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[–]calvinvshobbes 24 points25 points ago

Employers get to be picky when each job posting yields as many as 400 applicants.....

[–]AmiMHF 10 points11 points ago

I get what you're saying, but wouldn't employers get fewer resumes if they posted job advertisements that were more specific in their desired skill set and posted, say, estimated salary ranges and expected hours of work? When your job posting says something vague like:

Bachelor's degree in anything

1-8 years related experience (while not giving much information on what the job entails and therefore what would be considered related experience)

Good communication skills/works well in a team/has a "can-do" attitude/has at some point in their life used a computer

you're going to get tons of resumes from anyone who thinks they have remotely what you are looking for, because people right now are desperate for work. You may be able to filter out many potential applicants (not all, as obviously people will still apply to jobs they aren't qualified for) before they even send a resume, by being more specific.

[–]silverscreemer 5 points6 points ago

They want to cast a wide net...

[–]AmiMHF 8 points9 points ago

...and then complain about the results...

[–]Lurcho 10 points11 points ago

...after the HR department head decided ahead of time to give the job to their cousin...

[–]sacman 0 points1 point ago

I have to tell you, I'm not one of the doom-and-gloomers. I'm gainfully employed, nice career, good salary, etc.

Sorry, perhaps I shouldn't be posting in this thread at all. But I've got something that I think is relevant.

Have you seen the job figures lately? It's getting better. And better. And better. And...

...there will be a fucking reckoning. Sure, right now, employers have their pick. And that will change. It will be payback, on some level. Payback where the employees have their pick of the employers. It doesn't seem like that will happen right now, but it will - the economy is cyclical. We're on the upswing from a very, very low low.

Believe me, I used to run a fast food joint in one of the richest towns in the US. It was in the mid-90s, when things were freaking booming. And I could not get people to work for me. It sucked ass, as an employer.

I should also add that it's quite difficult for my current employer to find qualified employees. Oh, the "qualified" thing. Yes, it's true, we very, very rarely hire people without any experience or any of the other qualifications that are concomitant with our business (insurance). But it's gotten noticeably more difficult to get employees lately. Thankfully, we treat employees well, so no bad karma is out there lurking.

But we're probably the exception. It's going to be difficult for employers sooner than you think.

Hope this cheers you up a little.

[–]anonymous_hero 8 points9 points ago

Have you seen the job figures lately? It's getting better. And better.

Sorry but the decreasing unemployment numbers are just bullshit propaganda spewed by your government. Your real unemployment rate is closer to 20% than 8.3%.

[–]MusicPorn 10 points11 points ago

Everyone is agreeing here. I've never seen this happen on Reddit. What the fuck is happening?

[–]neurorex 4 points5 points ago

What the fuck is happening?

Most scumbag job selection strategies have pissed off enough people.

[–]Canalize 20 points21 points ago

Just know, I FEEL YOU

[–]Stephen_Netu 1 point2 points ago

Same. A thousand times, same.

[–]ronintetsuro 25 points26 points ago

Yeah, that's how it feels BEFORE you get a job.

Because there are so many people looking, employers think that gives them carte blanche to treat their employees like dogshit.

"Oh, you don't like it? Well, why doens't baby hike up his diaper and just find a new job? There's so many to choose from, I'm sure you will fight your way to the top of the pile and find something where they will powder your vagina every hour. No? They get back to your 14 hour shift with no overtime and shut the fuck up."

[–]RandomAnnoyances 11 points12 points ago

That's the story where I work. I happen to be skilled and have a critical position in the company and they have treated me like shit for the past two years I've been here. I feel sorry for my co-workers who have more common skills, make lower wages, and less opportunities. My theory is that we are having a "doomed to repeat the past" moment. We are reverting to indentured servitude where our masters are our employers and banks. They devalue labor and people in so many ways that we all end up debasing ourselves just to survive. I think the next step is back to becoming serfs.

[–]BlissfulHeretic 6 points7 points ago

No--the next step is revolution, then dictatorship of the proletariat. Viva la revolución!

[–]RandomAnnoyances 1 point2 points ago

I would prefer comprehensive reform... but, ultimately you're right.

[–]sailfaster 10 points11 points ago

this is why everyones eventual goal should be to work for yourself, its far from the apocalypse, but were brought up that x degree gets y salary and yada yada yada, and it all turns to bullshit once a recession happens.

[–]kubananas 9 points10 points ago

In bad times, you have to lower your standards but keep looking. Maybe you will get the chance to throw the scraps back in someones face and tell them "this dog shit isn't good enough, I'm worth more than this." You might not get that chance for a really long time, but at least you'll have a job in the meantime and when you do get the opportunity, it'll be sweet, sweet vengeance.

[–]Left-Hand-Path 23 points24 points ago

You are not alone, my friend, you are definitely not alone. And yes, it is the apocalypse.

