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[–]SJ_Zero 80 points81 points ago

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Get your eyes checked.

I looked angry all the time for years on end. Made school interesting, since it was just post-columbine. Turns out when I'm not wearing glasses or contacts, I need to focus my eyes manually and it makes me look really pissed off.

[–][deleted] 97 points98 points ago*

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Strange but I've never thought of that before. I DO have bad eyes and I don't wear glasses or contacts. Perhaps I should stop putting it off and get some eyeglasses. Thank you for pointing this out; upvote for sure.

EDIT: OMFG I just figured it out.............. I was born with only one bad eye. If I had been true to myself and just worn a monocle I bet none of this shit would have ever happened. GOD. DAMN. IT.

[–]mark445 54 points55 points ago

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My eyes were sensitive to too much light. I grew up in South Africa, where the sun shines all the time, so I had a constant squint when I was growing up. Ja, people always asked me why I was angry, and then I got angry.

Now that I'm on reddit all the time, I don't need sun or people.

[–]mayobean 2 points3 points ago

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I can totally relate to this, except for the part about your eyes.

[–]Neoncow 18 points19 points ago

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So you've been squinting one eye at people for years because you couldn't see them. They misinterpreted this as a glare.

Do you also have huge forearms and guzzle spinach from a can?

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points ago

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No but for some crazy reason I have dreams of swimming with bow legged women.

[–]DarkSideofOZ 7 points8 points ago

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Like this?

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[–][deleted] 4 points5 points ago

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Get to the optometrist and take care of it. You don't have to buy the glasses from the optometrist, you can just get the prescription, and go to a cheap place to get your glasses, like Target or Costco. My mom says Walmart is even cheaper for glasses, but I don't shop there so I don't know.

So, here is what it was like for me. When I would go to a new neighborhood, I had to slow down to like 10 MPH to read the street signs. I could read my computer screen just fine, but everything else was blurry. I got the "why are you angry" a lot too, but I didn't make the connection to squinting. But I can say I haven't heard anyone ask me that since I have been wearing glasses. Fewer headaches too.

When I put my glasses on for the first time, it was like a revelation. I had no idea what I was missing because stuff was out of focus. When my myopia started in, it changed so slowly, I didn't even notice.

[–]jackarroo 1 point2 points ago*

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Try buying glasses online, zennioptical.com has something like 8 dollar glasses.

[–]jfk1000 0 points1 point ago

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And get one of these. Everyone will greet you with a smile.

Edit: formatting

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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I've out zennioptical before. My problem is I hate almost all frames, and I have to try them on to find the ones that I hate the least.

[–]Neoncow 0 points1 point ago

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Out of curiosity, when did you first have to wear glasses?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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First have to? Or first start wearing them? I was about 36 when I started. I probably should have started around 25 - 28.

[–]moskie 4 points5 points ago

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0_o <--- drumdude

[–]roosterlollipops 0 points1 point ago

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The response I was hoping for. Squinting makes you look pissed off.

I used to get this all the time before I had glasses/contacts.

[–]hinkz 1 point2 points ago

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I have light sensitive eyes, which causes me to squint a lot when it's sunny. However squinting had the exact opposite effect on my face, it made me look happy and smiling like, to the point people would ask me, "What are you smiling about?"

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points ago

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I get the same thing. I constantly am daydreaming or worrying about something, so I guess I forget what my facial expression is. I also am told I roll my eyes a lot in conversations, but I never realize it. On the internet, I am always told to smile more. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/kimday/moanakima.jpg

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points ago

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You're hot. Lose the 16th (?) century clothing and cease to be a painting and we can talk.

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[–][deleted] 6 points7 points ago

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[my first instinct] Ummm... I will wreck your snatch.

[my second instinct] This is all quite public.

[my third instinct] Where are you from? You're not in Italy still are you? I'm in PA if that's not too far.

[my fourth instinct] Jeez I'm coming off desperate these days.

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

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AWESOME. And okay, but I'm at work right now, so just you wait.

[–]RobotBuddha 8 points9 points ago*

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It's a trap! I'm from michigan, nobody LIVES there anymore. They simply exist, and try to lure strangers in to use as food or fuel. Don't become a statistic!

