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[–]epickeychange 604 points605 points ago

This is a protest I can really get behind. Only problem is, I've been protesting for years now. Living under the poverty line = FIGHT THE POWER

[–]1ninjaplus2ninjas 341 points342 points ago

I work for a major Hollywood studio and I entirely support this notion. I'd like to clarify one thing though about how this business works: 99% of us hate SOPA/PIPA, just a select few moguls at the top support it. Also, EVERYONE on the creative side out here wants to make better movies than The Green Lantern. Problem is, the financiers that back the productions don't want to invest in a risky art film. They would rather put their money into a sure thing, like fucking Twilight.

[–]zohmg 147 points148 points ago

I work for a major broadcasting company and it is amazing how many illegal files go around the offices via thumb drives and email.

[–]idontwannagetfiredyo 138 points139 points ago

Throwaway here for obvious reasons--I also work in LA for a well-known studio and the other day I shit you not they had me torrenting a bunch of files to update the new office computer. And same with copies of screeners, thumb drives, etc like zohmg said.

[–]Augustus_Trollus_III 16 points17 points ago

Screeners of their own films? wtf for?

[–]redditorfor16days 39 points40 points ago

i know that trey parker and matt stone said they started southparkstudios because they kept having to pirate their old episodes to check references and continuity.

[–]TellMeYMrBlueSky 13 points14 points ago

I would love a source on that. That cracks me up.

[–]DafyddCymraeg 2 points3 points ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgwdVk41TPU&feature=related

In this, they don't mention what you're talking about; but they talk about they how they're more than comfortable with people pirating south park.

[–]traxzilla 33 points34 points ago

He never said it was for their own films. If it were, I would guess maybe because it's easier to use the existing pirate distribution network rather than developing, securing, and maintaining their own.

Disclaimer: I don't work in Hollywood and I have no idea what I'm talking about.

[–]Audiovore 8 points9 points ago

Just had an idea. CEO version of 'I don't know what I'm doing' Dog... Window office, perhaps cigar...

[–]CineSuppa 4 points5 points ago

As a CEO, I green light this.

You'll get a copy, credit and meals.

[–]orbitvapor 16 points17 points ago

So they were stealing software to update their computers instead of paying for it? And then they go and bitch at us for using torrents. Fuck Hollywood. We don't need them or their shitty movies.

[–]noPENGSinALASKA 4 points5 points ago

Do as I say not as I do.

[–]Zenephis 25 points26 points ago

I work for digital content distribution and you would not believe how many people have been fired here for that exact same thing.

Also almost all of us here are against it as well. Even though I support the downfall of the two bills (hopefully they won't end up in the back of the child porn bill) we never talk about it at work. Just in case they are listening. Shhh, I can hear them coming.

[–]jaroberts24 28 points29 points ago

I also work in the business and I fully support this too .... It's our fault ('our' as in us, the consumers) for spending money on the garbage they keep feeding us.... movies and television ... the Green Lanterns and the Twilights and the Kardashians and the crummy remakes of movies already made or the unnecessary sequel/prequels and all the other crap we buy and watch and talk about and spread like a virus is made because it's easier and just as (if not more) profitable to make and yet we still suck it up like the good, little, gullible consumers we are.

[–]CineSuppa 7 points8 points ago

It's a double-edged sword. Studios are slowly starting to realize not everyone wants to see "Rock'em Sock'em Robots: The Movie" or "That Actor is Too Old to be Doing This Shit". But as incestuous as the industry is, it's hard to push new ideas, as they have no information on how it will perform.

In the mean time, mediocre film sales tell them all the information they need. Audiences would rather see "Big Mommas: Like Father Like Son" than "Children of Men".

[–]Treppid 2 points3 points ago

Man.... I liked "Rock'em Sock'em Robots: The Movie".

[–]AnonUhNon 21 points22 points ago

And this is exactly why this type of boycott will never work. Until people stop seeing shitty movies they will keep getting made. Reminds me of a scene from The West Wing. Most people like shitty movies. Until you can convince people that what they like is garbage, you will have no impact.

[–]morgueanna 9 points10 points ago

Actually, a boycott like this could cripple any 'good' the industry produces, as anyone willing to get behind it are educated, intelligent people who usually go to GOOD MOVIES. Which means those movies will make even less, which encourages the industry to churn out more crap.

There has to be another way.

[–]neomicron 25 points26 points ago

The Green Lantern - still a better love story than Twilight.

[–]MorleyIsFrozen 4 points5 points ago

The writers' strike really crippled hollywood for a while. I know you "99% of Hollywood" have to make a living, but is there any way that the internet could make that happen without the studios?

Also, [first] from a lurker

EDIT: someone else, today or yesterday, brought up that the studios decrease their royalties as time goes on. Boycotting the opening week of a movie would have a very real effect on Hollywood while simultaneously supporting (or maybe even helping) local theaters.

[–]RandomStranger79 13 points14 points ago

I came here to say just that. Except for working for a major studio -- I got the hell out of LA as soon as I could.

The worst part about boycotting Hollywood is it's going to hurt a lot of people who don't make much money anyhow, because it'll take away their jobs. However, if it forces the movie industry to wake up and catch up to the 21st century, it should all be worth it in the long run.

[–]R3v4n07 18 points19 points ago

"Daddy, you mean we can't have an island in the French Polynesia? No son, we could only afford an island in the pacific. Doomed to a life of semi luxury...." /southpark

[–]canadianman001 106 points107 points ago

I cant even afford an island in my kitchen.

[–]brcreeker 2 points3 points ago

I would love you to do an AMA.

[–]no-mad 14 points15 points ago

A complete boycott of an industry is a little drastic for most people to get behind. you need to build momentum with a series of small successes. Calling for a boycott that can not be maintained moves you backward. The Oscars are a really a massive hand job for the 1%. All the puff and pageantry. It is their biggest party of the year. It is a great object for boycott. Lets give them the lowest viewing numbers the Oscars have ever seen.

[–]olivermihoff 42 points43 points ago

Not a problem, as long as they keep releasing movies like The Adjustment Bureau, and the one with Adam Sandler in a dress.

[–]burgleinfernal 46 points47 points ago

I like The Adjustment Bureau :(

[–]not_really_4u 51 points52 points ago

this is the correct answer. Everyone's favorite movie is someone else's hated one, except of course for The Green Lantern. Train wreck. In fact if they had put a train wreck in it, it might have made the movie better, because all train wreck movies have the advantage of having a train wreck in them. You can take that to the bank.

[–]olivermihoff 6 points7 points ago

As supporting evidence your honor, I'd like to submit "Bucky Larson" into evidence...

With only a "9" on metacritic.com, Those that perpetrated this heinous criminal offense should get the chair: http://www.metacritic.com/movie/bucky-larson-born-to-be-a-star

I rest my case for the jury. audience gasps

[–]RandomStranger79 26 points27 points ago

The Adjustment Bureau was ok.

[–]1ninjaplus2ninjas 7 points8 points ago

Yeah the Adjustment Bureau was ok.

[–]RandomStranger79 15 points16 points ago

I saw it on the plane when I moved from the States to the UK. It was a totally enjoyable airplane movie.

[–]Stuporhero 13 points14 points ago

But not as good as Airplane!

[–]clambucket 24 points25 points ago

I have also been "protesting" due to economic reasons. Maybe part of the problem studios are having is that much of their consumer base is being priced out of seeing movies or buying dvds, and said products aren't really that good anyway. The last movie I saw in the theaters was Avatar. I was sucked in by all the hype like a pitiful mewling sheep and left feeling disappointed and cheated. Not exactly a recipe for repeat business.

[–]Jesus_Faction 20 points21 points ago

high five!

[–]kushmau5 27 points28 points ago

o/

[–]NEU_Gambino 23 points24 points ago

\o

[–]Ive_done_this_before 58 points59 points ago

°\

Greetings from Australia!

[–]InDeepWaters 47 points48 points ago

\o/

STEVE HOLT!

[–]Anaslex69 2 points3 points ago

It has no longer been a fight against these two bills but the people that sponsor it, they've tried multiple times to pass this bill in the past, they'll continue to tweak it till we agree.

We must NEVER agree.

