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[–]sapo916 174 points175 points ago

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You drew your weapon after being physically attacked in close quarters and you had enough restraint to not mindlessly unload your weapon after that. A great job indeed.

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[–]foshaug 74 points75 points ago

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Milk was a bad choice

[–]molrobocop 46 points47 points ago

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It's so damn hot.

[–]RobAlter 13 points14 points ago

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That is what Schweddy Balls ice cream is for

[–]ellceeGT 14 points15 points ago

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Bourbon, more correct first choice. Especially when paired with ice cream.

[–]basscheez 29 points30 points ago

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Bourbon, more correct first choice. Especially when paired with ice cream Vicodin.

FTFY

[–]bemenaker 11 points12 points ago

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Vicodin contains acetaminophen. So no, mixing with bourbon is a bad idea. Unless you like sudden liver failure.

Google acetaminophen and alcohol if you don't believe me.

[–]Travesura 7 points8 points ago

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Acetaminophen is not very soluble in water, Hydrocodone is.

crush it up in some water, swish well, drink the water and throw away the residue.

Acetaminophen is shit I wish they would take it off the market.

[–]Pwag 13 points14 points ago

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I second this.

[–]Koneri 39 points40 points ago

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You did great! My only pointer because you ask would be to call the Police at the scene ASAP. Depending on where it happened and if you are lucky enough to have a patrol unit in the area, they might have caught this trash. Not much chance really but at least some.

Also this is not a case of just assault. This is an attempted robbery by definition. Much more serious offense than just assault.

Again....good job!

[–]Traveshamockery27 22 points23 points ago

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Disagree...leave the scene then call the cops. Get yourself away from danger first.

[–]studflucker 7 points8 points ago

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I can't honestly say that I know I would stay at the scene or get away as I haven't been put in the position to have to choose yet, thankfully. However, I would probably agree with getting out of the area of danger. Unless shots were fired, anything at that scene can be recovered (post facto), security tapes, witnesses etc...

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points ago

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That's pretty much what happened. I wanted to reach my safe zone (which was home) before making any rash decisions. The parking lots tapes were pulled and a list of possible witnesses was compiled.

Investigation is ongoing.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points ago

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Thank you. Yeah, hindsight is 20/20, but I honestly just wanted to get home haha. The detective said the charges would be 2nd degree assault, attempted grand theft auto, and attempted grand larceny if caught. All I'd have to do is ID him if he's brought in.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points ago

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But how would you recognize him?

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points ago

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Unique tattoo's as well as facial features. We were face-to-face for a good 10-15 seconds.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points ago

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....Mike Tyson?

[–]Falldog 5 points6 points ago

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I hope you get the chance to ID him.

[–]FrankManic 2 points3 points ago

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That's understandable. The parts of your brain that are doing the work in high stress situations care more about "Get safe now" than paperwork.

[–]bubblescivic 150 points151 points ago

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Congratulations on making it out alive. Some of my friends think I'm insane for always carrying my sidearm (Keltec PF-9 or Glock 23) but I tell them two things, which are a bit cliche if I might add:

1) It is better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.

2) It is better to be tried by twelve than carried by six.

[–][deleted] 43 points44 points ago

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Never heard either of those, but I like them, especially #2.

Thank you sir.

[–]8lbSweetBabyJesus 155 points156 points ago

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"Why do you carry a gun?"

"Cops are to heavy."

[–]ImWildBill 20 points21 points ago

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I'm in law enforcement and I tell people that all the time when I get asked why they should get a carry permit...

[–]NSView 32 points33 points ago

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And slow.

[–]producer35 19 points20 points ago

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But that would make an impression. Difficult to carry concealed though.

[–]Tetha 26 points27 points ago

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Midget-cops in suitcases?

[–]ltkernelsanders 28 points29 points ago

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That's considered AOW, better have your tax stamp.

[–]kgriggs75 10 points11 points ago

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The donut bill would be enormous month to month.