/Except for the area around traverse city and empire. That's actually pretty awesome. Except for the bigfoots.

[–]entropic 1 point2 points ago

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He's right! The Road is just a travel guide for Michigan!

[–]lolerside 2 points3 points ago

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Aw, possible Reddit hookup? Yes? I want you both to know that I'm in full support of the any possible snatch wreckage.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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I will be anxiously waiting.

[–]EFG 4 points5 points ago

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Another love (snatch?) connexion brought to you by reddit™

[–]supersocialist 7 points8 points ago

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I was going to say basically the same thing. Down to the accidental eye rolls. The OP specifically said "don't say smile more," but I've got to say, that's kindof the solution! Was mine, anyway. It's about rebuilding your "default face." Habits can be broken, even unconscious habits, and that includes the way you hold your face and body.

Nice 'shop btw.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points ago

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I'd hit it.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points ago

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Be gentle. I'm kind of valuable.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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i see what you did there

[–]hatekillpuke 27 points28 points ago

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A friend of mine, whenever she's thinking she looks sad or slightly angry. We're constantly asking what's wrong, nothing ever is.

Her screensaver face, she calls it.

[–]commandermeow 6 points7 points ago

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I think this is what I'll start calling mine, too. My screensaver face.

[–]lynn 1 point2 points ago

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When I'm concentrating, I look angry (apparently). Playing the piano, doing homework, whatever. But it was not really a problem until I waited tables -- the manager told me one day that the other servers were put off by my expression in the middle of a shift and asked if I could smile a little more. I had to apologize and say I can't, because it would take constant attention to my face and I wouldn't be able to remember anything my tables needed. Nobody said anything else to me about it, but nobody got any friendlier, either >_>

[–]pablozamoras 46 points47 points ago

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you seem rather defensive so I'll take the freudian approach and assume you want to sleep with your mother.

[–]frak_your_couch 26 points27 points ago

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Worked for me! Sleeping with the OP's mother made me stop looking angry.

[–]mloy 9 points10 points ago

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Prove that you are not angry or upset. It doesn't take smiling, as you have observed in other people.

By becoming upset, you are propagating your problem infinitely; it upsets you that people mistake you for being upset, and as you said, now you ARE upset all of the time. So, they are no longer making false assumptions.

Rather than being offended by other people's assumptions, laugh them off. Amicably explain that they are silly for thinking so, and that you are perfectly fine. Assuming that you spend time with the same people, they will soon get used to your demeanor.

Everybody cares about how they appear to other people, and it is very frustrating to be seen in a different way than you see yourself. So, learn to explain your mood without being defensive about it; people usually have some doubt about your claims when you are visibly offended.

[–]SashimiX 5 points6 points ago

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Wow. This is by far the best advice here.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

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Yeah. It's just good life-advice in general.

Makes me think about my ex-girlfriend. She looked like she was in love with me. I couldn't believe that she wasn't. I chased her even after we broke up. She got fed up and began to shun me. Not either one of our faults, she just didn't know that she looked like she was obsessed with me, and I didn't know that her demeanor had nothing to do with me.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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You have literally solved every problem I've ever had with life. Thank you.

Are you a zen master or something? Tell me about yourself.

[–]violentacrez 8 points9 points ago

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I'm 47, and I've had the same problem my entire life. Don't worry, it will turn you into a bitter old man before you know it!

[–]cdwillis 37 points38 points ago

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Sounds like somebody has a case of the Mondays.

[–]Creepybusguy 10 points11 points ago

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That's liable to get your ass kicked.

[–]Comeclarity 4 points5 points ago

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In some countries they'd kill you for saying less than that.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points ago

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Clint Eastwood has looked pissed for over 50 years now, and it kind of works for him.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

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Clint Eastwood has milked more out of looking pissed than anyone ever. Good observation.

[–]iolothebard 8 points9 points ago

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My mom looks pissed when she's concentrating.

We used to ask her if she was mad a lot when we were kids. She'd scream, I wasn't mad but now I fucking am!!! Lol, so much fun.

[–]dpgaspard 8 points9 points ago

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For the first 3 hours I wake up, I'm like this. Whenever I date someone new, they ask me what's wrong constantly. I usually respond back with "shhh, we don't talk in the mornings."

