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[–]CardsLafter 139 points140 points ago*

You know, as much as I hate participating in political bullshit, I'd rather at least try to keep stuff like this from happening rather than shrug and assume someone else is going to take care of it.

[–]jon819 42 points43 points ago

We need people to get out and freaking vote. "Not participating in political bullshit" is the reason people like Lamar Smith are still in office. I'm not blaming you specifically since for all I know you are a voter -- but just the facebook generation in general. According to the census, almost 80% of people over 55 get out and vote while 18-24 (the facebook generation) hovers around 50%. This is why people like Lamar Smith exist.

What we're doing by fighting the bills is trying to kill the symptoms. We need to fight the disease, and the disease is a hyperactive voting demographic of technologically-impaired retirees who think the internet is something new and scary.

We can do petitions and blackouts and all that nonsense, but these people will keep introducing bill after bill after bill, hoping to slip one by. If we don't get them out of office, we will lose.

[–]Brain21 4 points5 points ago

Democracy doesn't begin or end at voting, even in representational democracy.

[–]forevertruth 1 point2 points ago

Well said.

[–]stellarfury 1 point2 points ago

According to the census, almost 80% of people over 55 get out and vote while 18-24 (the facebook generation) hovers around 50%. This is why people like Lamar Smith exist.

You're looking at registration, not actual voting stats. Trust me, everyone who is registered does not necessarily vote.

The stats on voting vs. not-voting look much uglier for the 18-24 demographic:

18-24: 19.1%

25-44: 37.1%

45-64: 54.4%

65-74: 62.2%

74+: 59.2%

That said, I don't really think "more voter turnout" is going to get people like Lamar Smith out of office.

First, more percentage voter turnout from the 18-24 demographic doesn't matter as much because there are 6-10 times as many people in the other demographics than there are in the 18-24. You could get 100% voter turnout for 18-24 (you can even assume they'll all vote the way you want them to) and still not have enough raw numbers to influence most decisive elections (like Lamar Smith, who won by more than 68%).

Second, congressional districts are very conveniently designed. Even the ones which are drawn legally are typically drawn to demographically favor one party over the other. Barring a major fuck-up by an incumbent (and remember, the average Joe does not view SOPA/PIPA/PCIP as a fuck-up), it's extremely difficult to get cross-party voting. This is how extremist ideologues like Michele Bachmann get elected to the House, among countless other examples.

[–]Treesclera 0 points1 point ago

Correction: You not only need to get these individuals out of office, you also need to find better individuals to replace them. There is no point in having a large turn-out of voters if they have no one good to vote for.

[–]dannyboylee 1 point2 points ago

The problem there is that the people you want in positions of power are never the people who want to be in positions of power.

[–]karl_thunder_axe 0 points1 point ago

which is why the key is always to not seek power, or to ever put your faith in those who seek power, but to make those who have the power afraid of you.

[–]Treesclera 0 points1 point ago

Very true and I do agree with you. Perhaps it is due to the preconception that those in politics have power instead of what it should be: that they are there to serve. If that was the case (an unlikely one) maybe politics would attract the right sort of people.

[–]pervertedlanguage -1 points0 points ago

but how do you get people to leave the internet to go vote?? we need online voting. o_o

[–]mnmsnpepsi 3 points4 points ago

If you can't take the ten minutes to get away from your computer and make an effort to get these assholes out of office, you have bigger problems.

[–]pervertedlanguage 0 points1 point ago

adolescent apathy?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

Lets trust the government to solve this.. let them just take a BIT more money from us and do it! The younger generations are softer than the ones before it and need to be disciplined..

Sounds pretty scary, right?

[–]mildxsalsa 36 points37 points ago

That's because you're a decent citizen. Internet handshake? Internet handshake.

[–]Reddit_poster9 23 points24 points ago

When you guys get done celebrating, sign the actual petition here: http://www.change.org/petitions/block-hr-1981-protect-our-privacy-and-lives

[–]feonix83 13 points14 points ago

That link shows the petition as closed.

[–]wireflight 18 points19 points ago

Here's a link that works (you'll have to sign in, though): http://act.demandprogress.org/letter/snooping/?akid=1193.1626206.hJ3AHP&rd=1&t=2

[–]mildxsalsa 1 point2 points ago

no handshake for internet assholes who assume this is a circlejerk. already signed it.

[–]alphex 0 points1 point ago

Internet Handshake from me, as well.

[–]PrivateJeremiha 1 point2 points ago

There's a facebook page for voting Lamar Smith out of office, https://www.facebook.com/ReplaceLamarSmith

[–]Griffin_Phillips 0 points1 point ago

Stop redditing and finish the next chapter! <3

[–]Idwal 0 points1 point ago

First oppose the latest bill to all your congress critters.

Then come here www.reddit.com/r/fia and help us fix the problem for good.

[–]eoiae -1 points0 points ago

Internet hug.

[–]Anybodykiller 2 points3 points ago

Internet circle jerk?

[–]PossiblyTheDoctor 0 points1 point ago

Mmmm, yeah.

[–]eoiae 0 points1 point ago

I'll bring the lube if you'll bring the Tardis.

[–]Ali_2m 22 points23 points ago

When is he going to stop?

[–]ambethia 37 points38 points ago

When Texans vote him out of congress.

[–]mortodestructo 20 points21 points ago

Yeah, like that'll ever happen.

Sometimes I wish they really would secede.

