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[–]Anomander 22 points23 points ago

There's a difference between "generous GGG" and "doormat".

I'll crutch dry buddies to the end of the Earth, and would never be so gauche as to demand repayment - but I think its an equal or greater faux pas to mooch with no intention of repayment. I'm friends with those guys because we share similar values - I always try and repay my debts as best I can, and the people I choose as friends share those values.

Sometimes the company is worth the mooch-dom, but typically I don't feel like I'm doing a mooch any favours resenting them but never actually asking them to fix their shit.

Sure, "cut the mooch from the circle" is the common advice regarding bad-manner smoking buddies, but I prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt and let them know there's a problem before handing off the icy shoulder and cutting them.

Equally, I don't believe in smoking with folks I resent - and I know I'll resent a mooch soon enough. I'm not comfortable being walked all over, and I've no interest in acting as free supply for dudes who see me solely as free supply.

Ummm, I'm gonna need all admins to go ahead come in Saturday. So if you could finish implementing that "WINNER" by next Monday that would be great, mmmk... oh oh! and I almost forgot ahh, I'm also gonna need you to go ahead and come in on Sunday too, kay. by OptimistCynicin ideasfortheadmins

[–]Anomander 0 points1 point ago

Dude, put your defensiveness & aggression on the back burner for a few and knock off the sulky teenager routine.

You claimed something, and I don't believe it's true gospel.

I ask for [citation], and you give me "I been here ages" instead of said citation.

I call you on it, you call me a dick.

I explain why my request to please substantiate your claim of some sort of historical precedent is perfectly reasonable, and you re-paint this whole conversation as some sort of reddit old-timer dick-swinging contest.

Allow me to re-state my original thesis, in case you've forgotten it: I don't believe reddit had any built-in poll mechanism, and would like to see evidence of such a thing before accepting your claims of its existence.

Misdirection doesn't constitute an argument, but it also doesn't further discussion in a meaningful way.

Ummm, I'm gonna need all admins to go ahead come in Saturday. So if you could finish implementing that "WINNER" by next Monday that would be great, mmmk... oh oh! and I almost forgot ahh, I'm also gonna need you to go ahead and come in on Sunday too, kay. by OptimistCynicin ideasfortheadmins

[–]Anomander 0 points1 point ago

Oh, yeah, I lurked before lurking was cool too.

/s.

I don't think I'm being such a dick by not taking your claims at face value and asking you to back them up with more than "oh, I've been on reddit for ages, I'd know."

Especially when your old-timer cred isn't that much stronger than mine, and I've no recollection of anyone but you from those days making mention of this mysterious integrated polling system, in spite of "give us polls!" being featured in /r/ideasfortheadmins monthly, if not weekly.

Ummm, I'm gonna need all admins to go ahead come in Saturday. So if you could finish implementing that "WINNER" by next Monday that would be great, mmmk... oh oh! and I almost forgot ahh, I'm also gonna need you to go ahead and come in on Sunday too, kay. by OptimistCynicin ideasfortheadmins

[–]Anomander 0 points1 point ago

I was also here for a large portion of the founding team's administration. You signed up 248 days prior to me - less than a year.

Stop playing your old timer cards and substantiate your claims.

I don't remember an integrated polling system, nor anyone but you mentioning the past existence of one.

Ummm, I'm gonna need all admins to go ahead come in Saturday. So if you could finish implementing that "WINNER" by next Monday that would be great, mmmk... oh oh! and I almost forgot ahh, I'm also gonna need you to go ahead and come in on Sunday too, kay. by OptimistCynicin ideasfortheadmins

[–]Anomander 1 point2 points ago

Unless this was pre-comment era, not that I've ever heard of. Link me, please?

People have been submitting links to polling sites for ages.

But as I said above, admin have been very clear that they are quite resistant to the idea of implementing one now.

This roughly equates to Mozart endorsing Justin Beiber. by thymewizardin Coffee

[–]Anomander 0 points1 point ago

Your comment is more taste- and opinion- driven even than OPs somewhat over-extended metaphor.

Suffice to say we do not share musical tastes.