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points ago*

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You have what's known as crankyfaceitis, time to get high and go to that special place that gives you an angel face

[–]Bixie 2 points3 points ago

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I came in here just for that reply. :)

[–]fugat 2 points3 points ago

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Jeez, it wasn't that good. Clean it up on your way out.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points ago*

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You don't sound fine either dude... just saying.

EDITED for spelling

[–]G-Zom 13 points14 points ago

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Your grammar is dildos!

[–]fugat 5 points6 points ago

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Story of my life, brother. It drives me insane.

[–]vajav 6 points7 points ago

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Well at least that's all people are thinking of you. I have a nerve disorder that makes my arm go into a constant uncontrollable twitch, so i found it helpful to put my hand in my pocket so as not to hit people or knock things down with my flaying arm. Unfortunately people always assume i'm fapping.

:o|

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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No disrespect about the fap arm thing but... look on the bright side; if you ever give in like me and succumb to the opinion of others, at least you'll be fapping 24/7. I'll still be angry or upset.

Btw I realize other people have it WAAAAY worse than my bitchy little angry face problem. Just wanted to say that, and that I try to be thankful everyday for what I have.

[–]midnightmoonbeam 4 points5 points ago*

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Being monolidded (asian) with small eyes, I'm always beind asked if I'm angry or tired. I'm not either. My eyelids just fold over the top of my eyes and I LOOK angry. Luckily I'm female and this year I learnt how to put on make up for asian eyes, and it has really helped. I used to never wear makeup, but since starting, people at work don't ask "what's wrong?" any more, so I'm sold. It has really helped my professional life to look for friendly and approachable.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago*

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It's pretty amazing what a little eyeliner can do andOH MY GOD I SOUND SO SUPERFICIAL AND GAY RIGHT NOW. Seriously though, my girlfriend wears eyeliner when we go out. She looks so hot when she does.... not that she doesn't look hot otherwise but uhhhh you get what I mean and uhhh yea I'm not buying her eyeliner when she runs out or anything and uhhh I gotta go now shes waking up bye!!

[–]midnightmoonbeam 2 points3 points ago*

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Um, okay...

Edit: Monolids have an epicanthic fold over their eyes that most people do not. Here is what I'm dealing with. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicanthic_fold

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago*

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Jesus that kinda made me sound like a dick. See? This whole misinterpretation thing is seeping into other aspects of my life now!! Is there no end to it?

[–]dignat 0 points1 point ago

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I didn't get a bad vibe at all from your previous post.

[–]BadDaughter 4 points5 points ago

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i can't offer any helpful advice cos i'm more the opposite really, i'm really good at pretending i'm fine when i'm not which is good socially but really bad mentally and emotionally i'm told.

anyway here's an orangered an upvote and a cyber hug, hopefully the magical combination of all three will make you slightly less grumpy so you'll smile for real =)

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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This is quite possibly the sweetest comment I have ever received.

[–]eroverton 4 points5 points ago

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I have a similar problem; when I'm deep in thought, I tend to frown. Unfortunately for me, the people around me have a habit of not saying "What's wrong," they say "Fix your face!" My mom told me that for years and I hated it - but it wasn't until a stranger said it to me that I broke. I don't wanna FIX MY FACE - if you say that to me again, I'll come over there and fix YOUR fuckin face."

... then I had to run away because that's completely out of character and I hate confrontation, which is why I never told mom how much I hated that all these years.

[–]photoho 4 points5 points ago*

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My face was just born that way. That's pretty much how I look while I'm waiting in line or waiting to go to work. Well, I am thinner, and a bit older now, but that's my concentration face.

[–]cassie 4 points5 points ago

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Aww you're so cute!!!

[–]disinforeddit 8 points9 points ago

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Why so serious?

[–]titanthrop 3 points4 points ago

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I know exactly what you mean. I'm told I look too serious or grim, and there's always "can you smile"; when in fact I'm a pretty happy, and sedate person.