[–]greenjelibean 12 points13 points ago

All we have to do is forget the alamo.

[–]FatCat433 -1 points0 points ago

Relevant maybe...

[–]heebejeebes -1 points0 points ago

Thats the wrong flag for the Texans btw back then we weren't part of America yet

http://www.50states.com/flag/txflag.htm

[–]WhopperNoPickles 2 points3 points ago

I live in texas and smith is a huge gun advocator. No surprise there.

However, he's still a douche and needs to GTFO.

[–]DeusLoVult 0 points1 point ago

Can we NOT make this into a gun-bashing thread ffs? Love the internet. Love guns.

[–]WhopperNoPickles 0 points1 point ago

Oh I love guns - have two myself, so far. Haha.

Anyways, I was referring to the fact that since he's such a huge gun advocate its no surprise Texas has been keeping him in office.

[–]stellarfury 0 points1 point ago

Well, sure, but aren't gun advocates a dime-a-dozen down there? I figured NRA membership was a condition of representing the Texan people. :D

You'd think they could find somebody who'd support the right to bear arms without all the KILL THE INTERNETTTTT baggage.

[–]rosenrotvosa 0 points1 point ago

Hey, how's about you don't blame an entire state of people for one douchebag congressman. All it does is show how close-minded you are. There are a lot of people down here who strongly oppose his motives. I for one plan to help vote this asshole off his seat.

[–]claviatika 3 points4 points ago

I agree, but we do have to accept some responsibility for allowing him 8 terms worth of bullshit.

[–]Carvinrawks -1 points0 points ago

Texas seceding does two things: Makes Texas more powerful, Makes the U.S. weaker.

Because of oil industry, they have the second largest GDP in the country. We need them.

[–]webby_mc_webberson 5 points6 points ago

Well, you should have seen this coming a mile away: http://i.imgur.com/T1x2o.jpg

[–]jcc333 3 points4 points ago

sigh So much I love about TX, and so much I hate.

[–]garlicdeath 2 points3 points ago

Like the fire ants.

[–]joelfarris 1 point2 points ago

Texas does not provide for the recall of elected congressional representatives. Thus, we're all stuck with him unless he resigns in shame or chokes on a legislative paper clip or something drastic. In the meantime, keep beating him back at every opportunity.

[–]ambethia 10 points11 points ago

He's up for re-election this year. With part of his district including a portion of Austin, one of the only "safe" places for liberals in Texas, it's not out of the question for his nearly three decade reign to end.

[–]Iamdarb 3 points4 points ago

It'd be nice to see Texan redditors vote him out.

[–]SpacedAlien 1 point2 points ago

This is a map of his district. As you can see the bulk of it is rural and only a very small part of it touches Austin. I live in Austin and this guy's not my rep (Lloyd Dogget FTW). Unfortunately, rural Texas is very conservative and it's highly unlikely he'll get unseated. I think the best case scenario is that bad publicity from this bill and SOPA will prevent him from being taken seriously in Congress and his ability to introduce legislation will decrease considerably.

[–]Torgamous 0 points1 point ago

So all we need to do is move to Kerrville, then?

[–]Redorb 0 points1 point ago

Pretty sure the gerrymandering got ruled unconstitutional and they've completely changed the layout of the district.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/21/us/supreme-court-rejects-judge-drawn-maps-in-texas-redistricting-case.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

[–]SpacedAlien 1 point2 points ago

The lower court has to redraw the districting lines now so it's still up in the air what the district lines will be. If the legislature gets their way, Smith could end up with a much larger portion of Travis County than he has now, to the detriment of Austin. He would no doubt retain a large rural constituency, likely diluting the votes coming from Austin.

[–]scoofy 0 points1 point ago

He is my rep... i've already convinced my entire family and family friends in his district to vote against him in the upcoming primary (which apparently will never happen because of the big map flap that is happening). So even if he keeps his fucking gerrymandered to hell seat... Redditors are trying to end this.

[–]Nomad_GSF 3 points4 points ago

He's never going to stop.

Lamar Smith hates the internet.

[–]Nanoo_1972 10 points11 points ago

No, Lamar Smith LOVES his slush fund from the MPAA and the RIAA.

[–]Geminifaerie 1 point2 points ago

Some just cannot get a hint.

[–]webby_mc_webberson 2 points3 points ago

I bet he's good at getting paid though.

[–]WolfInTheField 0 points1 point ago

There's already a pretty big post about it up as we speak, so probably never. But hey, everything for the cause.

[–]mindeavor 11 points12 points ago

This post title seriously needs some work. Important issue, but bad awareness marketing.

[–]suuuper_b 0 points1 point ago

I like this sentiment, but a better title would be...?

[–]Dante8411 5 points6 points ago

Fight HR 1981! Oppose the Lamar Smith anti-privacy bill here.