Ummm, I'm gonna need all admins to go ahead come in Saturday. So if you could finish implementing that "WINNER" by next Monday that would be great, mmmk... oh oh! and I almost forgot ahh, I'm also gonna need you to go ahead and come in on Sunday too, kay. by OptimistCynicin ideasfortheadmins

[–]Anomander 1 point2 points ago

Admin has been very clear that they not only have no plans to implement a polling system, but also active resistance to an idea that they believe holds significant potential for harm to the community at large.

I also think its a shitty idea, in case that's relevant.

Has anybody stayed over at the St Paul's hotel? by pastakingin uwaterloo

[–]Anomander 1 point2 points ago

Are you attempting to collect downvotes?

Has anybody stayed over at the St Paul's hotel? by pastakingin uwaterloo

[–]Anomander 0 points1 point ago

Try again, please?

Take your time with it. Make sure to hit all the right keys in the right order.

Has anybody stayed over at the St Paul's hotel? by pastakingin uwaterloo

[–]Anomander 1 point2 points ago

What the everloving fuck?

Were you trying to communicate, or did you just smash the keyboard randomly?

DAE have hair growing ON their dick? by ChaldoRedditorin DoesAnybodyElse

[–]Anomander 0 points1 point ago

Shaft or head?

macchiato by GaryDennisDouglasin Coffee

[–]Anomander 9 points10 points ago

That is certainly what this is.

This roughly equates to Mozart endorsing Justin Beiber. by thymewizardin Coffee

[–]Anomander 6 points7 points ago

So, obviously bought and paid for.

That said, [pro barista, competitave, credentials, herp derp, etc], and in spite of all that, I was pleasantly surprised by the Keurig system.

It doesn't rival what I can do at home. It more than rivals what my grandparents could do with my setup.

I think your analogy is particularly apt, and I'm not sure if that was the intention.

Mozart and Bieber both make very different music. To the educated music critic, Mozart is head and shoulders superior. To someone who just wants tunes with a beat in the car, Bieber is the solid choice.

Both are (or were, in Mozart's case) great at their genre. Bieber wouldn't be as successful as he is if he wasn't doing something right.

To the refined and educated palette of most of /r/coffee, the K-Cup is a lackluster offering, doing a slightly worse job than we could do ourselves, for more money and less fun.

To someone who enjoys coffee enough to want nice coffee, but doesn't care enough to really get educated - the pop-music of coffee is counter-top Mr. Coffee and its ilk, and the K-Cup system blows those out of the water.

The advert probably could have been far more convincing had Keurig given him less of a script. He would probably have said something similar to what I just did.

Is examiner.com banned from Reddit? by IAmAnAnonymousCowardin TheoryOfReddit

[–]Anomander 4 points5 points ago

No.

It's community focused, but also general sitewide learning.

If mods everywhere else are killing every examiner.com link they see, it would learn "examiner BAD" and take a lot more learning to realize examiner is welcome in /politics, but not so much so everywhere else.

btjunkie 2005 -> 2012 RIP by InternalDemonin technology

[–]Anomander 0 points1 point ago

No.

btjunkie 2005 -> 2012 RIP by InternalDemonin technology

[–]Anomander -1 points0 points ago

You know someone, or you take their test.

A long, rambling "essay" I wrote on a whim about the so-called Hivemind. by NRAGEin TheoryOfReddit

[–]Anomander 1 point2 points ago

This was awfully long-winded,

Welcome to ToR.

you're trying to argue that uniting in loud, vocal hatred of innocuous things is a good trait in a community rather than a bad one

Well, you're putting words in my mouth, aren't you?

Given that the whole post(s) was deconstructing OP's premise that reddit hivemind creates opinions in undecided and/or weak-willed members, I'm not sure where you found that particular straw-man.

A long, rambling "essay" I wrote on a whim about the so-called Hivemind. by NRAGEin TheoryOfReddit

[–]Anomander 2 points3 points ago

Eh, would've sworn you did. Still a great example of the point I was making.

A long, rambling "essay" I wrote on a whim about the so-called Hivemind. by NRAGEin TheoryOfReddit

[–]Anomander 1 point2 points ago

Continued from above.

I'm going to take my turn to cherrypick, and explain this using Twilight. Twilight has a lot wrong with it. Like, almost everything is wrong with Twilight except for appealing, wholly and perfectly, solely to its intended audience.