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[–]TheDark1[S] 27 points28 points ago*

I promise I'll watch.

EDIT: If you join http://www.reddit.com/r/boycotthollywood/

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points ago

Be kind, rewind.

[–]we_need_evidence 24 points25 points ago

We could use what Louis CK did as a demostration that everyone could win if the price was right.

The problem was created by the companies themselves, they are paying way too much to well known actors and taking shitty marketing decisions that cost a lot of money, and later we have to pay.

We have to show them that the problem is not ours, it's theirs, they expect huge profits that WE PAY, this happens everywhere tough, but this time they are attacking the source of freedom and communications, they don't know how to use and are scared, and that's enough to convince a government to take it down. Fuck this shit I'm mad, ?'ll better go do someting productive.

Edit: TL;DR: Fucking companies made a lot of mistakes and can't adapt, now we have to pay!

[–]wasthecase 14 points15 points ago

louis CK's experiment only worked because he got a lot of media attention over it. I think people have already shown they're more than willing to pay for digital distribution at a reasonable price (netflix)

[–]HaysooseCreestos 7 points8 points ago

I was just thinking about this today. Instead of spending millions fighting a lost cause (piracy) I wonder what would happen if they released movies to all (worldwide, equally) in a variety of high quality formats for a reasonable price. I'd easily pay $10 for an early-ish release in 1080p with DTS surround (say, in mkv format), especially if I could use something like Bittorrent to download it. Or they could just use something like VUDU and stream early releases at a higher price (like they do now sometimes). I don't need a Blu-ray disc with all the crap on it that takes 10 minutes to load - I'd gladly pay for something I could stream.

But then think about all the forces that must be at play here - the PPV companies, the Blu-ray manufacturers, etc. I imagine that a LOT of companies would be financially hurt if the big studios started doing a lot more digital distribution.

[–]dbe 38 points39 points ago

s'ok, the ones at the theater all suck too.

[–]lajy 10 points11 points ago

Bold and edgy statement!

[–]gamelord12 5 points6 points ago

You didn't like Horrible Bosses, The Muppets, Rise of the Planet of the Apes, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2, Drive, The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo, or Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol?

[–]TheRainbowConnection 4 points5 points ago

Swede?

[–]atroxodisse 4 points5 points ago

If you Swede them Sigourney Weaver will come to your neighborhood and ruin your fun.

[–]UnsightlyBastard 2 points3 points ago

people do this already. there's actually some rather impressive non sucky ones. http://vo.do/

[–]CaptainObvious 6 points7 points ago

No one will notice the quality difference between your movies and Hollywood. If anything, people might realize you are creating new stories, not just rehashing shitty TV shows and sequels.

[–]Psykus 47 points48 points ago*

I'll play games instead of watching movies. Give your pocket money to Good Guy Gabe instead of Scumbag Rupert!

I'm not sure about Valve but many game companies are members of the BSA which has given massive support to the SOPA/PIPA bills.

EDIT: Correction: Actually the ESA/Entertainment Software Association. It's early.

[–]TheDark1[S] 10 points11 points ago*

Fair cop. I'll just read Thomas Hardy novels in a darkened room -_-

EDIT: Please subscribe to http://www.reddit.com/r/boycotthollywood/

[–]Psykus 28 points29 points ago*

Confirmed that Valve isn't a member actually. You can happily eat sandwiches in Team Fortress 2 now.

Source: http://www.theesa.com/about/members.asp

[–]mobiusWaltz 7 points8 points ago

Finally I can wear my hats in peace!

[–]JaktheAce 15 points16 points ago

Reddit has a viewership of 30 million. Maybe 1/3 of those people give even a tiny remote shit about politics. Of those 10 million, how many of them do you think are willing to give up all of their television and movie entertainment? Real answer? Less than 500,000, and these people are the most ardent about this issue and probably pirating anyway.

For the sake of argument though, let's say all 30 million redditors just stop giving any money at all to hollywood. Who cares? The entertainment industry would barely feel this hit. We are talking about an industry with an audience of a BILLION or more people. There is no way to boycott them given reddit's limited sway. This is totally unrealistic.

Beyond that, why are you getting mad at Hollywood? They are just born into a corrupt system in which you have to pay your politicians to solve your problems. Why aren't you angry about current lobbying practices and campaign finance? That is the root of all of these problems.

[–]1st_amdmnt_plaintiff 21 points22 points ago

You're forgetting something - this doesn't have to be "all of their television and movie entertainment." Most people have a fairly large DVD collection. People can swap, borrow, etc. The public library has movies that can be borrowed for free, etc. There are also foreign films, indie films, etc which aren't made by those six studios.

[–]BadEnding 14 points15 points ago

swap

borrow

public library

foreign films

indie films

aren't made by those six studios

[sorry, not trying to piggy-back. just highlighting the many options!]

[–]im_too_literal 8 points9 points ago*

The Montgomery Bus Boycott would have never gotten off the ground if people took that logic. To quote one of my favorite British television shows, "it's like being in a war, and with a war comes some crime. But it would be a greater crime to do nothing."

Edited because the full quote actually is better.

[–]furryfetus 46 points47 points ago

I realized I have been passively "protesting" these companies for months. I haven't rented/pirated/purchased/seen a movie in a theater for nearly a year. I haven't signed up for Netflix. All the music I have purchased has been from independent distributors (bandcamp, cdbaby, etc...). When the majority of the content is garbage, it's easy to boycott the providers. Heck, I've even been reading more books lately.

[–]browsit 3 points4 points ago

I don't torrent movies or music. I haven't been to a movie theater in 8-10 years. I haven't bought music in at least as long. I don't buy blue-ray disks or DVDs. I'm with you; go read a book, find another hobby and forget media assholes.

[–]b00ks 51 points52 points ago

I'm with you.

Last night I gave this a lot of thought and figured you are right.

I'm a movie nerd. Like, huge. I listen to film podcasts, I watch movies over and over again and quote them endlessly, but something changed last night. I realized that my money, that I have willingly gave to these industries was being used to prosecute grandmothers, college students, internet users, my peers and likely the industries own consumers.. not to mention they are using this money to pass legislation that could impact the way I use the internet.

So I decided that I'm not doing a month long boycott, but a boycott until something changes. I am cancelling my netflix account, hulu plus, pulling any money that I have tied up in any stocks that are remotely related to the movie industry. I will no longer buy any dvds, even if walmart has a killer deal on supertroopers. I will no longer buy any music, legitimately or illegitimate. I am going to do what ever I can possibly do to limit the amount of money that goes to big content. I am going to unsubscribe from any related sub. I am effectively going dark.

The big obvious exemption is internet. Bresnan is the only provider I can get so I will have to continue to support them until there is truly competition in this market. (I have not other option where I live)

Will this have an impact on the movie industry? Likely not. The amount of money that I spend would buy coffee for a stars trailer for one day. Will it have a negative impact on me? Possibly, my knowledge of recent pop culture might decline, but instead of sitting on a couch for hours a day, or going to a movie theater, or listening to music, I will likely end up out doors or cleaning the house or doing more productive things with my time. I could argue that my quality of life might actually improve.

Now, I don't have anything against netflix, or Hulu. I like their business model, I love what they are trying to do. Unfortunately, my money that I pay to these services is getting portioned off to the studios. So, sorry netflix. Sorry hulu. It is not your fault. You are fighting the good fight, and I hope you win...

I know I'm not going to convince anyone here to follow suit, but give it some thought. This could be different than the oil industry boycott, as I know that we truly need oil. Those boycotts are ridiculous. I personally laugh at anyone who "boycotts" gas, because you will eventually need to go somewhere.... I don't believe for a second that I will ever need to watch the new Batman, or listen to the new hit album. I will just want to.

[–]ecokitty 5 points6 points ago

I agree with you. I am an avid moviegoer and lover. I, unlike many others here, actually enjoy going to the movie theater on the weekends and seeing the moving pictures. Last year alone, I saw 20 movies in the theater. That's not including movies I watched on Netflix, redbox, Hulu, or in possession of friends.

I'm joining you on the indefinite boycott. I guess I'll have to take up knitting or something.

[–]b00ks 1 point2 points ago

I guess I'll have to take up knitting or something.