[–]dhv1258 9 points10 points ago

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too

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[–]FrankManic 11 points12 points ago

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plus bears. Can't forget bears.

[–]somerandomtext 7 points8 points ago

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I like #1. Read that for the first time in Lonesome Dove. Great novel.

[–]mccscott 1 point2 points ago

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I've been preaching this since I first heard it.Amen.

[–]deepfriedpirate 25 points26 points ago

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You did well for a real draw, and lucky that he didn't make you shoot him.

Also, the tl;dr is perfect.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points ago

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Thank you. I hope I never have to do it again.

And my brain is a bit overexhausted, so I couldn't give a real tl;dr...

[–]Sandmanifest 13 points14 points ago

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It's okay. I really like that tl;dr.

[–]lizard450 23 points24 points ago

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You don't win until you escape the situation. Your vision was impaired and you don't know what kind of backup that shithead had. Getting the fuck out of there was the RIGHT CALL. Heading home I think was also the RIGHT CALL. The only other place would have been the hospital and that depends on how familiar you were to get from A-B if you weren't 100% then fuck it go home.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points ago

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Closest hospital is roughly 45 minutes away where as home is only 10. Also, my girlfriend is a nurse. Home was the better option.

[–]ronpaulbacon 11 points12 points ago

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So the statistics of 9/10 times you need to pull a gun you don't have to fire it. Held true for you. Good man.

[–]CaptainTitus 28 points29 points ago

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I should forward this to my boss, he doesn't allow concealed carry in the office.

I'm also glad to see you're ok.

[–]fuzzwell 6 points7 points ago

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One of the things that I had to do when I bought my business was to decide whether or not to allow carry on the property. I carry every day, and so does my business partner.

So, we decided that we would be better off if the people that had legal CCW permits were allowed to carry, but, we ask that they tell us if they plan to carry.

So, when they tell us that they want to carry, we bring them in, give them some books about legality of carrying, and the book "in the gravest extreme" to borrow, and then we tell them NOT to shoot anyone in the business, and to NOT let their tempers get the best of them, and that if we don't see the gun, and NOBODY sees the gun, (concealed means concealed) then all is well.

5 out of 6 people in the office now carry. 4 out of 40 in the shop carry.

One guy in the shop decided to carry OWB the other week and people freaked out, and he said "I was just trying my new holster" and I made him go leave the gun and holster in his car until he could bring his IWB holster the next day.

So, it's caused a bit of upheaval since then, but it's worth it.

Legally able to carry by law, and you can carry in our workplace. Just don't shoot anyone please.

[–]B5_S4 8 points9 points ago

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Glad you're okay man, There's a lot of speculation in here about if you would have been justified in firing. I'm also a Florida resident and the law says if anyone tries to forcibly enter your vehicle, or forcibly remove you from it you fall under castle doctrine and are well within your rights to defend yourself with deadly force.

I also am unable to carry at work, though if I were you I would anyway. I am prevented from carrying by law, you are prevented by policy. I'd take getting fired over getting shot in a parking lot any day.

Also Publix subs are fucking amazing. Publix was my first real job when I was 16. There are a lot of weird people that worked at mine.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points ago

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My store manager is a former Marine who is a CCW holder as well, but enforces the company policy of no weapons in the workplace. I respect it, thus the reason I don't carry at work.

Also, having to wear a tucked-in shirt and apron and trying to draw like that is insanely difficult. My Glock isn't small enough for a boot holster.

[–]Spaceneedle420 102 points103 points ago

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He was sooooo lucky you didn't paint the parking lot with his brains.

[–][deleted] 89 points90 points ago

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I'm glad I didn't have to. Would have meant another hour or more at the police station...

Joking aside, I don't know how I would react to taking another human life...

[–]Spaceneedle420 18 points19 points ago

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Well I have to ask do you have training? They say only training kicks-in alone when the adrenaline kicks in and your struggling.