It's terribly written. There have been posts, on reddit and elsewhere, slamming at great length the technical writing in Twilight. It's badly constructed, with shoddy fundamentals and tacky, cloying writing. It feels, subject matter aside, like a diary page penned by a 14-year-old girl.

It is a laughable story, entirely unplausable, outside of normal suspension of disbelief required for fantasy reading. The world, as she framed it, might be believable, but the plot itself requires greater suspension still than that to be even faintly plausible. Why the fuck is a hundred-something year old vampire going to high-school? Much less everything else from that point forward, the very setting of the scene contains an utterly bewildering incongruity.

It is a Mary Sue fable; more obvious even than Anne Rice's magnum opus, the wish-fulfillment and dedicated, slavish adherence to the genre make the story even more laughable to readers familiar with the concept. The blank-slate character, the mysterious powerful unspoken and otherwise inexplicable convergence of true love at first sight, taming the unattainable man, the mysterious powerful lover with an exotic backstory and then an immediate cause for him to prove his slavish devotion to you. Classic Mary-Sue wish-fulfillment.

It sets a concerning societal model. This is a world in which the vast power disproportion and dominant/submissive role divide is not just normal, but desirable. And one in which a relationship most would define as an "abusive" is in fact somehow ideal *ideal *.

There are equally, deeper feminist criticisms of the book even than the Mary Sue fable and normalizing abusive relationships - continuous disempowerment and a conspicously absent personality are defining characteristics of Bella, and her continuous reliance on male figures for assistance combined with her apparent de-indiviuation while around Edward all set a standard of a female role that is deeply submissive and passive, while continuing to establish dominant active roles for males, both in life situations and relationships. And the series as a whole is an abstinence parable of greatest scale. Take Vampirism as in Sacrament of Marriage, and you have the story of a young couple who are not both vampires sacrament of marriage, and thus cannot have sex of fear of death. They court for a while, with the man making all the right moves and the girl following along merrily, and when they do have sex as a human and a vampire unmarried, the "half-vampire married" baby nearly kills her, forcing Edward to share his vampirism with marry her to save her life.

The book destroys an archetypal myth. Vampires are one of the four fundamental monsters of Western mythology. Frankenstein's Monster (and similar kin) represent the fear of "one step too far" or creating your own destruction. Vampires are fear of the unknown, what lurks in the darkness, and is unstoppable, stronger, meaner, and smarter than you, and has weapons and tricks you can only imagine - but always with a fundamental weakness we can exploit to overcome, if we can just come to know about it. Werewolves are the fear of the beast within, what lurks in the dark corners of our own souls, what we might be capable of free of consequences. AndZombies represent fear of death itself: slow, patient, and inescapable. Meyers' "vampires" are nothing of their archetypal namesake, even Anne Rice at least stuck to some of the core mythology.

Lastly, it is strongly pushing a Mormon ideology, many points of which are summed up in the social effects and feminist criticisms.

Any one of of the above is viable cause to dislike the book. Because of this, there are a lot of people who dislike Twilight, but not all for the same reasons. But there's so many people who dislike Twilight for varied reasons that "Twilight sucks" becomes the resounding opinion you notice as a hivemind trait, but you miss that it's all for different reasons.

It's equally important to note that the community self-selects for similar tastes - for the most part, I think you'd find that someone who likes Twilight, Dane Cook, and Katy Perry is actually a 14-year old girl also not likely to find a lot of the content on reddit particularly interesting. The culture and content of this site doesn't appeal to everyone. Some folks find our rigid and militaristic enforcement of decent writing to be very constraining. Our long posts to be pure mental masturbation. Our content dull and derivative.

Tastes define the things we enjoy and don't enjoy - and mutual interests make a content-sharing community more enjoyable than when you're not interested in any of the content the other users are sharing.

TL;DR: People can change their opinions with better information without it being a conspiracy. Sharing tastes doesn't mean we're all being brainwashed, we just get along better because we have more in common. Your doom and gloom about how reddit makes us all think the same is hyperbolic bullshit.