I could use a new hat! :)

[–]renf 2 points3 points ago

There seem to be a lot of people citing their love for movies in their defense of this idea but I get the feeling that such a misguided stance must be born of total ignorance of film making.

If they had worked in film, they would understand what an absurd idea this is.

[–]Skyy-High 8 points9 points ago

There's a Batman movie, an Avengers movies, and a LotR movie coming out this year.

Good fucking luck.

[–]fr0gz0r 7 points8 points ago

I think that bad movies are a symptom larger societal problems. Workers are tired, overspent and underpaid. The success of garbage like "Jack & Jill" is indicative of people medicating themselves with media to relax after working all day. It's sad and crappy, but really just indicative of broader social/economic problems.

[–]kylmorg 109 points110 points ago

I'm pretty sure this idea is going to work.

[–]THETHAD 11 points12 points ago

TAKE NONE OF MY MONEY!

[–]theghostofme 122 points123 points ago

It sure will. Right after, we should organize a massive day of protest against the oil conglomerates by refusing to purchase gas on a certain day.

That'll show 'em!

[–]spudscaduto392 11 points12 points ago

Delaying the purchase of a necessity like gasoline for a day obviously won't do anything. On the other hand, no one has to piss away $15 to see a 3D reissue of 20 year old movie.

[–]TheDark1[S] 39 points40 points ago*

Detecting sarcasm here. A one day boycott won't do anything ef course, but one month? Six months? In the entertainment industry where everything hinges on a few key moments - opening weekend, DVD release week - a boycott could potentially have a huge impact. Others have pointed out how the studios take from the box office diminishes over time, so even if you wait a week to see a movie instead of going on opening weekend they lose some money.
Edit: http://www.reddit.com/r/boycotthollywood/ <---- click me!

[–]slugamo 9 points10 points ago

Just a thought, but wouldn't it be better to protest movies during the Summer "blockbuster" season. They spend lots of money hyping these movies.

It also gives people enough time to spread the word. A goal of lowest grossing summer in modern times would be measurable and meaningful.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points ago

I think it would be more benificial to make media that rivals hollywood, so as to reduce their power.

[–]adv0589 6 points7 points ago

YEAH... THAT WOULD BE EASIER

[–]louderthanbombs 12 points13 points ago

sure, let's meet in my garage and we'll remake Lord of the Rings!

Good luck with that...

[–]louderthanbombs 58 points59 points ago

that's all based on the assumption that enough people will boycott hollywood...which they won't.

[–]HighDagger 61 points62 points ago*

that's all based on the assumption that enough people will boycott hollywood...which they won't.

"No single raindrop believes it is to blame for the flood."

If you don't take part in this action then you have nobody but yourself to blame for lack of momentum.
If you don't take part while going out of your way to make statements such as yours then you're even hurting the idea by undermining the enthusiasm which would otherwise work to convince more people to take part. So, unless this issue doesn't matter to you or you're attempting to take the side of hollywood, you might want to keep this sentiment to yourself.

Do what you want (which you probably did), but if people want to avoid accusing you of willingly taking the side of the studios they won't be able to avoid rightly accusing you of hypocrisy.
Your post makes it hard to see where you stand.

[–]kushmau5 21 points22 points ago*

Stop being so cynical. Reddit has proved it's willing to get behind a protest. Now, what's a movie on opening day we can demolish? The Avengers maybe?

Think about it. Bash the hell out of a movie's reputation, and we got their attention.

[–]theghostofme 50 points51 points ago

For every 1 Redditor willing to participate in such a protest, there are 1000 everyday people who don't care.

You all seem to willingly ignore the gaping flaw in these arguments: these protests fail because not enough people know or care enough to protest.

Sure, Reddit's good at ruffling feathers and kicking up dust, and sometimes that's enough to bring about change. But the kind of boycott the OP is alluding to requires the participation of more than just a million+ users on one website. Hollywood's profits don't come from us alone, so just us alone boycotting wouldn't be nearly enough for them to even care.

[–]GRENADETEETH 8 points9 points ago

I'm on board... it might work if everyone never bought another CD, DVD, movie ticket or concert ticket. It sounds kind of easy when you look at it like that.

HARD MODE - Go Amish

[–]HighDagger 13 points14 points ago

You all seem to willingly ignore the gaping flaw in these arguments: these protests fail because not enough people know or care enough to protest.

And according to this post, you're one of these people. Even small steps bring you closer to your goal. What's your argument against starting to move in the right direction as opposed to not moving at all?

[–]Flowhard 20 points21 points ago

And I suppose there's nothing you or I (as redditors) could do to spread the word outside reddit, right? I mean, information presented on reddit never makes it outside the site...

Seriously, defeatism is the worst enemy, and an even worse argument against something. The gap in your argument is that you're assuming only redditors will know or care about the issue. I think the recent and ongoing SOPA/PIPA drama is evidence enough that reddit can make a difference if enough people get involved, and involve others. So I think what he's trying to say is that by marshaling support outside reddit, and focusing on one movie, a boycott could have an impact.

[–]runxctry 4 points5 points ago

So help with the cause!

[–]theghostofme 2 points3 points ago

Yes, a boycott could have a huge impact, but the one thing that sounds so easy on paper is the very thing that usually makes such boycotts fail: participation. A lot of people on Reddit who bring up these arguments (if everyone just did x then company y would lose enormous profits) tend to forget that Reddit isn't made up of a majority, but a small minority. Even if every single Redditor could be swayed into participating in a mass protest/boycott, their numbers would be dwarfed by every other person in the world who wasn't participating. A million plus website users wouldn't make a dent in the profits being gained from the hundreds of millions of others who don't know/care.

Apathy makes such protests fail, which is why these discussions on Reddit are usually balked at. Talk is cheap; it's easy to say what should be done, but making it happen on a level that would actually make the difference is another thing entirely.

[–]SakiSumo 5 points6 points ago

It is a great idea, problem is not enough people will participate. The people who will participate are already not buying their movies.

To really have any effect, we need to educate the masses. The Blackout was a good quick way to educate a very small ammount of people, but facebook stayed up and people on there didnt even seem to notice the rest of the internet was protesting.

Until real sites used every day by these average Joes start participating or educating people, we have to find other ways to let them know whats going on.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points ago

You want to treat the symptoms instead of the problem. Change politics instead.

[–]scottmilgram 31 points32 points ago*

Maddox made a point that, in order to be effective in protest, you have to inconvenience yourself at least.

If you're not prepared to do that, and there is a film you're gagging to see, you might consider holding off for a couple of weeks after release. Some screwy Hollywood accounting means that the theatre keeps more of the proceeds of your ticket as time passes since the opening night.

So, either put yourself out in the name of protest, or go see The Dark Knight Rises on August 4th at the earliest (TDKR opens 20/07 at the time of writing). Doing this will at least deny the box office some of your green.

Screeching u-turn of an edit: As Railboy and Random_Tangent have pointed out, this practice is no longer commonplace, and the theatre's slice of ticket revenue tends to be the same across the entire theatrical run. With that in mind I feel that simply delaying then paying is a defunct strategy for hurting Big Content. A case could be made for avoiding the opening weekend in order to make the studio lose face - they love to boast about opening numbers, and if an opening weekend boycott were implemented effectively it would not make the board look good in front of the shareholders. io9 has an okay article on the obtuse world of box office numbercrunching.

Really though it just drives me further towards Maddox's point - no pain, no gain. If you give enough of a shit about this you'll go cold turkey - no cinema, no DVDs, no CDs, indies only from here on out, and most importantly you'll tell all and sundry why you're fighting, because the biggest thing letting Lemar and friends railroad the web is not enough people have woken the fuck up yet.

TL,DR: Protest requires resolve. You can't have long-term gain without short-term suffering.

[–]Railboy 6 points7 points ago*

Some screwy Hollywood accounting means that the theatre keeps more of the proceeds of your ticket as time passes since the opening night.

They stopped doing this after theaters started going bankrupt.

[–]Random_Tangent 2 points3 points ago

That box office model isn't really used anymore. It encourages theaters not to devote as many screens to the big blockbusters which means the opening weekend numbers aren't as huge (and in the case of big budget stinkers, that can be deadly).