[–]netzdamon 3 points4 points ago

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You sound upset and angry.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago*

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Yes, it has made me bitter and resentful. It touches me on the deepest of levels. I feel like there is something wrong with my face, my fucking FACE. People tell you to deal and get on with life and I do but sometimes (right now) it can still get to me. I'll quit whining now.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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All faces are different, there is nothing wrong with yours. You just need adjust your face slightly when interacting. I know you didn't want to hear it, but consciously smiling, even if only slightly, will make the big difference. Yes, other people don't have to do that, but unfortunately it might be something you need because life isn't fair. You don't need a big stupid grin on your face, just slightly raise the corners of your mouth, and maybe opening your eyes a small bit wider.

[–]BenGreen 3 points4 points ago

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A few times I've had people ask me or my friends why I never smile or why I always sound so monotone. People who know me are totally confused by this since they know I smile a lot and can tell a lot from my voice. Apparently I'm just not as expressive as most people. Don't worry about it.

[–]MooMix 2 points3 points ago

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You should invest in a pair of glasses with a large nose and mustache

[–]honoredtwig 12 points13 points ago

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I'm a lot older than you and have had the same problem all my life.

Until people actually get to know me and realize that simply because I'm not wandering around with a big phony grin plastered on my face all day every day, I'm not upset or angry...of course, just thinking about this and posting this reply managed to make me a bit angry...oh well, that'll be gone in a minute or two. ;)

Bottom line (despite the fact that the concensus so far says otherwise): don't worry about it.

The frauds and phonies will tell you that you need to slap on a fake smile so others know how happy you are, then you'll begin to be happier and smile more, making more people happy and making yourself happier and .....

Do your best to ignore them or slap on a fake smile for them if you really feel the need to, but remember that happiness an internal thing...only fakes and phonies feel the need to smile all the time and force others to do the same.

Let the downvotes begin!! (that made me smile!)

[–]Excelsior_i 2 points3 points ago

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You made me smile for being such a blunt Optimist. Here, have an upvote.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago*

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Making a choice to smile at those around you doesn't make you a phony or a fraud. Smiling has beneficial social consequences, and acts a means of normal interaction for the social beings that are humans. Also, the fact that writing that made you angry is a small indication that maybe there is diagnostic value to outside parties regarding people that don't smile very much.

[–]honoredtwig 2 points3 points ago

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This is simply my personal opinion, but if you have to choose to smile, it's phony. Real smiles just happen. Sorry if that rubs you the wrong way.

[–]TheElitistCoup 2 points3 points ago*

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I think that facial expressions are one of the best form of projection for your emotions. Take me for example, I have a natural frown, but during certain social situations I'll make an conscience effort to smile more. This makes the people around me more comfortable, which in turn makes me more comfortable. You may call it phony but it really doesn't take that much effort to smile, and I find that making that extra effort grants me more opportunities for friendships and relationships that are truly worth it in the long run.

edit: Now that I think about it, I've smiled so much that I now have a natural half-smile, a few more years of this and it won't be a conscience effort anymore.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Fooling people so they won't be fooled. Genius.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago*

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Opinions on facial expressions would be a silly thing to get upset about. However, I read that your hypothesis is that all emotional responses or facial manifestations thereof should never be a willful act, and thus are entirely subconscious. I find that to be a position that is hard to defend, if for the least of reasons that the consciousness of many actions is often not black and white.

In many cases I choose the facial manifestations of my feeling, in other instances the emotions are strong enough that I do not. In daily life I choose to smile for the same reason I choose to shake hands when I meet someone, or the reason I make eye contact with someone I'm talking to. Smiling is just something humans do to interact, and if my smiling can make someone else feel better or more comfortable (myself included, which does happen), then I'm happy to do it.

Edit: Further, I stand by the statement that looking for smiles on others, regardless of conscious/subconsciousness of them, has important diagnostic value. People can see whether someone has a good disposition or not. Whether the smile is entirely subconscious or entirely conscious (again, this distinction is hardly so black and white) does not matter much when examining whether this is someone you want to interact with. If it is a subconscious smile, then life is going good for them (at least currently) and this is a person you may want to share experiences with. If the smile is conscious then this person makes an effort to enjoy themselves, makes the best of situations, and is looking for positive social interactions, just like you doing the diagnosing.

As I know neither of us will give any ground on this, however, I amicably accept your disagreement, and offer the last word.

[–]honoredtwig 1 point2 points ago

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Sorry to continue this, but after reading such a coherent and well thought out reply I felt the need to provide a proper reply in turn.