[–]ooglyjoogly 9 points10 points ago

This is fucking ridiculous. How are we supposed to continue to combat this corruption? We need an army of Wikileaks supporters and contributors to weed it out of our government. Massive government reform needs to happen right now or we all fail. We've lost our rights, we've lost a fair judicial system. We know the drug war needs to end, our government doesn't give a shit though because their damn paychecks from doing it. We need to stop world-wide wars, we are targets because we are the terrorists that remove human and civil rights from people. Our country doesn't even remotely match what it was designed to be by our forefathers. There's no fucking integrity in this shit-scam of a country. Capitalism could have worked, but those damn idiots think about themselves and their immediate gratification instead of the life they lead, what follows, or why the life we share as a society today is the biggest and most pathetic shit stain in the world. Fuck corporate government, fuck group think, fuck these excuses, fuck these horrible motives and bribery controlling every fucking aspect of our government (it's not the 80's any more and coke still isn't legal)... You know damn well it is our job as a race to make our lives more sustainable, to make all of us more successful, more intelligent and therefore more powerful. People deserve the right to their lives, to own the work they do, THE FUCKING RIGHT TO INFORMATION. Lives are saved and will continue to be saved every day as long as information is free across the world. Censorship dooms everyone, not just people that pirate, provide documentation proving government corruption, or say bad things about their own government. Everyone loses if ACTA goes through, if SOPA in any new form goes through, this dumb ass data retention bullshit.

I'm sorry to admit this, but I'm starting to worry that our government's will force society to overthrow them with any means necessary... we're been trying to win this in a non-violent, super-democratic manner and we're being imprisoned, tortured, killed, ignored by the system and will continue to suffer the rest of our lives if we don't win this very real war very soon. There isn't much time left to turn this around.

[–]DingJones 1 point2 points ago

Fuck smiley glad-hands with hidden agendas...

[–]nursepolitica 3 points4 points ago

STOP HR 1981. This is not the McCarthy era! Also stop pushing this country towards a POLICE STATE.

[–]Wineblue2 8 points9 points ago

These corporate lackeys need to ALL get voted out of office! They do NOT represent the best interests of WE THE PEOPLE!

[–]Moples 5 points6 points ago

An amendment to undo the Citizens United vs FEC ruling would also be a good start.

[–]redditor26 1 point2 points ago

[–]epicar 6 points7 points ago

HR 1981? More like 1984.

[–]LeegoMyEgo 5 points6 points ago

no hint of irony in lamar smith's 'on the issues' section of his website where he says, "Science and technology are critical to national security, economic strength, and quality health care. We must make the necessary investments in basic research and science education to ensure that the United States remains the world’s leader in technology and innovation." Pfft.

[–]ghostslinger 3 points4 points ago

It's on. I'm tired of these insults.

[–]jackalbride 3 points4 points ago

Just getting more and more disgusting, isn't it? Let's nuke this nonsensical legislation and shut this guy down hard.

[–]war5cry 1 point2 points ago

What a tragedy that our politicians are such self-serving scum. I'm not a member of any political party but every time I see something like this I'm reminded of the old saying that goes "It's easy to hate politicians but it's easiest to hate Republicans". I agree with "CardsLafter" - if we don't raise our voices, who will?

[–]Dshana26 1 point2 points ago

If this bill passes everyone should immediately terminate their Internet service providers switching back to old dial up Internet services in protest of that bill. The amount of money that will be lost will be a wake up all to all ISP's if they cooperate and the government as well.

[–]unclejohnnie 0 points1 point ago

I'll start up a BBS ;)

[–]dskwerl 1 point2 points ago

Why is it that Lamar Smith is still a member of congress?

[–]VerilyAMonkey 0 points1 point ago

Texas.

[–]dskwerl 0 points1 point ago

That pretty much sums it up.

[–]MerolaC 3 points4 points ago

MOTHERFUCKER Lamar Smith. BURN IN HELL

[–]dannydale 0 points1 point ago

Send him there.

[–]redditforgotaboutme 2 points3 points ago

This needs to be on the front page.

[–]cathy23 1 point2 points ago

STOP IT-!, We don't want this-!!

[–]toworkortoreddit 1 point2 points ago

Raise awareness of HR 1981..it is the only way to survive this attack.

[–]internet_dragon 4 points5 points ago

Hollywood should make a movie based off this.

Oh wait.

[–]jclark5093 0 points1 point ago

Give him a couple more tries. HR1984 is sure to be what he's looking for.

[–]Ardenl 0 points1 point ago

Any time you go out, to the store, to an office, to the bar, talk it up and tell them to email their Congressmen with a NO to HR1981

[–]777pokefan12 0 points1 point ago

the bill should die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[–]CadideVoltaire 0 points1 point ago

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it's natural manure." - Thomas Jefferson

[–]Moples 1 point2 points ago

Why aren't the down voters leaving any rationale for their votes? Is this what reddit is normally like?

[–]PossiblyTheDoctor 0 points1 point ago

Yes.

[–]cyberjar09 0 points1 point ago

The Master Switch by Tim Wu comes to mind..

[–]inyri 1 point2 points ago

How interesting. A politician who hates the thought that somebody, somewhere might still want to vote for him.

[–]gzrecoil 1 point2 points ago

I know some of you are getting sick of this, but please help stop this bill!

[–]cappsie 0 points1 point ago

The internet is the last frontier of freedom and hope; those in power should not be trusted nor should they be allowed to control our freedom - be that freedom of speech, freedom to choose, freedom to think.

Support everything that does not support the destruction of freedom. Keep your voice, don't lose your mind.

[–]rbfree 0 points1 point ago

This legislation is pernicious. Please oppose HR 1981.

[–]SokPuppet 0 points1 point ago

Who would down vote this? or I guess a better question is WHY would anyone down vote this?

[–]atlast23 0 points1 point ago

Weird and self-righteous from Texas. I'm Shocked.

Smith is not the first, but please let him be the last. NO new Texans

[–]zfriderici 0 points1 point ago

We did it once. Why not again? Maybe after a few times the govt. will get the idea that it does function for the people.