A long, rambling "essay" I wrote on a whim about the so-called Hivemind. by NRAGEin TheoryOfReddit

[–]Anomander 2 points3 points ago* 

Your post is based on two, somewhat terrible, assumptions.

That "the average redditor" doesn't have an opinion of their own.

And that opinions common within a group must come from within the group.

You seem to further support these assertions with the essentially unrelated fact that reddit's collective opinions can, in some cases, follow a predictable pattern.

Reddit is, as we all know, a shit-hits-the-fan collection of user submitted content. What rises or falls is, indeed, predominately based on the voting masses' opinion of the headline - ToR has by and large concluded that voters and commenters are mainly two separate types of user.

However, the voting there is based more on potential than fact - the Dragon Game sounded like it could be pretty cool. The Rampart AMA could have been really awesome if it was actually a Woody Harrelson AMA as initially promised.

This is best exemplified by the many scientific and news articles where a headline gets highly upvoted and the top comment is a solid refutation of the link content. The title is upvoted because it sounds really cool, but the voting public doesn't check the comments for contradictory opinions.

This, too, is why posts can tank when a counter-post does well - the same people that upvoted the post originally see the response post pointing out where the other was wrong, and go back and fix their vote accordingly.

In pulling this particular behaviour as your example, you're ignoring the many posts where this doesn't occur. The vast majority of things that make the front page don't spark giant controversy or drama. They float, everyone laughs, and then they sink a little later on.

Posts that generate controversy oft as not do so not because of social engineering or reddit's love of strife and mayhem, but because the original post was upvoted based on false or incomplete information. The Jeep thing is a great example: if the post had been based on good information, if what OP claimed happened had really happened, controversy wouldn't have occurred - we'd all have sat back and gone "huh, yeah, that was pretty shitty" and no shit would have stormed.

Equally, what you're blaming on the reddit's vacuous lack of opinion and nefarious all-hating anti-memes is more the success of posts intended to convince the community of something. Specifically, that "Hey, this needs a second look with more information."

The community isn't fuelling some sort of deep dark tornado of hate. Momentum swings rapidly, and this can swing positively as much as negatively - remember how a dude asked for $5K to build a secure wall around an african orphanage, and we gave them $60K instead? That's hardly "negative feedback". The opininon on the Rampart AMA was, as I said, largely inspired by the potential were he to have participated in the way AMA expects. And its rapid drop took place when it became apparent that he wasn't coming to play in a genuine way, but just wanted to hijack local format to pimp his movie.

The community would have been cooler had he been open from the start about what he was up to. Instead, the community felt misled and used, and I dunno about you, but I'm rarely happy feeling that way. We weren't conditioned to dislike Woody because suddenly hating Woody is so cool right now, but as more and more information pulled forward supporing "not cool, man," opinion swung that way.

If you disagree with this, let me ask you a question--have you ever listened to Nickelback or Katy Perry? Have you watched Carlos Mencia, Dane Cook, or Jeff Dunham perform? Have you seen The Big Bang Theory (well, this has sort of gone out of Vogue as reddit has become more popular), Whitney, or The Cleveland Show? How many of them that you haven't seen do you have a negative opinion toward, simply because reddit (or whatever your primary social group is) has told you it's bad?

So this and the conclusions you attempt to draw from it is really the most problematic portion of this - everything prior might as well have been window-dressing and waffle words.

I have listened to both above musicians, and seen youtube or listened to performances by the comedians.

Nickleback saw regular rotation on my local classic rock station back home. I spent most of my teenage years listening to that station. I don't hate Nickleback - but I certainly know their music is as generic as "rock" comes and a lot of it sounds the same. I like Katy Perry - less so her music - but what I've seen of her on Reddit says she's a pretty ok gal, and does her music quite well. It's just ... generic bubblegum pop, and that's not really my sound.

As for Dane? Well, he's been shown to be a blatant hack, and I don't find his shit funny. I thought it was fucking hilarious when I was sixteen, but I'm proud to say I've grown up since then. Dick jokes and "hey, I'm an asshole!" get old after a while, but his material doesn't seem to have changed.

Carlos Mencia just feels racist a lot of the time. I've never bought the "well, I'm a visible minority, so I can make fun of visible minorities!" and I've always been struck that were he a white dude, his act would be recieved totally differently. I see Russell Peters in a similar light.