Yea I probably imagine it would take a toll on the psyche but all in all his choice not yours. I often wrestle my conscious over this issue because in a fistfight/ altercation your weapon can be turned on you. That my friend is my real fear. Having to choose.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points ago

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I've taken advanced close combat training and handgun classes, mainly in preparation for my Security G license (armed security license in the state of Florida).

So it was mostly training that kicked in, but it still doesn't soften the aftermath.

[–]filseyphill 72 points73 points ago

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Adrenaline dump lasts for days. This will take some time to leave your system.

You just saved your own life. Good for you. You achieved the greatest victory possible: You saved yourself from a potentially deadly situation, using your own firearm - the tool you dedicated yourself to training with and carrying for this one chance event - to control the situation, AND NO ONE DIED

I don't know if this means much, but from one free human being to another: I am very proud of you.

[–]SergeantTibbs 28 points29 points ago

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It's the and no one died part that's the greatest. He has a chance to reevaluate his path in life and you don't have his life on your conscience. Congrats, friend, I'm glad it went so well for you.

[–]_mjolnir_ 16 points17 points ago*

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He should have shot him in the dick.

A good shot to the dick will make you reevaluate your life real quick. I promise he would not have forgotten that night.

EDIT: typo

[–]scrubadub 24 points25 points ago

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A bad shot to the dick would probably also work

[–]filseyphill 8 points9 points ago*

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I took a self-defense course with a Colo-rectal surgeon. He offered for the rest of the class a description - from personal experience - what gunshot trauma was like to the pelvic area.

The assailant will never forget: He mightwill never walk, urinate, or move his bowels like a normal human being ever again. Then again, the assailant might never have a chance to remember: a combination of potential damage to MAJOR vascular pathways, and the septic nature of wounds rupturing the colon is potentially very lethal.

[–]jecowa 14 points15 points ago

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You don't shoot a guy in the dick! You never shoot a guy in the dick! Everyone knows that! Shooting a guy in the dick!? That's just...that's just weak...I can't believe you, Butters.

[–]tophergz 6 points7 points ago

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Massad Ayoob teaches people to aim at the groin (ctrl+f "groin") for a psychological advantage and clear LOS.

Some criminals are used to have guns pointed at them, but most are not accustomed to having a going pointed at them down there.

[–]kmartburrito 2 points3 points ago

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While I know others are downvoting you for your off-color suggestion, it did give me a good chuckle while reading about a serious situation, so have an upvote.

[–]monochromatic_oeuvre 5 points6 points ago

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Yeah, I'm sure he learned his lesson.

Oh well, I guess we can hope.

[–]Lost216 10 points11 points ago

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He may not have learned the error of his ways, but he may well be too scared to try something like this again. That's a victory in my eyes.

[–]Edmund_Heckler 17 points18 points ago

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He also might decide to bring a gun of his own next time.

[–]Ag-E 4 points5 points ago*

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This is probably the most likely scenario. If not a gun, some other actual weapon that he can threaten (or hit harder) with first to not give the person time to draw their own.

Thinking on it some more, he didn't, at the time, know that his attacker's buddy wasn't behind him (popping out of the flatbed or from under the truck) just waiting to land another hit. A gunshot would have at least startled him while neutralizing his current attacker and given him a chance to survey.

Seems better IMO to shoot and give yourself more of a chance to react to currently unknown threats as well as save someone else from being victimized (in the last week we've read about 2 scenarios of burglars being scared off with guns, only to victimize someone else).

[–]ase8913 2 points3 points ago

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wow, that was the most poetic comment I've ever read. I am very proud of you.

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[–][deleted] 14 points15 points ago

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We only skimmed over proper apprehension and detention techniques and laws. At the time, I had no desire to apprehend this kid, I just wanted him to leave.

[–]knullcon 10 points11 points ago

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Too many movies bro, no one does citizen arrests, that kid is lucky he got to keep his face. Honestly you hope that stops the kid from doing it again, but it may also make him realize he needs a gun of his own, and in FLA there is no shortage of that.

[–]NitsujTPU 10 points11 points ago

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Did you remember to scan and assess after giving this gentleman the option to run?