[–]kkocses 0 points1 point ago

the last threads of democracy will not be broken

[–]clickerman 0 points1 point ago

Primero...oh, dang it!

[–]girifox 0 points1 point ago

How do we take action?

[–]llhaskell 0 points1 point ago

This assclown needs to stop. Does he even know how to find the internet? Toss my two cents in...

[–]guykanon 0 points1 point ago

Does the average Texan approve of this sort of crap?

While the rest of us bust our backs with real jobs, these jack-holes are relentlessly accumulating power and eroding our rights.

They're selling lies, and when the majority buys them, we all pay with our freedoms and prosperity.

They are exploiting the fear & willful ignorance of the masses. If planet Earth is a ship, then I am on a ship of fools.

[–]missbangle 0 points1 point ago

I don't know about the majority of Texans, but those of us from Austin are pissed as all get out.

[–]unclejohnnie 0 points1 point ago

I can say that the people I deal with daily here in the DFW metroplex are by far some of the most ignorant, narrow-minded, selfish jetsetters I've ever seen in my life. I've actually had conversations with family members about our military presence around the world and how wrong it is and seriously got a response that was along the lines of "AMERICA! FUCK YEAH!" It's a sad and selfish state of affairs down here in the south. I'm ready to jump ship.

[–]Massnight69 0 points1 point ago

This bill is worst than PIPA and SOPA combined which would be even worst.Anyone else here think the "new" congress is abusin their power?

[–]Benjamin108 1 point2 points ago

A free, safe, open internet is essential to the future of our world.

Do not let the short sited and greedy bring about even one shred of doom.

[–]Innomen 0 points1 point ago

One step forward, two steps back. The plan is simple. Offer up bill after lunatic bill, and then offer up one only mildly horrific, and everyone jumps at the "compromise." Statecraft 101.

[–]greyeagle56 -1 points0 points ago

for cryin out loud, will these jokers with the "hitler complexes" just give it a rest. It's not only this Smith nut, but there are others as well that are goin along with him. I agree that the best thing to do is beat these bills down and then vote the nut cases out of office at the first opportunity. IMHO I truly think the whole shebang needs to be cleaned out, put some new blood in there and I totally agree that there should be term limits on all public offices.

[–]joecascio 0 points1 point ago

BTW, is there any kind of movement in Texas to oust this fascist corporate toady Lamar Smith from office? We need to get his ass out of Washington. Him and a few more like him.

[–]lkap 0 points1 point ago

Every time with different name SOPA,ACTA HR 1981,Thats getting annoying.Their madness to control the whole world is sick.They have serious brain issues

[–]duder9000 0 points1 point ago

I'm on a mailing list that conveniently presents me petitions to sign - I just got one that said:

"You can vote up a Reddit post on the bill by clicking here."

[–]Livn 0 points1 point ago

Please oppose this Bill, maybe you need to look at hiring some smarter geeks to come up with a plan that will actually work. Maybe longer prison sentences with some kind of rehab

[–]marinermanic 1 point2 points ago

Let's do to Lamar Smith what we did to SOPA.

[–]overlordzebadiah 0 points1 point ago

We really need to get these proposals abolished. This is as ridiculous as trying to band all handguns because criminals use them. The bottom line is that criminals will still get guns even if law abiding citizens can't. Just like criminals will always do illegal things online. There are ways to hide those things and criminals will always use them to do so.

With snooping laws all that will happen is some good people, people who mean no harm to others, will be scrutinized further. have less freedom, and get fined or imprisoned for very minor things. In my opinion the only webpages that need any form of regulation are sketchy sales and things that directly threaten individual lives or threaten national security, not the teen next door who downloaded a CD without paying for it, not the naive person that clicked on a link to illegal gambling.

[–]traciller 0 points1 point ago

This is ridiculous. They must really want to get into our private lives if they're pushing these things so hard and so fast. Staying vigilant is key, though. We have to stay alert and get the word out every single time they try to get something like this done, mobilize, organize, activate to stop these atrocious attempts to invade our privacy.

[–]trolleyfan 0 points1 point ago

Yeah. Let's put all our information in one, easy to hack place. What could go wrong with that?

[–]bitemore 0 points1 point ago

Lamar Smith is so full of himself he doesn't understand the harm he is doing. Grrrr! I signed the petition to stop it. Or try to.

[–]PanzaDeIxax 0 points1 point ago

"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." —Thomas Jefferson As long as there are interests that want to infringe on Internet freedom, we are going to need to battle them. I choose to be free. I signed the petition.

[–]Steegyjobs 0 points1 point ago

:))))

[–]EquanimousMind 0 points1 point ago

I think this is a great idea. We need to make it clear that free speech is the foundation of our strength both in irl and online; and we won't accept them using anti-terrorism, anti-piracy or anti-CP excuses to censor the net anywhere.

But I think they will keep trying, they will send bill after bill. Its going to be an eternal fight.

The price of liberty is eternal vigilance

this is why I've created a meta activist sub called /r/evolutionreddit . I've seen too many good Reddit OPs get buried after a few days. You might get front page today; but next week its going to be really hard for you to keep getting coverage and draw new blood. So once you have your OP up and running, make sure you join /r/evolutionreddit and submit your new sub. I'm going to build a list on the sidebar so it's easy to find OPs and stuff!

I've written more about what RR is about here. Good luck! And KEEP FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT!!