[–]runxctry 2 points3 points ago

I'm always down for that. Hate fighting the crowds anyway.

[–]paidinteeth 23 points24 points ago

Honestly, everyone should just keep their consumeristic desires in check in general. throwing too much money at any industry incurs the potential of turning well-intentioned players into greedy, self-serving, meglomaniacal monsters. Capitalism is like alcohol, use responsibly.

[–]djfivenine11 15 points16 points ago

It's not like everyone working for these studios are driving around sunny california in their BMWs and throwing money out their windows.

There are probably 15000 people at these 6 studios, maybe more. You would assume more of these people are just trying to make a living doing their jobs. If the boycott is successful, the VPs, CEOs and directors won't be losing too much money, most of these minimum wage people will just get laid off.

One of the arguments against SOPA was that you shouldn't help one industry by directly hurting another industry. And by boycotting the movie industry, we are doing exactly that.

I urge you to think of another plan.

[–]CineSuppa 4 points5 points ago

There's a lot more people that will be affected by this. Because studios employ hundreds of thousands of people worldwide for shoots, and producers and writers sometimes make enough money to get their own passion projects off the ground independently, bringing about more work for even more people.

A boycott to this degree, if it were even possible, would bankrupt many people in Los Angeles and abroad. And ultimately, when this sector of the US economy crumbles, many more will follow.

[–]Croseus13 6 points7 points ago

As a cinemaphile and someone who works in the film industry, this boycott sounds like a misguided and poorly targeted response. If you're upset about the LAW that's being passed then you protest the lawmakers, not the people who are trying to entertain you. I'm against SOPA too, but I don't want to see the movies I love watching disappear as an ancillary effect to a kneejerk response.

[–]InABananaSuit 17 points18 points ago

We live in a world where the Kardashians exist as authors, stage marriages to make millions, and have adoring fans while Americans' freedoms are threatened by liars and the ignorant. Meanwhile, women, minorities, and gays fight for equal rights. Sadly, no one cares.

[–]TheDark1[S] 20 points21 points ago

You were completely right until the last sentence. People do care. Time to put it on our sleeves.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points ago

I certainly do care, and my sleeves are down for some flair.

[–]edibledevice 15 points16 points ago

you know what doesnt give money to hollywood?

the fucking library

i'm gonna go today and take out like three different books, FOR FREE, and there is nothing hollywood or sopa/pipa can do to stop me

[–]louderthanbombs 4 points5 points ago

where do you think they buy the dvd's from???

[–]xDynaBlade 4 points5 points ago

My proposal is, we boycott these studios until SOPA/PIPA is dead or until they publicly oppose these bills (which is highly unlikely to happen).

How about we boycott them until they stop trying to change copyright laws? If SOPA/PIPA are defeated, it means nothing. It only means they'll come up with another 4-letter acronym to try and take our rights away later. Keep boycotting until they die.

[–]manlydishwasher 4 points5 points ago

Nicolas Cage will be fuming at this thread.

[–]nogami 18 points19 points ago

By the movie studio, record company, and game industry measures though, if you're not buying their products, you're a filthy pirate stealing their products.

I don't think it has ever occurred to them that some people may not want their products...

[–]mi-16evil 9 points10 points ago

I'll just throw my hat in this fight by saying I don't think this is the best idea. I hate to say it but the hardcore internet community really has no impact on the overall attendance of films. Just compare Kingdom of the Crystal Skull to Scott Pilgrim vs. The World. Crystal Skull was unwanted by everyone in the critical and fan community but made $300 mil. Then you have Scott Pilgrim which was made entirely for an internet audience that completely flopped...supposedly. Actually Scott Pilgrim made a good chunk of money on it's back-end, through DVD and On-Demand sales, because that is the business model that our community respects. But Hollywood doesn't care about that because all that matters to them is the front end, which most people of this generation don't participate in. Essentially you are just trying to convince a generation of people who don't normally go to the theater to not go to the theater.

Okay so let's just go hypothetical for a second. Let's say your boycott really takes of. For argument sake let's say it will be a "boycott The Dark Knight Rises Opening Weekend" event. So your event is really big. It's on Reddit, it's on Google, it's on Facebook and it's even on the nightly news. Everyone knows about this event. and it works and you cut down the expected profits for the film by a good 50% (which is REALLY optimistic). Even then Hollywood won't give a damn. Why? Because Hollywood has for a hundred years practiced very shady accounting skills. They can come up with any excuse to justify why a film failed or a a film succeeded. Look at the way they covered over Inception's success or pumped up Green Lantern's flop. There are hundreds of articles about infamous Hollywood accounting tricks and if this boycott is successful they will pull out every single one. They will blame the weather or a sports event or fear mongering or whatever. They will find a way to make the profits of The Dark Knight Rises look completely unaffected by the boycott.

Okay so I've been pretty cynical so far so let's go positive for a second here. The internet showed something very powerful this Wednesday and I have to say it was the most effective protest I've seen in my life. But what made that protest effective was that it was on our terms. We proved to the government that we understand the internet better than they do, and we could fight back better than they could. With film we are just fighting a losing battle. If we are combining all our efforts to fight the media, I feel we should focus our efforts on a much more important issue: lobbyists. Let's face it, even if this boycott did go beyond expectations and succeed fully and the movie industry backed of, it's only a matter of time before another industry comes along to take down the true internet. As long as lobbyists have as much power as they want then we will always be fighting this battle, no matter how many wins we get.

If you want to boycott and protest that's great. In fact DO boycott if you feel it's necessary. Just don't think it's going to change Hollywood within a year. They are a billion dollar industry and like any billion dollar industry they will follow the tidal gravity of the market. If you really want to change Hollywood than just keep doing what you've been doing. Use new technologies, avoid theaters and films you find appalling and encourage people to seek other options of entertainment. Hollywood is slowly dying because they are failing to innovate. They are still based on these out-dated systems that have no place in the internet age. The best way to fight Hollywood is to support the innovators. Only see films at theaters that are doing something new like Alamo Drafthouse. Only go to films that are original like Inception. And most importantly, only watch media through services that respect their customers like Netflix. That's the best way to teach Hollywood a lesson.

tl;dr A Hollywood boycott probably wouldn't work and we should focus our efforts in restricting lobbyists' power in Congress.

[–]ezrb3zr 2 points3 points ago

Hooray for rationality!!!!

[–]Supernumerary 3 points4 points ago

Have you read about the Black March concept yet?

[–]Frankfusion 1 point2 points ago

OK here's a crazy idea: Reddit Productions. We have more than enough creative people here (with more than enough time) to get together, make, market and distribute films. We can stream it online, offer downloads for pay, or even get it into independent theaters. I bet with enough time and practice, we could show what a new model of movie making could be.

[–]mekese2000 9 points10 points ago

Good luck with that.

Box office hits last year: Justin Bieber: Never Say Never The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn Part 1: The Smurfs: Mr. Popper's Penguins.

People are idiots.

[–]Deklaration 13 points14 points ago

They are not idiots.

Wouldn't you watch a movie about your favourite singer when you were 13?

I think the Twilight saga would be interesting to follow, if you are within the right age. It's a long story to follow.

The Smurfs is a comic a lot of people grew up with, me included. I I had kids and wanted them to be somewhat interested in The Smurfs, I would probably see it too.

Jim Carrey and penguins.

[–]lieutenantpage 60 points61 points ago*

I work in Hollywood, have major credits and am broke as shit with tons of student debt and no chance of paying it off within 30 years. Please tell me how your boycott will benefit me, and the countless other invisibles like me who make Hollywood function. Edit: clarified what type of debt (like it matters)

[–]news_and_coffee 136 points137 points ago

The boycott won't benefit you. Sorry.

[–]pantheman77 16 points17 points ago

It will benefit everyone if it helps the studios move into the 21st century and create a new business model!

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points ago

Any new business model dependant on prices that will compete with "free" will be unable to pay for even a fraction of the current workforce. Thousands of people would suddenly find themselves out of a job, normal working people, not executives.