I think you may be misinterpreting my statements regarding making a conscious decision to smile versus it simply occurring unconsciously.

When I meet someone I (to the best of my knowledge) typically smile, but this isn't a decision I make to appeal to them or to make them feel more comfortable, it's simply my response to the enjoyment of meeting a new person that generates my smile.

In addition, I'm sure you've encountered the classic 'politician' or 'used car salesman' smile that absolutely repels me (and others that I've discussed this with) due to the fact that it's not real.

I believe that many people can 'pick up' on others emotional states well enough to recognize a completely false smile and regard the person sporting it as a 'phony'. This is the type of smile that generated my perspective and comments.

As I know neither of us will give any ground on this, however, I amicably accept your disagreement, and offer the last word.

Again I apologize for not giving you the last word above, but I have enjoyed this conversation/debate far too much to not provide with you an appropriate (if lengthy) reply that better explains my thoughts. I will now quite happily give you the final word and move on in search of more redditors like you.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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Well, we are probably less divergent than I thought we were initially. And my poorly worded response above was meant to offer you the last word, not have it myself. Good post, an upvote, a smile, and a good-day to you!

[–]randomb0y 2 points3 points ago

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Funny, I have recently discovered that I have a reputation of always being tired at work, just because I always like to sit really low and laid back in my chair ... I only do it because I fond it's much easier on my back though.

[–]QAOP_Space 0 points1 point ago

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you must be young... sitting like that for hours at work will kill your back eventually.

(bad posture software engineer here.... )

[–]randomb0y 1 point2 points ago

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Actually I have read somewhere that it's better for your back to sit like that as more of your weight presses against the backrest of your chair (distributed evenly) instead of pressing down on your lower back.

I'm 31 but I've been having mild back problems for like a decade .... I think that the laid back posture actually helps though, but there were also some other changes in my life recently (quit smoking, got married, etc.), so I can't be sure that it's the chair position alone.

[–]QAOP_Space 0 points1 point ago

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i reckon you'd get pain from a curved spine after a while... but who am I to say... I sit really badly.

[–]randomb0y 0 points1 point ago

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My spine is still relatively flat when I sit down, it's just that it does a ~130-140 degree angle with my feet as opposed to the ~90 degree angle that most ergonomics materials argue! Of course I have to keep my head up a little, I wish I could bring my screen closer and above my head, that would be really comfy! (and it would look like I'm chilling at the beach)

[–]QAOP_Space 1 point2 points ago

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[–]randomb0y 0 points1 point ago

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Yeah, that looks nice and comfy. The monitor is still a bit low, I'd like to have it about a foot higher and tilted 45% facing down, perhaps a little closer to my head. There are some fancy monitor stands that can do that but they're pretty expensive and a pain to install ...

[–]SnowRaven 2 points3 points ago

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I have the same thing, I call it my default face. And usually nobody notices/cares when you are on a computer, watching TV etc, but when they're interacting with you. I worked on it by either being extremely friendly to everyone I encounter, or if that's too much work, just ever so slightly raise an eyebrow and pull the corners of my mouth up a millimeter or so. It's not even smiling, but if you do it when someone catches your attention you look nice and approachable with minimal effort. Practice!

[–]erez27 2 points3 points ago

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[–]back-in-black 3 points4 points ago

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As we said earlier, a woman's wider-ranging peripheral vision, however, allows her to check out a man's body from head to toe without getting caught. Male tunnel vision is why a man will move his gaze up and down a woman's body in a very obvious way. This is also the reason why men are constantly accused of ogling women's bodies at close range but women are rarely accused of the same, even though research shows that women do more of it than men. It's not that men are bigger oglers than women - men's tunnel vision means they keep getting caught.

This explains so much..

[–]sequentious 1 point2 points ago

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Also, the binoculars.

[–]funkypenquin 2 points3 points ago

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I have this problem too. I am 9 years older than yourself but have had this problem since my late teens. I once was eating at the food court in the mall and a woman said " I think you could use this ." and proceeded to hand me a pamphlet on dealing with anger and depression . My eyes function fine but are a bit deep and intense in appearance ,( not romantic dreamy deep but more of an ax-murdering Neanderthal sort of deep ) .