[–]berkut47 0 points1 point ago

It's appalling how they want to do this. Such a violation of privacy. I don't see why people who are not even suspected of criminal activities would need to be monitored and have their information logged. Imagine if these servers got hacked into, everyone's information would be ripe for stealing.

[–]kshkval 0 points1 point ago

I'm going to vote. Not in Texas tho.

[–]leftHandedGrenade 0 points1 point ago

More like HR 1984 :I

[–]unclejohnnie 0 points1 point ago

LOL. Is this post being infiltrated by congress? I mean I can't imagine either side of the bipartisan retard continuum actually downvoting this.

[–]eyesaid 0 points1 point ago

If this crap passes we need to make sure anyone that voted for it is not reelected.

[–]ochta -1 points0 points ago

Sorry, but there's no way I'm going to call a public official who has close ties to the justice department to oppose an anti child pornography bill. I'd rather not end up on any lists.

[–]unclejohnnie 0 points1 point ago

Paranoid much? This isn't an anti child pornography bill. It's certainly being masqueraded as such, but the reality is, this is another attempt on your personal freedoms. I don't think that waiving your 4th amendment right to protection against search and seizure without probable cause in return for staying off of a watch list is a very sound trade.

Besides, you don't have to call or do anything excessive. You don't even need eloquent speech. DemandProgress does all the work for you. You click a button and they send a considerate e-mail on your behalf to your congressperson(s).

[–]ThrowingChicken 0 points1 point ago

I'd tell him, again, but his name is Lamar Smith and he doesn't give a shit.

[–]Mobidad 0 points1 point ago

I can't tell my rep anything, he co-sponsored the bill :(

[–]ajabudda -1 points0 points ago

When does this idiot Lamar stop!!! Hope he gets voted out of office....maybe the mpaa will hire him to replace Chris Dodd.

[–]harlows_monkeys 0 points1 point ago

Or you could read the bill and find out what it actually does.

[–]ymmuyqbb 0 points1 point ago

This inappropriately named bill should be rejected due to its Orwellian data gathering on ordinary citizens. Ignoring "innocent until proven guilty", it requires storing of personal details for undefined future uses. This is an extension of the un-american patriot act, and is an insult to all Americans.

The worst part is the inclusion of child pornography in the title. The bill's goal is to give the bureaucrats and corporate shills in Washington control of free speech on the internet. It has nothing to do with child pornography. It is a disgusting insult to victims of child sexual abuse to champmion bullshit campaigns under the guise of preventing abuse.

The bill is morally repugnant, and should be voted against!

[–]MaNbEaRpIgSlAyA 0 points1 point ago

It is election year. I can't wait to see good ole' Lamar taken out of office. Government scum...

[–]wolfess22854 0 points1 point ago

This is pure crap! It's an invasion of MY privacy and if they pass it, I may as well be living in China or Russia.....cuz they are slowly taking away what makes THIS country great!!!

[–]ScientificInquisitor 0 points1 point ago*

(TLDR: What happened to our principals damnit?)

As much as I'm offended by the notion that our politicians think that this behavior is befitting of a leading world power, I can't help but love the irony of it all considering our stance on China, Iran and the umptillion other countries that regulate their populace's access to data and or track their data consumption.

I ask, what happened to our country? Our country used to have principals, our country used to exemplify progress and hard work, our country rallied behind scientific rigor and academic accomplishments and put an American on the moon damnit! Since when did we become a country that demonizes it's own people? Shouldn't we aspire to become a country with a government /of/ the people, instead of being separate from the people.

The creation of an internet had been the crowning accomplishment of the 20th century, it's proliferation has spawned possibly the most well educated population in history. The current anonymity of this technology has enabled citizens in war torn countries to report tyranny and brutality that would otherwise go unheard due to fear of retaliation. What possible benefit could be gained by allowing the government to have knowledge of every piece of mail, every magazine, every advertisement, every tv show, every politically incorrect video you saw, let alone your purchasing habits, credit card numbers etc.

The sole concept of any of Mr. Lamar Smith's bills thus far are beyond insulting to everything we as Americans stand for, if we have even a shred of dignity left for where we came from, how our great nation was forged, we will knock down this and every subsequent attempt to turn us into government dependent sheep.

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[–]Inkyeyes 0 points1 point ago

crazy snooping not allowed!

[–]hdantman 0 points1 point ago

I'm from Texas, and I'm also very economically conservative, socially libertarian. I'd love for Lamar Smith to get booted out of our state. I'd also do anything I could to oppose this ignorant, unconstitutional, regressive, foolish bill. Unfortunately, I'm not a part of his district, so I can't even email him on his site. Ridiculous. Term limits for all politicians is the best thing we can do for our country.

[–]casey3307 1 point2 points ago

Where is the petition?

[–]forevertruth 0 points1 point ago

THE REPUBLITARDS PREACH ABOUT GETTING THE GOVERNMENT OFF OUR BACKS, BUT BEHIND CLOSED DOORS ALL THEY CONNIVING ABOUT IS HOW TO MAKE THE GOVERNMENT INTRUDE IN OUR PRIVATE LIVES. F REPUBLITARDS AND ALL POLITICIANS WHO THINK IT'S OK FOR GOVERNMENT OR CORPORATIONS TO ENSLAVE PEOPLE.

[–]Wontoncookie 0 points1 point ago

Children are $ 10.00 for 3 at Target.

[–]CodeFire 0 points1 point ago

This bill needs to die, fast.