[–]tea-bone 8 points9 points ago

Same. The longer I work in this industry the more I realize that making a film or TV show is not the result of 60 elite rich people collaborating. It's the result of 1200 people collaborating, maybe triple that if you count second and third tier suppliers like dry cleaning contracts with wardrobe or food distributors for craft services, or the county clerk processing film permits. The list goes on and on.

If one wants to boycott, then do it; but don't consume the content either. It's the definition of hypocrisy to call us greedy and then turn around and demand the next episode of breaking bad for free.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points ago

Reddit thinks there are 5 old white guys, maybe jews, in charge of Hollywood, just like they think every company is controlled at every level by 1 guy. Reddit doesn't realize companies are publicly owned and produce a shitload of jobs and money for everyone. Reddit thinks the public face of the company is the company and that companies should be destroyed even though it would hurt hundreds of thousands of regular people.

[–]lieutenantpage 4 points5 points ago

It's not just Reddit obviously but yeah I have observed this about a lot of people too.

[–]eagle_talon 13 points14 points ago*

I'm in the same boat. It seems that people think that boycotting Hollywood is logical because the studio heads and major actors make millions anyway. ...Hollywood is an industry that also employs editors, composers, grips, carpenters, electricians, writers, software developers, etc... Most of which have unions. I'm all for finding new ways to protest sopa, but boycotting the Hollywood studio system doesn't seem like a good idea.

Edit: spelling

[–]lieutenantpage 4 points5 points ago

It's a huge financial disparity but I think the main thing a lot of consumers don't realize is we're all here for different reasons, fame/wealth is not on everyone's agenda. A lot of different professions come together to help Meryl Streep get her Oscar nominations. :)

[–]verbose_gent 27 points28 points ago

Perhaps your unions should do something about it then. They don't seem to give a fuck about bringing the industry to a halt, and no one was bitching then.

[–]Nexism 2 points3 points ago

Isn't the main goal for unions work environment and pay related? As opposed to the industry being incredibly shit (lack of innovation etc).

[–]eagle_talon 10 points11 points ago

Are you talking about the writers strike in 2007? If so, do you think it would be in the workers best interest to use a strike to shut down production in protest of SOPA/PIPA?

I'm starting to think reddit echo chamber of anti SOPA/PIPA is getting out of hand. The reddit/wiki blackout a couple days ago did great things for the fight against internet censorship. It brought national attention to it, and swayed 31 congress supporters to become opponents. In my mind, THIS is how you fight the bill. I agree that more work needs to be done, but putting people out of work, so they can boycott their own industry seems like a stretch.

[–]virus5877 2 points3 points ago

I haven't paid a dime to the movie industry in probably 2 years. I torrent everything. Netflix's 8 bucks a month is the only legit money I am willing to pay for content, and come on...that's a helluva deal! :)

Music is another matter completely, I regularly go to concerts, and I consistently support the music artists I truly enjoy. (kanye gets torrented though :P )

[–]manueslapera 2 points3 points ago

What I dont understand is this.

Netflix is profitable, or at least has been running for a bunch of years, with intentions for international expansion.

For Netflix to be able to provide content produced by the Big Six, it has to agree with draconian contracts, royalties and fees.

So, wouldnt be smarter for the Big Six to start their own Netflix?. The licensing fees they would pay would be basically 0 (I mean, they would be paying to themselves). Plus they have the contacts, both in the industry (they ARE the industry) and regulators.

Im pretty sure its cheaper to start a service like than the amounts they are using to lobby. Plus no one would complain if they did it.

[–]Web0542 2 points3 points ago

I've thought about this proposition for some time, and come to the conclusion that at least for me it isn't possible and I don't believe it's the right way of protesting, I believe that fight should be aimed squarely where at belongs and that's on capital hill.

Not buying a DVD isn't going to stop them from pushing this agenda, and nor will it influence politics in any substantive way whatsoever.

Getting involved in politics is crucial, and frankly the only way for you to let your voice be heard, not buying these products is just not a feasible nor effective form of protest.

I enjoy Hollywood movies & TV shows, I feel that it's one of the few things that makes life tolerable, it's not just entertainment but a form of art & expression.

We're so lucky to have this problem, people are starving to death and here we are arguing about movie piracy - enjoy your movies and TV shows & keep your criticism for the relevant politician and media outlets where it belongs.

[–]dvh3 2 points3 points ago

But... but... Avengers... Whedon... I...

Ok. :(

I will boycott. But I don't have to like it.

[–]DeadStare 2 points3 points ago*

The issue with boycotting these studios is that they are currently too big to fail, you would have to boycott them on a mass scale.

Also the other issue is the size of which we are boycotting and everything owned, for instance if you were to boycott fox, you would want to boycott News Corp. This list is as follows starting with internet first: And as you will see with just this list for news corp the world has allowed a monopoly that is too big to fail come into existence, no one group or person should be able to own this much power. If I get time later will look for others holdings.

  • MySpace
  • Authonomy
  • News Digital Media
  • WhatIfSports
  • Scout.com
  • MyNetworktv.com
  • IGN
  • Hulu.com
  • GameSpy
  • Foxsports.com
  • Fox.com
  • AskMen.com
  • AmericanIdol.com
  • Fox Interactive Media

here is overseas television assets

  • BSkyB [United Kingdom] (39.1%)
  • Sky Deutschland [Germany] (49.90%)
  • SKY Italia [Italy] (100%)
  • SKY Network Television [New Zealand] (43.65%)
  • Foxtel [Australia] (25%)
  • Star TV [India & Greater China] (100%)
  • Tata Sky [India] (20%)

Cable tv assets

  • Big Ten Network (49%)
  • Fox Business Network
  • Fox College Sports
  • Fox Movie Channel
  • Fox News Channel
  • Fox Soccer Channel
  • Fox Sports Enterprises
  • Fox Sports en Español
  • Foxtel (25%) -
  • Fox Sports Net
  • FUEL TV
  • FX Networks
  • Fox Reality Channel
  • National Geographic Channel (50%)
  • National Geographic Channel UK (50%)
  • Speed Channel
  • SportSouth
  • LAPTV (Latin America — co-owned with Paramount Pictures/Viacom, * Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer/MGM Holdings and Universal Studios/NBC Universal)
  • Telecine (Brazil — co-owned with Globosat Canais, Paramount * Pictures, MGM, Universal Studios and DreamWorks)

Broadcast/Production:

  • 20th Century Fox Television
  • 20th Television
  • Foxtel
  • Fox Broadcasting Company
  • Fox International Channels
  • Fox International Channels Italy
  • Fox Sports Australia
  • Fox Telecolombia
  • Fox Television Stations
  • Fox Television Studios
  • Imedi Media Holding
  • Latvijas Neatkarīgā Televīzija
  • MyNetworkTV
  • STAR TV
  • TV5 Rīga

Filmed entertainment:

  • 20th Century Fox
  • Fox Searchlight Pictures
  • 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment
  • Blue Sky Studios
  • 20th Century Fox Español
  • 20th Century Fox International
  • 20th Century Fox Television
  • Fox Studios Australia
  • Fox Studios LA
  • Fox Television Studios
  • Shine Group

Magazines and inserts:

  • Alpha
  • Australian Football Weekly
  • Australian Golf Digest
  • Australian Good Taste (with Woolworths)
  • Australian Parents (with Woolworths)
  • Best of the Gold Coast Magazine
  • Big League
  • Chopper
  • Country Style
  • delicious. (with the ABC)
  • donna hay
  • Gardening Australia (with the ABC)
  • GQ Australia
  • Inside Out
  • Lifestyle Pools + outdoor design
  • Live to Ride
  • MasterChef Magazine
  • Modern Boating
  • Modern Fishing
  • Overlander 4WD
  • SmartSource Magazine
  • Super Food Ideas
  • Tattoo
  • Truck & Trailer Australia
  • Truckin' Life
  • Two Wheels
  • Two Wheels Scooter
  • Vogue Australia
  • Vogue Entertaining + Travel

News papers:

United Kingdom:

*News International *The Sun *The Times *Sunday Times Australia:

*News Limited *Metropolitan newspapers, magazines and news distribution channels

National:

