bought the shoe, I would get pain along my fifth metatarsal (the bones along the outside of the foot) on runs of more than 7-8 km, which eventually settled. I started running in various Inov-8 shoes for a while, and then tried my Kinvaras on after not having run in them for a month or two, and the metatarsal pain reappeared instantly.

Or should the shoe be "perfect" right out of the box?

In my own view, if a shoe isn't perfect out of the box, it's the wrong shoe. When buying shoes, you absolutely need to try them for what you are using them for: Running. A place without a treadmill you can try is not a place to buy shoes (at least not until you have considerable experience with shoes - I buy my shoes online, but I know what type of shoe I'm looking for)

any help is appreciated.

You should go to a proper running store. Have them analyse your foot and your stride with examination, a mirror box and have them film you on a high-speed camera - both in your old pair of shoes, and in your preferred candidate pairs.

Buy shoes in the afternoon, or right after a 10-15 mile run. Your foot is bigger when you go to bed, and any fitting should be done then. Afternoon is easier, as I'm not sure stores appreciate you coming in dripping with sweat.

Try different types of shoes. Both different brands, and categories. The two pairs you have pointed at are about as far from minimalist as you can get a neutral shoe, and they are very different from each other. In short, shoes are categorized into:

Support and pronation control. This controls how your foot and stride responds when running. According to Running Warehouse, the Crossmax shoes are more supportive than the Sauconys, without being directly considered "supportive".
Cushioning. Three aspects: Firmness, amount and distribution. All of these alter how your foot responds as you strike the ground. The shoes you suggested are both very high in the "amount" department. I don't have data, but I would believe the Salomons to be a firmer ride than the Sacuonys. I've briefly looked at the Crossmaxes and found them to have an incredibly rigid sole.
Heel/toe differential (heel drop). Both shoes have a fairly high heel/toe differential at 12 mm for the Sacuonys, and 10 for the Crossmaxes. However, heel drop isn't so relevant here, because that mostly affects your calves - a lower heel drop puts more strain on your calves, and during a transition period to such shoes, your calves will tire much sooner during a run.

runconmigo · 5 days

See a doctor:

Plantar Fasciitis is very much associated with heel/arch pain in the morning when first standing. Since you're not mentioning this, I'll assume that this is not happening. Therefore I think PF is unlikely.
You're also saying that the arch pain appears a while into your run, sometimes to then disappear, which also seems inconsistent with PF.
It getting better when you rest, and then reappear within a few days of running also seems inconsistent.

Why see a doctor?

You have worked up to consistent 40-mile weeks in 13 months. 40 mpw is a danger zone for too-much-too-soon (TMTS) injuries. Doubly so, since you are doing speedwork consistently
Your injury is on one foot. PF, I think, more often occur in both (without being 100% certain, I could find very few references on this).
Acute pain while running and the TMTS makes you a prime candidate for stress fractures - something I also think is not inconsistent with your symptoms. Caveat: I'm not a medical professional in any capacity, but I know how to Google, and this page seems to agree it's on the list of possible causes. A stress fracture is absolutely not a DIY-er.

Should you choose to ignore my advice, here are some things which helped me, as a forefoot striker, with arch/heel pain symptoms:

Golf ball massage of the foot
Trigger point massage and stretching of my calf. Like thecoyote5, I'm no big fan of stretching, but I think it makes sense for forefoot runners.
The same for anything around my ankle, including my Achilles.
Compression socks - after running. In my case, my symptoms completely vanished within a few days, and haven't reappeared.
Shoes. For a good while, I ran in Mizuno Wave Ronins and Saucony Kinvara. I'm suspecting that the Kinvaras are to blame for some of the problems I had. I've since mostly switched to running Inov-8 f-lite shoes. Either way - get properly fitted for shoes - at a place which will film you with a high-speed camera on a treadmill to analyse your gait (and your foot).

TL;DR: See a doctor. While I'm giving a bit of self-help hints at the bottom, I'm posting those merely as things to try while you wait for your doctor's appointment.

blue_lotion · 5 days

What one thing could I do-like if I were to trade in one of my 5 miles days in for some other type of running?

As you don't have a particular goal, I'm sort of with bornagainatheist - there's no particular reason to bother. However, I think breaking routine can be inspiring, so here are some proposals:

Mixing up the lengths of your runs. Run three miles one day, Eight another, and throw in a 10-miler. Personally, I love how running after 90 minutes feels.
Run in a different place
If you run on roads, hit the trails. If you run on trails, go off the trails and explore. Note that anything that's paved, either with asphalt or concrete doesn't count as a trail. If you trail run, hit the roads occasionally.
If you always run the same pace, mix it up a bit - run faster some days, and slower on other days.
On speedwork, if you want to mix up speed further, do a fartlek every once in a while. The word is Swedish and literally means "Speed play" - meaning you vary your speed during the run, and as you please - such as "I'll run this 1-mile hill as fast as I can", or "Sprint for 200 yards", or "I'll run slightly faster for the next two miles". In other words, it's play - you do what you want, when you want, so it can't become a chore. If you decide on doing it, max once or twice a week.

blue_lotion · 5 days

she'll probably be able to do...9:00 pace.

Given a few trials at pushing herself for a bit - say for two or three weeks, I'm pretty sure she would run a fair bit faster than 9 if that's her easy pace. She has cumulatively run 52.14*30*20 = ~ 31000 miles. Give her 4-5 weeks of VO2max training, and she'd easily do 8.

(Caveat: I don't know her age, but I'm assuming she's 40-50-ish).

blue_lotion · 5 days

Will I get slower?

No, the opposite. Even more so if you extended your Saturday run so you reached 90-120 minutes (and boy, does running feel good after 90 minutes on your legs)

I guess my real question was the first one-does anyone else just go running?

Many people do. Although, I do participate in races, I don't do so to win, but because I enjoy the atmosphere and the challenge. I would have run just the same if I didn't do those races.

(Message to those who have missed the Sunday thread: It'll probably be back at the end of this week - for reasons outside my control, I've been half-absent, and saw what the front page looked like yesterday)

doppleganger2621 · 10 days

Satire.

Childs_Play · 11 days

Thanks a lot. There seems to be a few episodes I've only half-watched.

DuckAvenger · 11 days

Season 7, episode 2. I must have missed that episode.

Childs_Play · 11 days

Mind posting that list here as well?

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