[–]mycroft16 0 points1 point ago

Don't forget the nearly identical Senate version under the same name. S.1308 is the bill number. Sadly, it is sponsored by my very own Senator Hatch. Oh, he'll be getting repeated earfuls from me.

[–]BlueIzumi 0 points1 point ago

I agree with CardsLafter!! I've already had hackers steal a whole bunch of my stuff or try to... I really am not pro having my personal information being served up to people in other countries an hackers an anyone who wants to steal it on a platter.... The hackers I had were the people who hacked the paypal web page itself paypal denies it but it was on www.paypal.com NOW! That is an example of how easy it is to get your personal info an this nasty person is just making it worse... Forget you selfish person go find another way to get your second pool... I don't see you donating to people who need it so I have no interest in your words.. To get yourself more money.....

[–]TheoX747 0 points1 point ago

Calling it "Protecting children from internet pornography"... what a scumbag thing to do. Makes opposition look like they support CP or something. Lamar Smith deserves to be trampled by camels.

[–]MeteorPhoenix 1 point2 points ago

I contacted my representative in Congress, who cosponsored it. My non-voting, single representative in a 435 member House.

:(

[–]ChadStudley 0 points1 point ago

I wouldn't be surprised if all this doggone horse shit ends in revolution.

[–]e10kpro 0 points1 point ago

Dislike

[–]chucknorrisismyson 0 points1 point ago

This is what happens when you have a crazy rogue House rep who is completely out of touch with reality.

[–]Rufert 0 points1 point ago

Reading the comments makes me believe nobody has done any research into the bill.

[–]Missouri_Mom 0 points1 point ago

You have to constantly keep on top of what these crazy right wing politicians are doing, and the internet is the best way to do it. That is why these attempts to control the internet are so scary, so dangerous. And I agree that the 18-24 (and 25-40) crowd are much more apathetic about what's going on than the older generation (I'm 62 and I post more political information on facebook than most of my nieces and nephews). If we don't watch what's going on, and let our senators and representatives know that WE KNOW what they're up to and don't approve, and then follow this up by VOTING, we're going to let this country get set back a hundred years. We're going to lose a lot of things that we take for granted (like privacy) and consider to be "rights". And by the way, I have signed the petition against the Lamar Smith bill. I hope you all have, too. (And I've urged my 89 year old mother to take action, as well...just because we're over 55 doesn't mean we are conservative IDIOTS).

[–]armyofnon 0 points1 point ago

This is just the beginning of a way for the forces that control our gov't to make us to pay for our own data storage. The ISP's will simply pass the cost on to us. The gov already has huge data stores, but the cost to maintain plus grow it is getting out of hand (check out: http://www.hereinreality.com/bigbrother.html ). Additionally, they can uncover stuff with their own spying that they want to pursue, but can't do so without revealing the sources/systems used to uncover it in court. (GASP, we don't spy on our own population, do we?) This will allow them to legally pursue people that don't qualify for a hit squad and a trip to gitmo while keeping those dark systems out of the public eye.

[–]stevescrutton 1 point2 points ago

This bill should not be allowed to pass

[–]todaysrubbish 1 point2 points ago

Lamar Smith wants to track all the kids at once like an omnipotent child molester.

[–]kittycookie 1 point2 points ago

This bill should not pass simple as that.

[–]anemptybeach 0 points1 point ago

Can someone (preferably someone who is not wearing a tinfoil hat) post a link to the bill and explain succinctly and objectively why it is a bad thing?

I would do so myself but I'm unaware of the bill and consequently I'm not impassioned the way some people are on here, they clearly understand this to a degree and from a perspective that I don't.

Help a brother out?

[–]dannybaker1992 0 points1 point ago

they need to stop and start focusing on more important things like paying back the national debt!!!

[–]bryjay41 0 points1 point ago

it is all about tne money. Every bill that gets passed, proposed, or does not pass is all about how it lines the pockets of the politicians or the millionaires that put/keep the politicians in power. This is another attempt to keep someone rich and a way to divert attention from the true issues that affect every red blooded American. Should we really be fighting over the internet or should we knock out the true issues facing this country such as health care, the ecomony, education and jobs. Let's turn down this one and move on.

[–]librarianalso 1 point2 points ago

Wisconsin Recall Scott Walker, too.

[–]Ozera 0 points1 point ago

Can someone please tell me where in the bill it says it will store credit-card info and such? Please?

[–]SpamBuster3305 0 points1 point ago

HEY I RESEMBLE THAT REMARK.

The disease is a hyperactive voting demographic of technologically-impaired retirees who think the internet is something new and scary

By the way it unfortunate that you have employed name calling... The real issue is getting to this demographic the real NEWS and Information so they can make an accurate decision. Please remember one very important thing about the demographic.

They were the ones who lived through the 1950's and 1960's with the nuclear, Communism/Red scare and live be the principle of Truth, God, and the American way. 

These blackouts made national news and made lots of people start talking which is how change is made. Don't for one minute fall into the trap that you and everyone else's efforts were in vain.

You moved things a lot farther then you thought!!