[–]QAOP_Space 0 points1 point ago

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lol... sorry, but that was a pretty funny image of you scowling at strangers at the mall. :D

[–]fuimill 1 point2 points ago

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Some people just have that look, embrace it, dress like a punk or something haha that's what all the angry looking kids in my High School did.

Maybe move to an angrier city?

[–]Context_Please 1 point2 points ago

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Mine has proven useful when I'm approached by marketers. I call it my "fuck off" face.

[–]sunshine-x 1 point2 points ago

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same here - I often get "smile already" comments, or "why are you angry". They usually come at times when I'm perfectly happy inside. No idea why this happens.

[–]Up2Eleven 1 point2 points ago

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I knew a dude who had the same kind of facial expression, but in reality he would jsut focus very intently on people when they spoke, rather than give them a benign, empty grin. Even though I knew what was up, the intensity of it still caught me off guard at times.

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I get this too, my relaxed 'not thinking of much at all' face tends to make people think I'm upset or sad. It does get old, but really the smile more advice is the only way to fix this. The people who know you well will eventually understand anyway.

[–]white244 1 point2 points ago

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I had the same experience and know exactly what you mean. It used to drive me crazy when my daughter would ask me, "daddy, are you sad" all the time. Everyone thought I was depressed just because of the geometry of my face.

Then I got a facelift. That fixed it. My daughter quit asking if I was sad. I guess it pulled up the corners of my mouth just enough so I didn't look sad anymore.

I'm not recommending you get a facelift, just want you to know that I totally sympathize.

[–]arkasha 1 point2 points ago

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Dude, just move to anywhere in the former USSR. You'll feel right at home.

[–]petrograd 1 point2 points ago

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No need to get angry....calm down. http://www.theunnecesarean.com/storage/uncle-leo.jpg

[–]exjentric 1 point2 points ago

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My problem is that I can be very chipper and bubbly, and if I'm not one day, god help us, people think I'm upset. I'm not. Can't I just sometimes not be bubbly and chipper?

[–]J_Sto 1 point2 points ago

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"Don't tell me to smile more either."

Dudes say this to me all the time. ALL. THE. TIME. (When I'm normal "default face" I'm all http://bit.ly/wikipediapic ) Sometimes it's said cheerfully or kindly and I'm usually a pushover and flash a smile, but really who likes strangers telling them to perform facial expressions? Not me. If you want me to smile, why don't you perform. Something funny. Can't you dance like techno viking or something? It's not my fault you don't have any sweet skills.

Best instance of this happening to me was when I played a bit of co-ed softball. Just as I had assumed my super serious batting stance(TM), the opposing team's frat-boy pitcher trash talked me about how I should smile more. O rly? Did you know that the easiest spot to place the ball is up the middle? He had to hit the deck in order to avoid having his head taken off. Shuriken justice in the form of line drive: Consider it a ProTip. :-D er, I mean :-|

;-)

[–]hotpocket 0 points1 point ago

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Maybe it's the way your eyebrows are shaped.

[–]SkaSicki 0 points1 point ago

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I look angry when i'm thinking. Recently i looked at some pictures from when i was a kid, and i've always had that angry look. When i was actually quite happy. I wonder if my life would be any different if i had a not so angry expression on my face :s

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I have this problem too, it really doesn't bother me because I use it to have fun. Like sitting on the bus, I will leave my bag on the seat next to me and see if anyone dares ask me to move it (most often not (and I do move for elderly people)). My friends know I'm not an angry person and them knowing that is enough for me.

[–]eiketsujinketsu 0 points1 point ago

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This used to happen to me too, though lately I just look sad rather than angry. Someone once told me I looked like I was on my way to a fight.

[–]pagetm 0 points1 point ago

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Same here, I think it is because my mouth just naturally turns down at the corners where some people have a more neutral or even a turning up when their face muscles are relaxed. Would be totally turned off at bars when guys would walk up to me and ask me if I dropped my smile. Ugh, shut the hell up.

My husband has told me similar things and we both do the fake smile thing just to show that we are ok. It's not that we are mad and fake smiling, just we are indifferent and don't want the other to ask so we just do a little smile. We've never even discussed the fact that we do it but it just started.