  • The Australian including weekly insert magazine The Deal and monthly insert magazine
  • The Weekend Australian including insert magazine The Weekend Australian Magazine
  • Australian Associated Press
  • www.news.com.au National online news website
  • New South Wales
  • The Daily Telegraph
  • The Sunday Telegraph including insert magazine sundaymagazine
  • mX (Sydney)
  • Victoria
  • Herald Sun
  • Sunday Herald Sun including insert magazine sundaymagazine
  • mX (Melbourne)
  • Queensland
  • The Courier-Mail including weekly insert magazine QWeekend
  • The Sunday Mail
  • Brisbane News
  • South Australia
  • The Advertiser including the monthly insert the Adelaide* magazine
  • Sunday Mail
  • Western Australia
  • The Sunday Times
  • Tasmania
  • The Mercury
  • The Sunday Tasmanian
  • Northern Territory
  • Northern Territory News
  • Sunday Territorian
  • Community suburban newspapers
  • Sydney
  • Cumberland/Courier (NSW) newspapers
  • Blacktown Advocate
  • Canterbury-Bankstown Express
  • Central
  • Central Coast Express Advocate
  • Fairfield Advance
  • Hills Shire Times
  • Hornsby and Upper North Shore Advocate
  • Inner West Courier
  • Liverpool Leader
  • Macarthur Chronicle
  • Mt Druitt-St Marys Standard
  • NINETOFIVE
  • North Shore Times
  • Northern District Times
  • NORTHSIDE
  • Parramatta Advertiser
  • Penrith Press
  • Rouse Hill Times
  • Southern Courier
  • The Manly Daily
  • The Mosman Daily
  • Village Voice Balmain
  • Wentworth Courier
  • Melbourne
  • Leader (Vic) newspapers
  • Bayside Leader
  • Berwick/Pakenham Cardinia Leader
  • Brimbank Leader
  • Caulfield Glen Eira/Port Philip Leader
  • Cranbourne Leader
  • Dandenong/Springvale Dandenong Leader
  • Diamond Valley Leader
  • Frankston Standard/Hastings Leader
  • Free Press Leader
  • Heidelberg Leader
  • Hobsons Bay Leader
  • Hume Leader
  • Knox Leader
  • Lilydale & Yarra Valley Leader
  • Manningham Leader
  • Maribyrnong Leader www.maribyrnongleader.com.au
  • Maroondah Leader
  • Melbourne Leader
  • Melton/Moorabool Leader
  • Moonee Valley Leader
  • Moorabbin Kingston/Moorabbin Glen Eira Leader
  • Mordialloc Chelsea Leader
  • Moreland Leader
  • Mornington Peninsula Leader
  • Northcote Leader
  • Preston Leader
  • Progress Leader
  • Stonnington Leader
  • Sunbury/Macedon Ranges Leader
  • Waverley/Oakleigh Monash Leader
  • Whitehorse Leader
  • Whittlesea Leader
  • Wyndham Leader
  • Brisbane
  • Quest (QLD) newspapers
  • Albert & Logan News (Fri)
  • Albert & Logan News (Wed)
  • Caboolture Shire Herald
  • Caloundra Journal
  • City News
  • City North News
  • City South News
  • Ipswich News
  • Logan West Leader
  • Maroochy Journal
  • North-West News
  • Northern Times
  • Northside Chronicle
  • Pine Rivers Press/North Lakes Times
  • Redcliffe and Bayside Herald
  • South-East Advertiser
  • South-West News/Springfield News
  • Southern Star
  • The Noosa Journal
  • weekender
  • Westside News
  • Wynnum Herald
  • Weekender Essential Sunshine Coast
  • Adelaide
  • Messenger (SA) newspapers
  • Adelaide Matters
  • City Messenger
  • City North Messenger
  • East Torrens Messenger
  • Eastern Courier Messenger
  • Guardian Messenger
  • Hills & Valley Messenger
  • Leader Messenger
  • News Review Messenger
  • Portside Messenger
  • Southern Times Messenger
  • Weekly Times Messenger
  • Perth
  • Community (WA) newspapers
  • Advocate
  • Canning Times
  • Comment News
  • Eastern Reporter
  • Fremantle-Cockburn Gazette
  • Guardian Express
  • Hills-Avon Valley Gazette
  • Joondalup-Wanneroo Times
  • Mandurah Coastal / Pinjarra Murray Times
  • Melville Times
  • Midland-Kalamunda Reporter
  • North Coast Times
  • Southern Gazette
  • Stirling Times
  • Weekend-Kwinana Courier
  • Weekender
  • Western Suburbs Weekly
  • Darwin
  • Sun (NT) newspapers
  • Darwin Sun
  • Litchfield Sun
  • Palmerston Sun
  • Regional and rural newspapers
  • New South Wales
  • Tweed Sun'
  • Victoria
  • Echo
  • Geelong Advertiser
  • GeelongNEWS
  • The Weekly Times
  • Queensland
  • Ayr Advocate
  • Bowen Independent
  • Cairns Sun
  • Gold Coast Bulletin
  • Gold Coast Sun
  • Herbert River Express
  • Home Hill Observer
  • Innisfail Advocate
  • Northern Miner
  • Port Douglas & Mossman Gazette
  • Tablelander - Atherton
  • Tablelands Advertiser
  • The Cairns Post
  • The Noosa Journal
  • Townsville Bulletin
  • Townsville Sun
  • weekender

Tasmania

  • Derwent Valley Gazette
  • Tasmanian Country

Northern Territory

  • Centralian Advocate
  • [edit]Papua New Guinea
  • Papua New Guinea Post-Courier

United States

  • New York Post
  • Wall Street Journal
  • Community Newspaper Group
  • The Brooklyn Paper
  • Courier-Life Publications
  • TimesLedger Newspapers
  • Bronx Times Reporter Inc.
  • The Corning Leader

International:

*Dow Jones & Company

Consumer Media Group

  • The Wall Street Journal - the leading US financial newspaper.
  • Wall Street Journal Europe
  • Wall Street Journal Asia
  • Barron's - weekly financial markets magazine.
  • Marketwatch - Financial news and information website.
  • Far Eastern Economic Review Financial News
  • Enterprise Media Group
  • Dow Jones Newswires - global, real-time news and information provider.
  • Factiva - provides business news and information together with content delivery tools and services.
  • Dow Jones Indexes - stock market indexes and indicators, including the Dow Jones Industrial Average.
  • Dow Jones Financial Information Services — produces databases, electronic media, newsletters, conferences, directories, and other information services on specialised markets and industry sectors.
  • Betten Financial News — leading Dutch language financial and economic news service.
  • Local Media Group'
  • Dow Jones Local Media Group (formerly Ottaway Community Newspapers) - 8 daily and 15 weekly regional newspapers.
  • Strategic Alliances
  • STOXX (33%) - joint venture with Deutsche Boerse and SWG Group for the development and distribution of Dow Jones STOXX indices.
  • Vedomosti (33%) - Russia's leading financial newspaper (joint venture with Financial Times and Independent Media).
  • SmartMoney (50%)
  • FiLife.com (50%)

[–]gathly 2 points3 points ago

No one will do this. People will not actually go without anything they want. We only got Reddit to go dark for less than a day. Google didn't really do anything at all, and that's protesting stuff that affects their business directly. People aren't going to give up movies and video games. It's the same reason everyone felt fine boycotting Go Daddy, but nothing else.

[–]ThirdEyedea 2 points3 points ago

I'd be willing to boycott Hollywood just for making shitty movies lately.

[–]gulinbursti 2 points3 points ago

Games have just as much copyright legislation as movies and music.

[–]donrhummy 5 points6 points ago

I agree 100%. The ONLY thing that will stop them is loss of money.

[–]DefectiveHamster 6 points7 points ago

But... Reddit loves movies. And a LOT of redditors make their humble livings in the movie industry. The rich fucks at the top have their money, a boycott will only force them to cut costs by giving you realityTV styled films, and outsource all CGI. Seriously, Reddit, this boycott idea is misguided. Why not target the sopa/pipa supporting moguls directly instead of taking down an industry full of tech/art jobs?