If you stay focused on the prize, keep on keeping on you will win. George Washington even at the height of the war to be free from England and it's squashing crushing hold continued on, even with multiple defeats, pledging everything! Their fortunes, including families, houses, cash...everything... and didn't complain publicly but I'm sure he privately was hoping that they made the right decision... we looking back through the rear view only see the incredible victory! Thus I rest my case Keep on Keeping on, you haven't had to give up anything in a major way so this future victory is only a referendum! That Freedom is worth fighting for Even Today and not everyone will be on board or even agree with us, but the more we do towards change without complaining or name calling but staying on the issues will only allow all of us to realize this Victory

[–]Nif49 0 points1 point ago

Although, I absolutely abhor the idea of any kind of child exploitation whatsoever, this Bill goes way past the point of protecting our children from harms way. It is an outright invasion of privacy guaranteed under the Constitution as it was written 250 years ago. I believe passing this Bill would also prove to be an open median for hackers to commit identity theft of all the personal information stored in the data bases.

[–]Zaileion 0 points1 point ago

all i have to say is this. FIGHT THE POWER!!! The Republicans and Corporations, as they currently exist, are a joke and should be removed from society completely.

[–]frzndesserts 0 points1 point ago

finally a place where information can be exchanged immediately! And those in charge can be held somewhat accountable! This is what the Internet is about! To permit the goverment,individuals or corporations to censor the collective individual is the only way to keep their agenda of control in place!

[–]sc27racer 0 points1 point ago

Lamar Smith is up for reelection in 2014. I'm a Republican -- but some issues transcend party and this is one. Smith carries water over and over for the worst element in Hollywood and he needs to be stopped. Although I don't live in TX, I plan to support his strongest challenger in 2014, specifically over his repeated attempts to attack our individual rights on the Internet. If that means sending a check to a Democrat, so be it.

[–]jorhett -1 points0 points ago

This bill is not SOPA. As a matter of fact, this legislation is something that is desperately needed to bring people responsible for not just child porn, but hate crimes and abusive attacks against organizations to justice.

You don't have to believe me, but certainly don't believe the mischaracterizations above. Read it for yourself. The entire bill is only two pages.

I wrote up a detailed review of the bill and why it is something you should support at http://www.jorhett.com/2012/02/how-to-improve-hr1981/

[–]Innovatorsworldwide 0 points1 point ago*

It's the underlining part of the bill that matters, it's because MY personal information will be held for 18 months, and I have done NOTHING wrong, a nation should not suffer for the mistakes & issues of the few.

Same with SOPA, SOPA had "good intentions" but the outcome was a censored internet, the outcome was large & small website owners/business closing down for linking to copyrighted material, Look at the impact of megauploads shut down, I can no longer share any file (legitimate) on any of my favorite file lockers/sharing sites, Fileserve, Filesonic * alike have clammed up and changed entire policies, how long do you think before these companies in existence for so long will shut down, I don't want to use a locker/sharing site that I can't share with, defeats the purpose, which means this one site take down has essentially effected the internet.

It's not so much the bill, it's the impact, There are many ways to protect children & hate crimes, but I don't see how storing the entire U.S populations personal information is one of them, It's essentially a invasion of my privacy and the privacy of the entire U.S population, I cannot agree with it, I do however agree that " “A direct assault on Internet users” " , It's not odd that these proposals are from the same seat? The man who says " I don't understand the technology behind it" is continuously proposing bills to effect the internet.

Let's look at the other other side, Can this bill be used to prevent internet piracy as well? Of course it can, so it's 2 fold, if they want to build a case against you or a company, all they have to do is view your information and know where you went, and if it's copyright infringement, they have a case, you don't think the information gathered will be used for other purposes under the guise of one? Seems a little naive to me (no offense) .

"It doesn’t take away their rights, or their privacy. " - How does it not take away privacy?

However, if it is used for it's claimed purpose, I cannot argue it, however , I feel there is a underlining purpose.

[–]Idwal 0 points1 point ago

You advocate prosecution of "Hate Speech"?

Isn't that... the entire internet? GDIAF

[–]saiyansecret 1 point2 points ago

To be honest I'm not at all into politics, but now people like me don't have the choice anymore. History repeats itself while passing under the noses of the most educated people. Do you remember how the gov't stole the land from the "Injuns" & then did the exact same thing to the pioneers? That has never changed, only evolved, with new cyber-cowboys out to ruin the internet & the 1st amendment with it. Who's going to stop the evil powers that be now, a masked cyber-Zorro who will save the day before riding off into the sunset?

[–]Idwal 0 points1 point ago

Masked... check.

Extralegal... check.

Cyber... check.

I believe you are referring to Anonymous, yes?

Zorro merely encourages the people to stand up for themselves. Viva la Hivemind.

[–]icecld2 -1 points0 points ago

Let's do to HR 1981 what we did to SOPA.

[–]gbever 0 points1 point ago

This guy sucks. Nomad_GSF says Lamar Smith hates the internet. I think he hates privacy...

[–]Goggles2114 1 point2 points ago

Why does he keep doing this? He's well aware that he's probably a lame duck now but his phat retirement package is dependent on pleasing the corporate masters, which hasn't been done yet.

[–]damage00 1 point2 points ago

113 down votes? Really?! Who are you people?!

[–]PossiblyTheDoctor 0 points1 point ago

Lamar Smith.

[–]Creatrixsblood 1 point2 points ago

Whoever has given this a down vote needs to be flogged and have a block placed on their account until they come to their senses.

[–]oliverseal 4 points5 points ago

If this bill passes, we could possibly find out who they are. :)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

STOP DISAGREEING WITH ME!!!

[–]Feisl 0 points1 point ago

Can we lynch him yet?

[–]indyguy -1 points0 points ago*

Edit: Why the downvotes? If I'm wrong, prove it.