If someone is looking at you and you think they are going to ask then just give them a quick little smile. I started doing it out in public too, if someone is walking towards me I will do it just so I don't look so mean.

[–]xdrunkagainx 0 points1 point ago

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I had this problem for years. People always thought I was angry and ready to get into a fight. Once I was in a bar in Tokyo and a group of men approached me in fear thinking that I was going to cause a fight, they wanted to ask me not to fight them. Recently in the last year I noticed that my vision has been getting worse and I ended up getting glasses. My world changed! Random strangers have conversations with me in the supermarket. People talk to me on the street. It fucked me up for a while, especially when I realized how bad I was at small talk.

[–]akuzin 0 points1 point ago

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Hahahah, yeah I got this comment all the time. Funny because I'm in a great mood most days than not. College friends finally figured out that I am Russian and it is nothing more than a "poker face." Don't worry about it, think about how creepy it would be if that guy from the male enhancement commercials (always smiling) was walking around. Fuck that. Power to you, hope all is well.

[–]cassie 0 points1 point ago*

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I have had this problem my whole life too. A lot of people think I'm a bitch/snob right off the bat because my default face is very.... bitchy looking I guess. I did eventually learn to just smile all the time, even if I wasn't in fact happy, and I haven't had many people make the bitch comment any more.

A lot of girls still think I'm a bitch though, they won't say it to my face anymore, but to my friends instead... I can't figure that one out. I'm just trying to be nice!!

[–]theeeggman 0 points1 point ago

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I was at a bar one time w/ a buddy of mine and we were just sitting there talking and looking around at people - you know, hanging out at a bar - and a dude walks up to me and says, "hey, you should smile more, you look like you're having a bad time." Then he walked off to the bathroom without allowing me to respond. When he came back by, he was glaring at me (while I gave him a quizzical smile) as if to say that he was so upset by the look on my face that he was willing to fight about it. I just figured that the smile police were out in force and that they were not happy about having to work on their day off.

I've been accused of being an intense person but I do have fun and people generally enjoy my company. My facial expressions and the perceptions that they create are not my biggest worries.

[–]thegreatnothing 0 points1 point ago*

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I got emotionally bullied a lot as a kid, and therefore developed a defense mechanism, pretty much automatically, of carrying myself, walking, appearing, etc. as "don't fuck with me" or "I hate the world go away", so people generally do not approach me. I also have the sensitivity to light, so I squint a lot, which makes me look pissed off.

I'm having to completely relearn (or perhaps learn for the first time) proper body language, tone of voice, etc.

Chances are you got into a behavior pattern early in life that makes you appear this way. Try Cognitive Behavioral Therapy if you think this might be the issue. It helps to rewire your thoughts and behaviors to a more "normal/socially acceptable" state.

I know this probably didn't provide a solution to your problem, but I know how you feel because people have been telling me the same thing all my life.

BTW...I hate when people tell me to smile more. If it was that freakin' easy I would have done it already.

As far as not letting things get to you, I have a method. It's not the greatest method, and unless you have impeccable self control I don't recommend it...but what I do is just imagine myself beating the living shit out of the person that pissed me off. Of course I don't actually act on my thoughts, but thinking about it is very cathartic. Listening to the band Dimmu Borgir helps to release some of my anger as well. Especially the album "Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia". Probably a bad idea to do it this way but it works for me. I def can't listen to that kind of music all the time, but it really helps when I am livid.

Best of luck though....

EDIT: Grammar.

[–]Seelsorger07 0 points1 point ago

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My girlfriend is just like this. Her default expression usually seems like she is annoyed.

We have been dating well over a year, and I still occasionally ask "What's wrong? you look angry" only to get yelled at. It's confusing.

[–]redslug 1 point2 points ago

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Me too. It took me a year to figure out its the eyebrows that dictate the frown and thus actually angry. A fucking year!

[–]Seelsorger07 0 points1 point ago

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Holy crap you're right!! Why did no one tell me this sooner? Thank you!

[–]RobotBuddha 0 points1 point ago

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I have the exact opposite one. If I'm moving around in public I'm usually in a state of severe physical agony. But apparently me holding back screams has the appearance of being chipper and slightly manic. I.....wish we could trade though.