[–]CubicleM0nkey 6 points7 points ago

Only if you give up your humanity and will to persevere.

[–]pujuma 4 points5 points ago

yeah I want to fly a fucking plane into my work place

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[–]g33n 2 points3 points ago

I remember this; I thought it was a guy mad at his employer but it turns out it wasn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Tampa_plane_crash

[–]Lunar_Sunrise 0 points1 point ago

This user was arrested for this comment.

[–]iveseenthings 12 points13 points ago

Ha, I came here expecting to see downvotes and anger and sarcasm about this statement, instead it's all people basically commiserating and agreeing, or at least trying to offer hope. I don't know if that's a good or bad sign for us.

At least when the zombie/nuclear/holocaust/apocalpyse/revolution comes we know we can all band together.

OP and Ronin are both right. We fight like dogs over rotten scraps, and the "winners" soon realize there's not much to celebrate.

I'm a college grad just on my way back for applying for even more jobs, this time at a factory and a restaurant, and was thinking much the same. We have to grovel and beg for the worst low end jobs, just to even have a chance at an interview for a job that doesn't even pay the bills, much less one that could even be considered to give gainful income. The only thing getting harder sometimes to find than jobs is the gas money to go apply for jobs that will cover the gas.

I was also thinking how I've never worked a job for more than 10 dollars an hour, yet I can't say the number of times that if I've even HAD down time at a job, that a manager would come along and say something along the lines of "I can always find MORE work for you to do..". Yet those at the very top have "business lunches" and don't even know what a time clock is, don't have to clock in or out, never hear "smith, you were 4 minutes late today!", on top of all the other perks. And not to mention they're getting even more stringent and trying to push for even more drug testing for welfare/social programs/low end jobs.

"What's that dog? NO ALE FOR YOU! You wallow in that filth sober."

At least black people knew when they were slaves, Americans remain clueless; willfully ignorant of the red white and blue dick that's getting jammed up their ass.

OP can keep the meth, but hand me a gun when the apocalypse comes. Lets do this.

[–]pingish 2 points3 points ago

this is the nature of entry-level.... why are you bitching?

[–]ExpenseAccounts -5 points-4 points ago

You complain about the people taking business lunches and not getting bitched out for being 4 minutes late, but do you know what those people actually do? The amount of responsibility that the people taking business lunches have is way over some entry level data-entry monkey position where your only job is to convert information, not generate it. It's the difference between a professional and a laborer. A laborer is paid by the hour, and if they don't work the hours they are supposed to, then they are at fault. A professional is paid to do a job, whether that job takes 30 minutes or 10 hours, they are expected to get it done. When I don't show up to work until 10 or so, it's not a big deal because there is an assumption that I know that I have to get things done. And please don't come with this drivel about how those at the top haven't earned it. The folks I work with have all worked extremely hard in high school, extremely hard in college, and studied for weeks at a time to interview in order to be at the place we are.

[–]iveseenthings 2 points3 points ago

Yeah yeah, i appreciate your rote sentiment. But implicit in that statement is some denial that those at the bottom and lower level's DON'T work just as hard. THAT'S my fucking point. Not once did I say they were lazy, I just stated that there's a whole world of BS that when you're on the lower end, you have to put up with, that you don't have to deal with as you're up the ladder.

[–]ExpenseAccounts -3 points-2 points ago

The point is to work hard when you need to work hard, and work smart when you need to work smart. The time to work hard is high school and college. There are very few cases where someone who truly puts in the effort needed in high school and college isn't rewarded with at least some kind of job, if not a great job. Public high school is free, and even in the worst schools there are kids who rise to the top and get full-rides into good colleges. From there, you work hard and study something that builds skills or signals how intelligent you are. Of course, you're free to study English or psychology, but don't bitch and moan when you can't find a job afterward, there is no excuse for not knowing that those are essentially dead-end majors. Do these things, graduate from a good college with great grades in a good subject and you should be set. I realize there are people who haven't done these things and have one reason or another for it, but you can almost always trace those cases back to a lack of working hard, at least in the US.

Look, no one deserves anything, not a good and fulfilling job, not healthcare, not money, nothing. You are born and then you have to scrape and hustle to get those things. People that realize that early on are the ones now taking business lunches on a generous expense account. The people that are complaining about their dead-end positions have no one to blame but themselves. I realize how callous and uncaring that sounds, but that's the way the world works. Look around, the people at the top generally worked hard and smart for it. Participation trophies don't exist in real life, no person, company, or government owes you anything. The sooner you realize that, the sooner you can start improving your situation. That's the long and short of it.

[–]Diffie-Hellman 3 points4 points ago

Even when working, I'm invested in the future of the company, but I know that I give them more loyalty than they give to me. The cards are stack in the house's favor at all times. You can be fired for any reason at any time, but if you quit, exercising the exact same rights, it often becomes a black mark. That said, I have no problems talking about my terrible experiences working as an IT guy at General Electric. I have no problem knowing that if a better job threw me an offer, I would jump ship with a two week notice. I know that HR is NOT there to serve your interests, and to really get something done, you may have to skirt them completely.

