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[–]frap_ 50 points51 points ago

Judging by the dell onsite technicians I've come across, you're too smart for the job anyway

[–]SanityInAnarchy 27 points28 points ago

Judging by the ones I've come across, the biggest problem isn't the onsite technicians, it's... elsewhere. In this case, the guy who shipped the part.

Called for a bad optical drive. Guy gets dispatched with a tray-loading optical drive. My current optical drive (and case) is slot-loading. Guy arrives at my house, opens the box, takes one look at it and at my laptop, orders a replacement, and leaves.

Replacement comes. Guy drives to my house again. Opens the box, finds the correct drive with a hole straight through the box and into the drive. Classified it as "shipping damage", though I'd still love to see whatever caused that. He orders a replacement.

Third time, he checks the replacement before he drives out, as he is at least one or two towns over in the Midwest, and doesn't want to drive for some 20-30 minutes in vain again. This time it's right. He shows up, and proceeds to take the entire machine apart to replace the one drive, grumbling about the terrible design which requires this when the optical drive is such a common part to fail.

While he's doing this, I have a friendly chat, ask why he's so annoyed, he's getting paid for all this, right? Well, sort of. Turns out a big chunk of his paycheck is per-call, and three trips to resolve the same incident still counts as one "call" even if it wasn't his fault he had the wrong part. On top of this, he suspects he's being phased out.

[–]fox_prostateknows just enough to be dangerous 3 points4 points ago

Turns out a big chunk of his paycheck is per-call, and three trips to resolve the same incident still counts as one "call" even if it wasn't his fault he had the wrong part.

That's fucked up. Do you know if he's paid as a contractor or an employee?

[–]SanityInAnarchy 1 point2 points ago

No idea. It was awhile ago, too, it'd probably be tricky to track him down.

[–]lupistm[S] 17 points18 points ago

The onsite guys were mostly alright, but yeah I was the most proficient of the bunch. The people on the phone had no fucking clue. I also made more money than the other techs ($13 an hour whoopdie fucking do), and I was a temp! Most of them hadn't had a raise in over 2 years.

[–]Remy45 10 points11 points ago

In my area, most of the Dell desktop guys were fine for doing what they do and even the server techs weren't too bad....but the EMC SAN guy they sent over once was the reason I didn't renew my maintenance through them and completely switched vendors as soon as I could.

The guy told me when he walked in that this was only his second EMC call since he took the training class. It was on a Sunday and I had wanted a quiet period, so we shut down everything but production beforehand. He was supposed to replace a part on a bad disk shelf but wanted to try more troubleshooting first, because the phone technicians "were wrong the last time". He ended up suggesting my problem was a software fault instead (?!) and that I needed a flare code update (??!!). I was just on my 3rd week as a SAN admin, and covering for my boss on vacation, so I didn't know enough to stop him. The update hit some bug, which brought down the entire SP and everything connected to it.

Our main production system was only down for another 9 hours after I kicked him out and had Dell send another tech from out of the area.

[–]therealknewmanField Tech aka Cowboy 4 points5 points ago

oh god. we just put in a Compellent SAN. i felt somewhat safe when i was told we had a support contract with Dell.

[–]cohortq<AzureDiamond> hunter2 3 points4 points ago

I have a Dell Compellent now too. Is your install in Southen CA?

[–]therealknewmanField Tech aka Cowboy 3 points4 points ago

negative, southeast PA. why do you ask?

[–]cohortq<AzureDiamond> hunter2 3 points4 points ago

Just wondering if we have the same Compellent reps thats all.

[–]seanbez 4 points5 points ago

Dell bought out compellant and the support is top notch. however there are cases where you get through to someone who may not be on top of things. as you guys are buying compellant I assume you are ITAS customers. in that case ask for a TAM to be engaged or your SDM. if you are not prosupport - ask for the manager and explain your concerns.

As with any IT company there are low level and high level techs - you just need to know how to tap the higher pool

[–]cohortq<AzureDiamond> hunter2 1 point2 points ago

All my Compellent contacts have Dell e-mail accounts, and I believe we were with an ITAS but we're ultimately switching over to all Compellent Dell Support.

[–]seanbez 1 point2 points ago

ok if you ever have any issues let me know and I may be able to help. But the Compellant range was a big step forward for Dell and there is a lot of focus on it so you should be fine.

[–]memphisbelle 2 points3 points ago

Outside of a standard MOBO replacement, my experience with Dell technicians is just awful. Twice I've personally been involved with them swapping the wrong HDD in a RAID volume and completely killing the array. This was at my previous company, hopefully they have since stopped trusting the Dell technicians with HDD replacement.