[–]l00pee 0 points1 point ago

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Smile more, worked for me.

[–]BearCubDan 0 points1 point ago

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My eyelids are droopy and my lips are longer than normal so it actually takes effort for me to smile so people can tell I am happy. It's annoying!

[–]melanthius 0 points1 point ago

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Don't worry about it too much, but you should pay attention to this in job interviews. A smile can go a long way (they are thinking, what would it be like if I got stuck in an airport for 9 hours with this guy), and if you are perceived as having a frown you stand less of a chance of getting the job.

[–]TheLeaderIsGood 0 points1 point ago

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Yep, have had this but not as much anymore - I've been working on looking scary rather than angry, which helps.

I find the best thing to do is to agree with them that something's wrong and then dramatise it to we're-all-doomed proportions. Taking something and making it all big makes it go away surprisingly.

[–]KorgRue 0 points1 point ago

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I used to hear it all the time as well. I finally started asking people why and they told me that it was because I would ofter avert my eyes or sit/stand with my arms folded.

I found out that both of these are body language for discomfort/unease which people interpret as you being upset or displeased with them.

In my own mind I was simply absorbing the conversation or simply thinking to myself about random shit.

I actively started looking people in the eyes when talking to them and keeping my hands in my pockets or at their sides and people became much more comfortable being around me and noted how my attitude seemed to improve.

Check your body language.

[–]darlyn 0 points1 point ago

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I used to have this problem. My normal, everyday expression was a goddamned frown. When I realized this, I made myself wear a sort of peaceful expression. After a bit of time, I managed to make it a habit. There is hope for us.

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Story of my life: "I was actually quite content until you started bothering me." My resting expression is also quite serious. When I want to show others that I'm pissed off, I have to glare at them like a protagonist in a Stanley Kubrick movie. It's quite annoying.

[–]theblackcat 0 points1 point ago

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– What's wrong?

– Nothing.

– Well, it takes more energy to frown that it does to smile!

– Yeah? You know it takes more energy to point that out than it does to leave me alone? So why don't you get out of my face and watch me fucking really start smiling?

[–]jasenlee 0 points1 point ago

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I've always had dark circles under my eyes. I've tried everything to make them go away. It doesn't matter if I've had 2 hours of sleep or 20. The problem for me is people always ask if I'm sick, not sleeping or wonder if I went on some bender. It's really annoying.

[–]sfacets 0 points1 point ago

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This is true... I smile plenty, so when I'm not smiling people automatically assume that I am angry/something is wrong.

A female housemate once told me I was scary... which really got to me.

Now I just don't care. I smile when I want to and don't when I don't, and people just need to know me with both faces.

[–]Gairloch 0 points1 point ago

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I think it has something to do with either chubby cheeks or big lips.

And apparently not being a loud and annoying person means I must be a stoner (at least I think that may be why people seem to think I'm on drugs, anyways I don't even drink alcohol or smoke let alone do any kind of drugs so I'm not really sure where the assumption comes from).

[–]sandrakarr 0 points1 point ago

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I get this all the damn time. Ive developed a rather neutral expression that I usually wear, and everyone says I look so friggin unhappy. I still get people telling me I should smile more, but some people used to get up in my face and put on an exaggerated version of what I apparently look like.
They finally got the hint to stop when I was quite visibly trying to resist physical backlash at someone at a church thing.

[–]desk_rabbit 0 points1 point ago

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Hey, I have this problem too!

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My line for that, you can have it: "I'm smiling on the inside, and I'm too selfish to share."

[–]l034me 0 points1 point ago

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Here, i'm packing your Angry Eyes.

[–]g0zer -1 points0 points ago

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just smile bro

[–]EthicalReasoning -1 points0 points ago

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you're probably unfriendly or have bad eyesight, or you're unhappy

[–]havesometea1 -1 points0 points ago

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People won't think you look upset or angry if you are smiling. Give that a try.

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When I smile, people think I'm ready to rip their throats out with my teeth. Sometimes I'm tempted...

[–]WellRedd -1 points0 points ago

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Cheer up mate, it might never happen.

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You got asianface... and not the fat friendly kind.

[–]Vystril -3 points-2 points ago

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Try smiling?