All three above comedians take a marked lowbrow cast. Lots of yelling, and lots of "simple" humour - steriotypes, farts, and offensive-ness.

Contrast that to more Hive-liked comedians like Carlin or Hedberg, who are more mature in their humour and their delivery.

I don't particularly like Carlin, either, though I respect him and his published opinions far more than the above.

My girlfriend loves BBT. I don't like social comedy in general, so I find the whole "people bad at being people" schtick done to death by other sitcoms I also don't like - and haven't found anything to redeem that about BBT in the episodes I've watched with her. In fairness, I also don't particuarly like Always Sunny, Arrested Development, Community, or HIMYM, either, all of which the Hivemind seem to love.

As for Twilight, I'm a little amused you included it. It is the worst example you could have brought up.Herp, derp, apparently not. Twilight, though: an extreme example of where my point should be going. Most of reddit has read large portions of the book, if only through posts mocking it. Additionally, most of us have read literary criticism of both technical writing and content and theme, and when the example pages on reddit and the word of literary experts both bring about similar conclusions of "Wow, this is a terribly-written Mary Sue vampire drama laced with Mormon ideology.", I don't think you can call it an uninformed opinion.

I think that what you're assuming is reddit converting the uncaring is more a product of similar assessment characteristics and self selection. If I don't like comedians whose act is predicated on "hope you're not easily offended, lol" or racial stereotypes, Mencia or Cook are pretty obviously out. If I don't like "juvenile" humour, same problem. Equally, if I find myself a fan of higher-brow comedy, it would be safe to say that seeing BBT as just "Friends" with a slightly better vocabulary wouldn't be particularly unwarranted (my general dislike of social comedy notwithstanding), the other shows Hivemind does like bear such criticism slightly better - each of those strays a little more from "standard sitcom" fare.

Reddit core Hivemind (remembering that there are still people on reddit who like all of the above, individually and as a whole) has very similar opinions in the "rest of the world" grand scheme of things, still a very diverse variation amongst the package. Not everyone shares wholly in the whole stereotype "Hivemind" opinion, and I would go so far as to wager that the vast bulk of users find more they disagree with in terms of hivemind opinions than that they agree with. However, each of the many opinions such an entity holds are simply the most common opinion from within the masses on that particular topic.

Continued in reply, because I rambled too.

[MOD] /r/Favors' Official Rules, October 23, 2011 by Anomanderin Favors

[–]Anomander[S] 0 points1 point ago

We keep those grey so that older users can still go for it, but newer users are barred.

Give it a shot, just don't count on a great response.

Im I ruining my espresso machine by putting in other things than coffee? by itsridicuuulousin Coffee

[–]Anomander 2 points3 points ago

If you haven't killed it yet, it's likely fine.

But I've also killed a Moka Pot by running tea through it. Tea expands more than coffee does in hot water, and it formed a near-perfect seal it seemed, before erupting spectacularly, shooting tea and tea leaves everywhere, and scalding varnish off a nearby cupboard.

...Just be careful, I guess.

DAE get irritatedwhen they see a parent and a small child crossing a busy intersection, and the parent doesn't hold the child's hand? by shirleyhouseofwolvesin DoesAnybodyElse

[–]Anomander 1 point2 points ago

No. I mean, it depends on the child's age, but unless the crossing is obviously hazardous, I figure the parents are just letting the child explore their independence.

What I'm doing with my steam machine... does this justify an upgrade? by puffyjenkinsin Coffee

[–]Anomander 2 points3 points ago

does this justify an upgrade?

Only if you want it to.

I'd be very startled if you have a worse machine than my old one, and I was able to make coffee on par with what I served off a $15K machine, once I learned its ways. And got my own grinder.

Don't get me wrong, this isn't "a poor craftsman blames his tools" - pricier, facnier machines really are far easier to work with. But that's the main upshot of the higher pricetag - ease.

Your machine will have fewer quirks and operate more intuitively, and you'll have a shallower learning curve to consistent nice coffee.

You can, however, make very nice coffee off almost any hardware, assuming you take the time to learn it and maintain it appropriately.

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