[–]seanbez 3 points4 points ago

if the volume is important - order the parts on DOSD and have your own staff swap it when it suits you. It works much better in a corp environment.

are you a prosupport customer?

[–]memphisbelle 4 points5 points ago

I would never make a decision to have a Dell tech touch an important array, but unfortunately I was not in a position to make that call at my previous company. The client was about an hour away and my boss thought it was an easy enough swap to allow Dell to take care of.

[–]seanbez 2 points3 points ago

Fair enough. Boss = lesson learnt? In my experience the techies are parts droppers and can manage basics.

[–]memphisbelle 1 point2 points ago

I would assume so. I'm no longer there but this particular incident cost be about 15 hours of my life that evening. Backup Exec full restore with Exchange from tape.

[–]seanbez 1 point2 points ago

the horror!! I hate restoring Exchange from tape.

[–]memphisbelle 1 point2 points ago

Absolutely horrible. I am now in charge of the IT at my current company and have switched us from tape to full-image backups. It's already saved my ass completely when I had to spin up the VM image when the hardware died on the physical server.

[–]seanbez 1 point2 points ago

How do you work your offsite backups? and DR / BC? with the B2D option. I played with the Exchange 2010 built-in replication a while back and was quite impressed. But we had it running between 2 sites for a company who had the cash to splash. know what I mean?

[–]atombomb1945NERF to head 18 points19 points ago

Sears and Dell OST, I am so sorry.

Had Sears call to the Server line once saying that the Server kept rebooting (PE 1600 I think) after the MB had been replaced. looked up the issue and found that their BIOS was ahead of the one that was on the previous MB and suggested that they update the BIOS through Windows. The guy on the phone refused and demeaned new HDDs for the RAID Array. Sorry, I caved. Fast Forward two months later and I get another call from a guy from Sears. The case was still open and we had sent techs out to replace everything on that server and it was still rebooting. To this point, no one had updated the BIOS even though every call told them to do the same thing.

Why not update the BIOS you may ask? Because the other servers didn't need it, why should this one.

Sounds like all of Sears IT is full of it.

[–]StabbyPants 8 points9 points ago

if this were a smaller customer, it'd be closed as 'customer refuses to update bios', right?

[–]atombomb1945NERF to head 2 points3 points ago

No, we could not close out a case until the system was back up and working 100% even if it was a case of the customer not wanting to apply the correct fixes. I read in the case notes on the second time around that one of the techs tried to apply the BIOS update and he was "informed" that he could not do so.

[–]bruestle2 1 point2 points ago

So the case would just stay open with status "Customer refuses fix"?

[–]atombomb1945NERF to head 2 points3 points ago

More or less, yes. That and the case owner gets yelled at by his Management each day the case is open.

[–]lupistm[S] 2 points3 points ago

The sad part is, my contact at Sears told me they contract out to IBM for their server support. You'd think a tech company that big would have a staff member who knows, you know, ANYTHING.

[–]atombomb1945NERF to head 10 points11 points ago

My experience only shows that no one is responsible, it is someone else's fault, and that if they can blame the issue on someone outside the company, everyone is happy.

The second call I got from Sears, they had a guy camping out in the server room due and his only job for two weeks was to reboot the server every two hours when it locked up. Probably easier for them to do then run software updates.

[–]Silverkarn 13 points14 points ago

The second call I got from Sears, they had a guy camping out in the server room due and his only job for two weeks was to reboot the server every two hours when it locked up. Probably easier for them to do then run software updates.

Oh. My. God.

[–]tallwookie 15 points16 points ago

the resolution you provided brightened my day (aka: quit).

[–]lupistm[S] 13 points14 points ago

The sad part is, this isn't what I quit for. When Dell submits a writeup for a tech, it's called a 'Fusion'. Dell tends to blame everything on the techs (we don't work for them, we were with a 3rd party company they contract out to), so I was getting fusions left and right. My company can't hire you as a permanent employee if you have any fusions, and despite being ranked 5th in the company for our customer satisfaction surveys I was nearing 10 fusions after a year on the job.

[–]tallwookie 9 points10 points ago

company can't hire you as a permanent employee if you have any fusions

your ex-company either failed at its contract negotiations, or that's the highest cost reduction policy ever.

[–]lupistm[S] 2 points3 points ago

I'm not 100% sure, but I believe it was our policy, not Dell's.

[–]tallwookie 2 points3 points ago

that sucks, I wanted to blame Dell.

[–]lupistm[S] 1 point2 points ago

Oh, there's still plenty to blame dell for. This will not be the last story I post.

[–]Shakahs 2 points3 points ago

...what exactly does "Fusion" mean and why couldn't they just call it a complaint?

[–]lupistm[S] 1 point2 points ago

I have no idea why they called it a fusion, but I know I had to have a 15 minute phone conversation with the boss whenever I got one.