[–]adv0589 4 points5 points ago

I have a fairly strong feeling that this protest would have the exact opposite effects of what you are hoping for, most likely Hollywood would go to Washington and complain that piracy is causing their sales to plummet if we had any success

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points ago

SUPPORT INDIE FILMS ONLY!!!! DO THIS FOR 365 DAYS AND I GUARANTEE HOLLYWOOD KISSES THE RING!!!......guaranteed.

[–]aptrapani 23 points24 points ago

Most of those indie films are distributed by the subsidiaries or art-house divisions of big companies.

If you really want to support indie films directly, your choices are severely limited, but try something like watching the independently released films on Netflix. The Innkeepers would be an example. It's distributed by Dark Sky Films (owned by MPI Media Group, who are independently owned).

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points ago

THat's exactly what I do.

[–]JuicyFruity 7 points8 points ago

What many people miss here is that Content Producers have a legitimate argument. There is an industry that makes a product, that millions of people rely on for their livelihood, and billions enjoy. Many profit illegally off of their labor, and many others would rather not pay for it, but instead enjoy it and have others bear the costs.

It is a Free-Rider dilemma. Many people want something (in this case creative content) for free, and make others pay for it. No one denies it costs money to produce content, and high quality content can costs a great deal to produce.

People justify not paying for that content because other people pay for it, and other people seem to make enough money and should be content.

While the former model of doing business is failing, and an industry reeling from a technological assault on their business has struck out in controversial directions to try and save their business, I have yet to see a new model appear which is fair to the producers of the content to reap the benefits of their product either.

How do all the pirates/down-loaders/free-riders out there propose to create a situation in the future that is fair to content creators, as well as those who want to enjoy that content?

[–]frugalfuzzy 6 points7 points ago

There are many existing models that work. Netflix for movies, Grooveshark and iTunes for music, Steam for videogames. All three of these represent successful business models for their respective industries. In all 3 cases, even Grooveshark, pays the content producers.

It's like Steam says, piracy is a service problem. When people pirate, it's because how we receive the content is hindered. Like an example that someone said, region-locking DVD's does not give you incentive to spend money to buy the DVD when the pirated one, which happens to be free, is better. People who bought the game Spore when first released by EA had tons of DRM software as well as restricting installations, and so the paying customers were being greatly inconvenienced, and so they saw an unprecedented level of piracy for the game.

For business models that work, I started using iTunes because they began to allow all of their mp3's to be played on any mp3 player other than iPods. This was a great example of freeing themselves from the fear of piracy, taking a step towards the other direction, making it easy and simple for the user to buy, download, and have freedom to do whatever the F they want with their purchases. I can tell you that iTunes is not going under due to piracy.

So like you say, because the movie industry is not adapting and embracing new technology, they are finding themselves sinking deeper and deeper. It's sad, but it's inevitable. Once again, I'm not arguing the point of right vs wrong on the topic of piracy, just stating the fact that it exists and it's something the MPAA and RIAA brought onto themselves for being slightly too greedy.

[–]Alpha_and_Teilhard 6 points7 points ago*

Let's just pirate all the movies/TV and donate $100 per month to Doctors without Borders. karma-offset

edit- added a bit of context below

[–]instructable 5 points6 points ago

Boycotting won't work - fight to restore copyright protection to the original 14 year term length!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

That's it i'm never watching a movie or playign a game again..EVER ಠ_ಠ

[–]dnj 1 point2 points ago

List of hobbies (not so boring life!) http://www.notsoboringlife.com/list-of-hobbies/

[–]personoftheyear 1 point2 points ago

I see no difference of watching a movie now or two months later on DVD. I can wait. They (hollywood) can't.

[–]loercase 1 point2 points ago

I would argue that we should still see movies in theatres, to support local business, but we should really prioritize independent filmmakers, which we really should be doing anyway. Avoid buying DVDs full stop.

[–]sarebroman 1 point2 points ago

I will be joining your sub reddit now, I think we should all post links of media / entertainment from ALL other sources. The hardest part to boycotting these people is finding an altertnative. But with our community I think we can pull things together and enjoy all the same media without these assholes.

[–]CherikeeRed 1 point2 points ago

Box office returns in 2011 were the lowest they've been since the mid-90's. We're trying, really!

[–]koy5 1 point2 points ago

A boycott isn't what we need we need to just keep leeching of their movies and rewarding the studios that do something that lowers the price of movies while diseminating their content to a larger audience like Louis CK.

[–]mjbreese 1 point2 points ago

Was going to go to the movies to see Haywire tonight, am choosing not to in protest due to hollywoods support of SOPA. we should all get together and have a 6 months of boycotting holywood.

When they whine about lost revenue they seem to think it's all about piracy. The internet has provided far more intresting things to spend your time on other than crap like Jersey Shore.

Same with gaming systems.  For a very long time Nintendo attributed their slowing game sales of the Nintendo DS due to piracy.  Only when it got to the point where they could no longer get 

around it they finally acknowledged that the main reason for their lack of profits was that people would rather entertain themselves with their smartphones instead.

[–]zysecuh 1 point2 points ago

Boycott? I see maybe two movies a year, never during the first two weeks. I don't watch television, and have no cable, no satellite. Just basic internet service. I never buy dvds new, only secondhand.

How can I improve on that?

[–]WinterInJapan 1 point2 points ago

You imply that I can afford to regularly buy films.

[–]jeblis 1 point2 points ago

Ok, but remember that means you'll have to cancel cable, Netflix/hulu subscriptions, skip seeing the Hobbit, Prometheus, the new seasons of Mad Men, Breaking Bad, How I Met Your Mother, Arrested Development... Not so easy to do. Part of the problem is that by not seeing stuff you will hurt innocent bystanders first, theater owners/employees, artists, actors, etc. The rich corporate owners will personally see little hardship. I'm not saying it isn't worthwhile, just that there are unintended consequences.

[–]thechris353 1 point2 points ago

I try to get out to the movies at least once a week.

This is now going to drop to 0.

[–]phate24 1 point2 points ago

Wont the MPAA and RIAA just claim that the loss of revenue is due to piracy and use that as more fuel for the fire?

[–]MysticalCheese 1 point2 points ago

If Hollywood wants more money, the should stop making steaming piles of shit. At least 50% of the crap they churn out are rehashes. They cry out about lost money, I wonder how much of that is lost through Hollywood accounting scams? http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100708/02510310122.shtml

[–]jordan-lee 1 point2 points ago

I'll play games instead of watching movies.

I suppose not on a PlayStation?

[–]Derek_Foreal 1 point2 points ago

I've been boycotting hollywood for years. The logic isn't really sound though, they are doing all of this SOPA stuff because they are seeing their profits shrink. More shrinking profits would just be ammunition for why they need SOPA. They'll translate money lost into jobs lost and everyone will get behind it. Also I don't like how you make this political "we all know he's anti-obama" like that has anything to do with this at all.

[–]sleepwalkcapsules 1 point2 points ago

So we at reddit will have to shoot our own movies. Think "Be Kind Rewind" but with other fatties instead of Jack Black.

[–]Socratesandboxes 1 point2 points ago

Why I am giving Disney nearly 10 grand next month alone but only to the resort so no biggy.

[–]MeesterGone 1 point2 points ago

Except when the new Batman comes out, right? And Prometheus and the new Wes Anderson movie, right? Right?

[–]jjm214 1 point2 points ago

ill pass

[–]Butorand 1 point2 points ago

I buy 3 Blu-Rays or DVDs from Hollywood a year (or even fewer). Does it count?

[–]misterteenwolf 1 point2 points ago

Ok I'm down. But I'm gonna have a cheat day when Dark Knight Rises comes out

[–]qxcvr 2 points3 points ago

See that's why it never works. People still drink the Koolaid.

[–]Thizzlebot 1 point2 points ago

I will gladly boycott but I am breaking that shit for Spider-man and Dark Knight Rises. Not Debatable.

[–]UnderworldReptile 1 point2 points ago

Boycotting Hollywood? This is absolute madness! ... I'm in.

[–]skyhigh_3640 1 point2 points ago

What!??!? Another chance to hop on a protest band wagon, you say?!?!?!....I'm in!

[–]abegosum 1 point2 points ago

One very legal way you can do this and still consume some media is to buy used, particularly from thrift stores or Craigslist. The first-sale doctrine explicitly codifies that there will never be a question of copyright there. Nothing to lobby, no money to big media, closed question.