On another hand, many companies do not want to be the next GE, Google, Microsoft, or Dell. They want to do what they do with the end game of being bought out so that their board gets rich. That's the end game. Be bought by a big guy, because you make more money selling a company than running one. The next thing is that you should not expect to work at one company until retirement anymore. A job change is the new raise. You should be thankful that someone is paying you for your hard work and the skills that YOU have built.

Welcome to the new workforce.

[–]neurorex 3 points4 points ago

The worst part is that most of them don't even think this is a problem. They have every justification they can scrape up on asking off the cuff questions and think they've discovered the holy grail of employee selection. There's no problem with treating applicants with disrespect and no regards because they think there is no consequences from it.

And they're happy to keep going this way.

[–]KDIZZLL 1 point2 points ago

America is a 3rd world economy.

Top 3 employers in America.

1.Dept. of Defense(Military)

2.Walmart

3.McDonalds

A service industry economy is the definition of a 3rd world economy, couple that with our failing monetary system,dept,spending and the looming hyper inflation bubble and you have all the reasons in the world to bet against America's dominance in the world.

The writings on the wall America, you just don't have the eyes to see it!

[–]cloud25 5 points6 points ago

-_-

[–]Mizzike 2 points3 points ago

It's only halftime, though.

Clint said so. :(

[–]KDIZZLL 1 point2 points ago

It seems that way doesn't it, =(.... I guess we wait till tomorrow then.

One just doesn't simply walk into that place, it just wouldn't be right.

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[–]KDIZZLL -3 points-2 points ago

Then prove me wrong Einstein, what is the definition then....name calling doesn't prove anything, it only proves your lack of maturity....waiting...

[–]KDIZZLL -4 points-3 points ago

Waiting?......prove me wrong then?

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[–]KDIZZLL -1 points0 points ago

Okay I see your point then I guess I misspoke, America is post industrial, we don't export much of anything anymore, we are a service to service economy, or in other words we got McDonalds jobs that don't pay shit, therefore people can't buy shit that they need to stimulate the economy and our Government prints fiat currency with no oversite under the table and creates inflation for everyone in the process.

[–]ProtonBetaDecay -1 points0 points ago*

No it isn't, what are you talking about. An expanded service sector and exporting of unskilled industrial jobs has happened in basically every single first world economy in the last half century.

[–]ProtonBetaDecay -1 points0 points ago

And what hyper inflation bubble? Even with the Fed lowering interest rates to nothing in the last three years, inflation in the last two years has been substantially lower on average than 2003-2009, and 2009 even saw overall deflation for the year.

This is what hyperinflation means: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation

[–]KDIZZLL 1 point2 points ago

We have 200 Trillion in derivatives debt and 1.5 QUADRILLION worldwide because of a lack of bank regulation, and if you read the progressive bailout bill we gave 28 Trillion to banks in total, the dollar is a fiat currency, the more you print the less it's worth, the bubble is the point before the shit hits the fan and then I'm paying double for everything via inflation, I'm sorry the television hasn't informed you of any of this but that doesn't mean it's not true.

[–]KDIZZLL -1 points0 points ago

Than what is a 3rd world economy? so exporting jobs is an example of a 1st world economy by your logic?..please tell me more?

[–]ProtonBetaDecay 0 points1 point ago*

It's usually based on agriculture and low-tech industry? 3rd world economy isn't the same as bad economy.

When Bangladesh starts outsourcing garment jobs to the United States it'll be safe to call it a third world economy.

[–]TerrorAlert -1 points0 points ago

That's an awesome attitude! I can see why an employer would jump all over you.

Oh and fyi, small businesses are really the moving factor for our economy as they create 75 percent of the net new jobs in our economy.

[–]KDIZZLL -4 points-3 points ago

Okay?...and America is flooded with big box stores and no small "mom and pop" businesses anymore so what is your point Einstein?...please elaborate fuck face?

[–]Loki_SW -2 points-1 points ago

Well considering how most likely your application was a very impersonal submission of a resume to Monster or CareerBuilder why should they take the time to answer? Plus with an average posting getting over 400 responses what do you expect them to do?

Instead focus on how to make yourself a more attractive candidate who has companies calling you for jobs you didn't even apply for.

[–]woodrail[S] 0 points1 point ago

“Governments, if they endure, always tend increasingly toward aristocratic forms. No government in history has been known to evade this pattern. And as the aristocracy develops, government tends more and more to act exclusively in the interests of the ruling class -- whether that class be hereditary royalty, oligarchs of financial empires, or entrenched bureaucracy.” ― Frank Herbert, Children of Dune