Everyone needs to calm down and actually read the bill. It's not very long, and if you read it you'd see that most of what's being said about it is just baseless sensationalism.

The part that's got everyone up in arms is Section 4. That section provides:

(a) IN GENERAL.—Section 2703 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following: ‘‘(h) RETENTION OF CERTAIN RECORDS.— ‘‘(1) A commercial provider of an electronic com- munication service shall retain for a period of at least one year a log of the temporarily assigned network addresses the provider assigns to a subscriber to or customer of such service that enables the identification of the corresponding customer or subscriber information under subsection (c)(2) of this section.

‘‘(2) Access to a record or information required to be retained under this subsection may not be compelled by any person or other entity that is not a governmental entity."

In other words, the bill amends a pre-existing portion of the U.S. code to add a requirement that ISPs keep track of the IP addresses they assign to users. Many ISPs already do this as a matter of internal policy, and the bill simply makes it a statutory requirement.

There is nothing in the bill about keeping track of browser histories or credit card numbers. That stuff is actually contained in 18 USC section 2703(c), which is already in effect and has been since 2009. Basically, section 2703(c) says that under certain circumstances your ISP has to work with the government to help figure out what personal information is associated with what IP address. And contrary to what everyone seems to be saying, the government can't just get this information on a whim. Section 2703(a) makes clear that the government can get this information "only pursuant to a warrant issued using the procedures described in the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure" (if it's less than 180 days old) or through a court order or subpoena (it it's more than 180 days old).

[–]Rufert 0 points1 point ago

I'm not sure why you're getting down votes either. I've even gone further and started reading the sections of the US Code it is modifying. *Section 1 is the title. That should be easy enough to understand.

*Section 2 adds a new section numbered 1960A to Chapter 95 of title 18. All that says is if you knowingly take part in any transaction that facilitates the sale or transfer of child porn, you're breaking the law and are subject to the penalties.

*Section 3 just adds lines to Section 1956, Chapter 95, Title 18.

*Section 4 is quoted above already. Although it continues to say a study must be done to determine the financial impact the bill would have on the commercial provider.

The rest of it is nothing but language changes and sentencing, but mostly language changes.

[–]kazeari -1 points0 points ago

Sigh, why why why!?! Stop it with these bills!

[–]gilbertnorrell 0 points1 point ago

Whats funny is he admitted to not using of the internet almost at all

[–]creepycrawler 0 points1 point ago

If only this were HR 1984. The ironing would be delicious.

[–]Skreetgil -1 points0 points ago

What about the GOP "less government" schpeel?

I guess it's ok to get the government to intrude into a woman's body, sexuality and the internet.

I don't think so!

[–]Audiophial 0 points1 point ago

For the record we need to work harder on cockblocking this bill. HR 1981 should not be allowed to get any action.

Time to spread the word.

[–]Pearlpro -1 points0 points ago

The Internet snoops, NSA/CIA and Big Brother wont quit, Face it there not happy when people can find a way to gather, communicate and formet IDEAS...OMG IDEAS...they want to lump us all together as Hackers, KIDS, SCRIPT KIDDIES and so forth, its just people who care about Privacy and being able to share there concerns even about THE GOVERNMENT, Lamar isnt alone and we need to do exactly whats been done before, MILLIONS OF VOTERS send a simple message, NO BILL that restricts my right to free use and communications on the internet will pass, and if necessary then a large scale Internet blackout not of the kind dear Anon does, but a peaceful representation of THE PEOPLE, Saying LEAVE OUR INTERNET ALONE. Governement Fears the Will of the People, and were not Communists, But Educators, Teachers, Students, Home makers, Lawyers, Doctors, etc etc...we want a Bill protecting free speech and the Internet, and Lamar your bill wont pass, a snake is a snake even camouflaged as a Bill, its poison to the Free will andspeech of WE THE PEOPLE !!!

[–]bestbenwade 0 points1 point ago

It's a "women's" book, but read "Reading Lollita in Tehran" for how bad censorship can get. We need to stop it now!

[–]catfish252 -1 points0 points ago

What ever happened to the America that was all about protecting it's citizen's rights instead of invading them? Where do all of these politicians come from that they're only desire is to limit the freedoms that we enjoy. Their only intention is to rob it's citizen's of our guaranteed rights under the U.S. Constitution. There is only one way to fix it -- vote them all out of office, we also need to put term limits into place for ALL elected officials, the longer they are in office the more corrupt and power crazy they seem to get.

[–]EdShea4 -1 points0 points ago

i officially hate this guy. sopa was more of a "meh, hes a jackass." now its serious. tear him down.

[–]DeBalT 0 points1 point ago

Dude this guy

[–]Thievishmetal 0 points1 point ago

aah bro this guy, just dude, right?

[–]ras100 0 points1 point ago

Lamar Smith introduced SOPA but never got it out of committee. But earlier in the year he introduced crazy snooping bill HR 1981 and passed out of committee -- before the Internet woke up to these threats. Let's do to HR 1981 what we did to SOPA.

[–]StoopidFlanders 0 points1 point ago

As a muslim terrorist intent on destroying America, I and islam agree with your comment.

[–]Torgamous 1 point2 points ago

See, even the Muslims think this bill is going too far. Why does Lamar Smith think this is a good idea?

[–]DrekiDegga 0 points1 point ago

209 down votes?? some people...

We have to keep up the good work. This isn't over yet, and it wont be for a while.