[–]jonniboy 7 points8 points ago

I used to work for Stream Global Services, which is the company Dell outsources their consumer support to in Denmark, and it's called Fusion, simply because the program used to create them is called Fusion. It's that simple.

[–]lupistm[S] 1 point2 points ago

Thanks, TIL.

[–]ptelder 0 points1 point ago

Wow. Usually knowing anything about Stream's business practices is a little like being one of the kids from Mad Max that knows all the "tells".

[–]Amryxx 4 points5 points ago

I sincerely hope, based on the title, that there will be volumes II, III, ad infinitum

[–]lupistm[S] 1 point2 points ago

Thanks! I've only got as year's worth of stories but there will be a few more I'm sure.

[–]P8ntBal1551 12 points13 points ago

O cummon, it just would've taken you 2192 visits to randomly get a NIC with the same MAC, be a trooper, stick with it.

[–]jwd0310 5 points6 points ago

I used to do that. I worked for QualXServ. I was in NC, my boss in MD. Was actually a pretty sweet gig, shitty company though. Got paid $32 per part, no matter what. Even if I showed up and the custy wasn't there.

If you lucked out and got 6 mobos at the same place it was payday. Heard stories about working during the great capacitor plague: show up with a stack of 25 mobos to some large company and let their techs install all the boards at once. Make $800 in an hour.

The worst part was leaving people without functioning machines. All I had to do was see a BIOS. 10 minutes to swap a hdd and dial Dell support for some grandma. Let somebody who barely spoke english guide somebody who could barely speak through installing XP. Always hated that.

Then there was the lady who refused to let me leave until I installed her printer. Because, you know, that's what caused this whole mess. Replaced her mainboard and the machine booted. I was golden. I even offered to setup the printer, then she couldn't get anybody from corporate to give her the admin password. I got a complaint from that woman. I also had 9 appts that day, didn't get home till 9PM.

Laptops were the most fun. They took the longest, but it was funny to sit at somebodies kitchen table and demolish their pride and joy. Had a mother of 3 trying to keep track of the kids and me at the same time. When I separated the screen from the body of the laptop she freaked!

I replaced a board in one of those little bitty dell workstations. Like, microatx size. Showed up at a hospital in Durham. Was led to a -3 level basement server room. The guy walks down this 50 foot line of racks, opens one, and pulls this little box out like a brick from a wall. I replaced the board, and back in it went. Almost couldn't see it through the nest of cables.

[–]two2teps 4 points5 points ago

Heard stories about working during the great capacitor plague

The fix for Optiplex GX270's blowing their capacitors was to set them behind a GX280 whose fan won't spin down.

Troll science.

[–]lupistm[S] 3 points4 points ago

I used to do that. I worked for QualXServ

They were our competitors, we used to BS with them while waiting for parts at fedex in the morning. they got more desktops, we were 90% laptops, and I think we handled all the next day stuff. got to the point where I could replace any component in a latitude in under 45 minutes. the other guys who'd been there longer could do it in 20.

The worst part was leaving people without functioning machines. All I had to do was see a BIOS. 10 minutes to swap a hdd and dial Dell support for some grandma. Let somebody who barely spoke english guide somebody who could barely speak through installing XP. Always hated that.

Most of the hard drives I installed were preimaged, thankfully, but the customer was on their own if they wanted to recover anything off the old one.

didn't get home till 9PM.

oh god yes don't remind me about those days. no overtime for me, I just had less calls on a different day so I didn't go over 40 hours.

[–]Shakahs 2 points3 points ago

20-40 minutes is pretty impressive. I only do desktops so I look at laptops with a mix of fear and disdain, because anything I do will take way too much time.

[–]lupistm[S] 1 point2 points ago

Luckily Dell's business class machines are pretty easy to work on, they even have the ascrew sizes printed on the board so you don't get confused. Alienwares, on the other hand... Lets just say Alienwares suck.

[–]Jack-isLayer 8 Error 2 points3 points ago

I haven't worked with Dells much but when I worked on a bunch of Optiplexes I fell in love with those little diag lights. Partly because they're so well-documented, though. Beep codes are nice too, but not when I have to spend fifteen minutes tracking down some forum post where someone listed what they mean.

[–]lupistm[S] 1 point2 points ago

I like the built in hardware diagnostics too, very convenient.

[–]Shakahs 2 points3 points ago

Grandma doing an XP install, that's so sad. But I guess it's cheaper to pay offshore tech support to guide her through it for 3+ hours then keep you there to do it yourself.

[–]bruestle2 1 point2 points ago

You know 90% of the time the drivers will not all be installed by default. The Dell driver discs were not always very helpful either.