Check out your local thrift stores, Craigslists, and used record stores for not only great deals, but the opportunity to stick it to the labels that want to screw you.

[–]crunchytheory 1 point2 points ago

I will support this... but not until after I've seen The Dark Knight Rises in IMAX.

[–]HeCardsReadsGood 1 point2 points ago

I'll do it until The Dark Knight Rises comes out.

[–]jtisch 1 point2 points ago

timeout! did you say NO BATMAN? im out.....

[–]takka_takka_takka 1 point2 points ago

You know what the cool kids are doing? We are going to the motherfucking library, man!

[–]VorpalAuroch 1 point2 points ago

I can do this while still watching Doctor Who and Sherlock. K, I'm good.

[–]CornFedHonky 1 point2 points ago

Batman? Fuck it! I can go without.

You twisted fuck...

[–]nrgianni 1 point2 points ago

I don't think you've thought this. If you're successful, the result will be some companies, in theory file bankruptcy, some rich execs take their fortune and do something else, and you put thousands and thousands of middle class Americans out of work. The entertainment industry is one of the few industries in the US that is dominated by unions still. Dont fuck up my livelihood because Americans are too stupid to to vote for worthy congressmen.

[–]Bajee 1 point2 points ago

Honestly, hollywood would make ridiculous money if they just got out of their 1990's mindset and adapted to the internet. Can you imagine how much money they would make if they did say $5-10 streaming new releases at home?

[–]shawnpeps 1 point2 points ago

I'm totally down with this.

Movies are fun and all, but to be honest - I can go without.

I'd happily keep my hard earned cash in my own pockets for pretty much all entertainment.

• Movies - Don't really need 'em. I've got a pretty big collection already.

• Music - I tend to buy a lot of harder to find, smaller post-metal/slude/doom kind of stuff - so, small labels and small bands. Not too worried about that, and more often than not the money ends up going directly to the band.

[–]louderthanbombs 1 point2 points ago

10 Reasons /r/movies won't boycott Hollywood until 2013:

The Dark Knight Rises

The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey

Prometheus

Django Unchained

The Avengers

James Bond: Skyfall

The Amazing Spider-Man

The Great Gatsby

Lincoln

World War Z

[–]iwaskhazard 1 point2 points ago

It's funny, because ever since I was a little kid, I never wanted to go see a movie. Why? Because these pretentious f*cks called "movie-stars" get famous for literally doing something ANYONE can do. I haven't seen a movie in seven years. The fact that hollywood is trying to control our rights? Laughable.

love how spell check is trying to make me capitalize hollywood

[–]DudeAsInCool 1 point2 points ago*

Hollywood isn't just comprised of the big conglomerates, it also includes the creative community and craftsmen, many of whom support an open internet. There is a solution for Hollywood: provide diverse high quality product online for a reasonable price and piracy and copyright infringement won't be a problem.

[–]ecook123 1 point2 points ago

I love hollywood, I think the shit they come up with is awesome, I don't think they give two shits about joe shmoe making home videos. If this isn't about piracy what is it about?

[–]LaziestManAlive 1 point2 points ago

Wow, was thinking the same thing. People keep telling me to go see Girl With The Dragon Tattoo, but honestly, the whole SOPA/PIPA thing has me so jaded, I hesitate giving my money to the assholes responsible for pushing for such legislation.

When reddit was blacked out, one of the videos cited a statistic which compared how much money our country makes from the internet compared to what was dismally represented by how much is made from movies/music. The gap is huge, and the only explanation I can surmise is campaign money that goes to our current Congressman.

I'll join your cause. My question is this: today, we are on the reddit frontpage. What is to say tomorrow this cause won't settle into the depths of r/new and slowly fizzle out?

[–]PaperInFire 1 point2 points ago

In a better world...Hollywood would realize that we geeks built them the greatest promotion and distribution platform they could ever have. We did it for free: none of them paid a dime for it. All they had to do was adapt, evolve and use it. They could make an even bigger fortune than they already are. We really wouldn't care.

Instead, they've tried to burn it to the ground.

It should be clear to everyone now that we face a choice: we can have Hollywood or we can have the Internet. There is no other way because they've MADE SURE THERE IS NO OTHER WAY.

This doesn't mean the end of movies: a heck of a lot of movies are made elsewhere, and some of them are incredibly good. But it MUST mean the end of the Hollywood, of the big six studios. They must be destroyed, and the best way that we have to do that is to cut off their cash flow. So: no movie tickets. No movie purchases. No movie rentals. Money is the oxygen of Hollywood, and we need to stand on their air hose.

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[–]Sekular 2 points3 points ago

I thought you made a compelling argument. I'd like to see people get down to what I perceive is the real problem: Money in politics. Our politicians are bought and paid for and writing up legislation that censor's a medium that too many of them don't fully understand.

I was hoping that the Occupy movement would get some solidarity in their views and push forward with improving our representation and wealth distribution.

[–]ALIENSMACK 1 point2 points ago

Ive been boycotting Hollywood for over a year now , I dont have cable , I only buy used dvds never new ( so $5 or $6 max Im willing to pay ) and I havnt been to the theatre since Famous Players broke the Projectionists Union a number of years ago , they locked them all out and got scabs to do it . Fuck Hollywood , remaking Total Recall ? gimme a fucking break , I think I Totally Recall how that ends ,

[–]YepThatLooksInfected 1 point2 points ago

Reality: Hollywood has been trying to help us boycott for years now! Honestly, have you seen the shit that they put out for films right now?

I prefer spending my time making my own stories happen IRL instead of watching overpaid celebrities act out other people's stories.

[–]Freewheelin 1 point2 points ago*

I like how Americans seem to think boycotting Hollywood means boycotting ALL movies. You guys know we make movies here in the rest of the world, right? And then there are the movies made outside of Hollywood but still within the US. You all jump at the chance to complain about the shit Hollywood churns out in the theater, but more often than not you'll still go and see those fucking movies, and you won't bother to support the small, interesting films that actually need your attention. Also why is it that every US-centric "protest" seems to involve doing absolutely nothing at all?

[–]BenedictArnold 1 point2 points ago

Count me in. Hollywood produces mostly bullshit these days anyways.

[–]facetiousjesus 1 point2 points ago

I work in a Production company like many people in the industry, and this bill would crush production and inevitably crush small businesses that succeed on transferring files and making great work. Ultimately it would allow the NOT SO BIG 6 to come in and sue the hell out of companies for using content such as music or video clips. Oh and to boycott them I'll jsut HUB and workout what else does one need!!! -_-

[–]AaronPDX 1 point2 points ago

If you buy drugs, you're funding terrorism? If you buy CD's and movies, you're funding fascism. Somebody make that commercial.

[–]GueroCabron 1 point2 points ago

Relevant. I would pay $15 for a 1080p video download that was like the pirated one. $5 for the one they provide on DVD

[–]Spurnout 1 point2 points ago

Just curious, but what do you think the Politicians do with our money? I'm pretty sure they stifle our rights as well! lol

[–]TheToecutter 1 point2 points ago

Our rights to watch their wares for free? We're already boycotting them by watching everything through torrents and illegal downloads. I cant believe all of these filesharing sites etc have been able to go on as long as they have. Years ago I kept expecting everything to get closed down in a matter of months. I was trying to download some shitty movie before they shut it all down. 7 or 8 years later its just getting more and more mainstream.

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As i read some of the replies in this thread, i can't help but think 'paid mpaa trolls'.

[–]donrhummy 1 point2 points ago

Can we get a good list of everything to avoid? TV/Movies are pretty easy, but there's a whole lot of websites as well (I've been avoiding espn, for example and it's not been easy ;) ) and other companies too.

[–]stonewalls 1 point2 points ago

99% of all movies today really suck anyway! Boycott has begun!!!!!

[–]FordSVT1 1 point2 points ago*

Odd, the number of people who say they already boycott big media who have mentioned that they watch The Daily Show. You know, the one on the Comedy Channel, the network owned by that little mom and pop operation VIACOM. Oh, you pirate it you say? Thanks for validating their theories about piracy.

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