[–]lupistm[S] 1 point2 points ago

Dell driver disks are so counter-intuitive even as a guy with 15+ years installing drivers I had trouble with them

[–]bruestle2 1 point2 points ago

The driver discs from other companies are generally the bomb. Usually they have a one-button-press auto detect/installer.

[–]lupistm[S] 0 points1 point ago*

Dell's disks have no consistency. There may be nice easy ones out there, if there is I haven't found it. Most have a directory for each installer on the cd. you navigate to the cd, launch /dlc98586/dlc98586.exe, and it creates either /program files/dell/dlc98586 or c:/dlc98586 or /documents and settings/username/temp/dlc98586 or /windows/temp/dlc98586. Sometimes you can run setup.exe from that location and install the driver, sometimes you have to "have disk" and point it at that directory.

[–]bruestle2 1 point2 points ago

Yea, the dell driver discs are just bad. They were always more confusing then the website.

Unfortunately the website was updated with latest drivers exactly as many times as the disc...never.

[–]therealknewmanField Tech aka Cowboy 1 point2 points ago

every once in a blue moon i end up on the line with Dell. of the three times i can remember the business support has been fantastic, desktop and server. no onsite tech experience tho.

[–]lupistm[S] 2 points3 points ago

we didn't get business support, we got the dspq. we were dell certified service technicians, but required by company policy to call someone in india or the phillipines and go through the same troubleshooting checklist as a home user if they sent a bad/wrong part and the issue wasn't resolved.

[–]WitnessFormer SysAdmin/HelpDesk Mgr 2 points3 points ago

I want to work in the warhouse. Sounds like fun and dangerous.

[–]therealknewmanField Tech aka Cowboy 2 points3 points ago

billable call? just keep doin it haha

[–]lupistm[S] 1 point2 points ago

towards the end I was working two different territories a day, 45 minutes apart, closing 8 or 9 calls, and expected not to exceed 40 hours. Didn't have patience for this, and was leaving in a week for a job that paid twice as much.

[–]therealknewmanField Tech aka Cowboy 2 points3 points ago

expected not to exceed 40 hours

wtf. im p/t and routinely go over 40. couldn't imagine doing this job with such restrictions.

[–]lupistm[S] 4 points5 points ago

I was a temp, so they would have had to pay the agency time 1.5x whatever their rate was. Even employees had to call the boss and get authorization, though.

[–]Envoke 1 point2 points ago

As someone who had to go through an agency to get to a help desk troubleshooting position; these agencies are so, SO stingy when it comes to OT payments.

Most places around here would rather you just go home then have to fight over how much OT you worked.

[–]lupistm[S] 1 point2 points ago

Not only were we denied overtime, we were required to close all of our calls no matter how long it took, so effectively after 40 hours we were slaves. A huge violation of labor law, but who's going to complain and lose their job over it?

[–]Lord_DreadlowHeadset Hero 2 points3 points ago

"I prayed to every God I could name that he would understand. He did not." " He told me he understood. He did not." " ....hoping they had an inkling of an idea how their imaging system worked. They did not."

Sounds like Sears own IT is the real problem here. Not Dell.

[–]lupistm[S] 1 point2 points ago

Agreed, but Dell has their share of stupid problems too.

[–]Lord_DreadlowHeadset Hero 3 points4 points ago

As do most large companies with policies written by lawyers.

[–]steakmaneOH GOD HOW DID THIS GET HERE I AM NOT GOOD WITH COMPUTER 2 points3 points ago

Worked with a lot of onsite Dell techs, you guys are the best!

[–]maciaklNo, it is not a virus! It's you! 2 points3 points ago

Heh, I'm wondering if the guys at the Corporate IT simply refused to acknowledge the problem to cover their own asses.

Here is how I envision it happening:

  • Changes to the PXE server are likely tracked
  • To make a change, they would have to justify the reason for it
  • To justify it, they would have to document an incident in which a machine was down for a month and a half because of their incompetence

It is probably much safer for them to bounce the issue back saying that Dell failed to get the machine fixed. They were probably hoping that after 2-3 months Dell would eventually end up replacing the entire machine. Then they could safely put in a work order for changing PXE server configuration for a brand new replacement computer.

[–]lupistm[S] 2 points3 points ago

There could be somebody up there making those kind of decisions, but the impression I got was the guys on the phone had no clue.

[–]atombomb1945NERF to head 1 point2 points ago

Out of curiosity, did you ever have to work on the Servers at Sonic? I have heard horror stories about these.

[–]lupistm[S] 0 points1 point ago

Nope

[–]DKainePortable Sysadmin 0 points1 point ago

He told me he understood. He did not.

Story of my life. Every day, every call, every time.