[–]TheNr24 11 points12 points ago

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Gun-n00b here, what do you mean by that?

[–]w0uld 20 points21 points ago

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Scan the area for any other potential threats before you holster your weapon. You never know if the attacker may have an accomplice getting ready to attack you while you are zeroed in on the initial attacker. I've always been trained to use the sul position and scan 360-degrees for any other potential threats before holstering. And yes, I do this at the range while practicing as well.

[–]TheNr24 8 points9 points ago

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Thanks for explaining but what's with the sul position? Why hold it like that?

[–]w0uld 16 points17 points ago

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It keeps the pistol in close with it angled roughly 10-20 degrees away from your feet. This position 1) allows you to use the large muscles in your upper body to keep the gun in control should someone try to wrestle it from you, and 2) it allows you to turn 360-degrees without sweeping anyone.

[–]toothsayer 2 points3 points ago

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What's with the thumb on thumb action?

[–]EugeneHarlot 2 points3 points ago

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I learned that as "Check your world"

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points ago

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No, I only did a quick left and right glance after drawing. After he ran off, I did a quick assessment of the area before promptly slumping to the ground to catch my breath.

[–]lizard450 11 points12 points ago

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how did he get the jump on you in the first place?

[–]TheNr24 8 points9 points ago

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Element of surprise I'm guessing.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points ago

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Most likely he was hiding in the cart return area near my truck as it makes for good cover due to the bushes, waiting for me to turn my back.

[–]Demonspawn 9 points10 points ago

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And here you recognize where things went wrong. Your reaction skills were good, but you apparently still need to work on your situational awareness.

A good answer would be "I noticed him near the cart return area but didn't recognize him as a threat"

P.S. I'm not dogging you; I'm helping you improve :)

[–]pranksterturtle 2 points3 points ago

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Hmm. I think I'll be parking farther away from possible concealment from now on.

[–]Talman 8 points9 points ago

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Which school?

Also... I take that you're working non-security, or as unarmed, and have to put your gun on after getting out of work?

Also, for everyone else: The state of Florida only requires 28 hours of training for a security gun permit, and none of it has anything to do with practical shooting or defensive tactics. This guy had to pay for training on his own dime, or his security company paid for it for him.

Most guard firms do not pay for this, and all you learn is how the revolver or 9mm pistol works, what the names of the parts are, when you can shoot under Florida Statutes, and then if you can hit a fucking target.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points ago

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I currently work at a grocery store, saving up more money for school as well as other things while looking for a decent security or LE job.

I took my classes at S2 Institute in Orlando. Decent pricing for a well laid out classes.

[–]Talman 4 points5 points ago

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Ah, I had a feeling it was at S2. I'm familiar with S2 and their benefactors in Tampa.

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I'd recommend them to anyone. They're fairly well known, and definitely know their beans.

[–]hooraah 3 points4 points ago

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Florida here also. Can I ask what part? Since I've started carrying I've become very appreciative of the firearm and self defense laws in Florida.

[–]londubhawc 7 points8 points ago

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I was about to say. I personally think that you're both lucky you didn't have to do.

[–]sethgecko 9 points10 points ago*

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The guy I took the C&C class with also spoke this way. In his case it was, "given what happened I would have no problem lightin' him up." It was filled with a hollow bravado, a sense of superiority coming mainly from the fact that he carried a weapon, rather than genuine confidence. I found it undermined his intended message of the day: be responsible, be safe.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points ago

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My CQC instructor was a former SEAL, and had that thousand yard stare at times. That stare that only comes from someone who has taken human life away.

This man did not need to put up a false sense of confidence. He just oozed it. And I have nothing but respect for him.

People who say "i would have vented his ass" or similar really irk me. You don't know what you would do in that situation until you're there or have been there before.

[–]scrubadub 2 points3 points ago

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Did he continue to fight you while you drew your weapon, or was it a single punch then a demand for the truck?

[–]pjpark 11 points12 points ago

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FTYFY:

OP was sooooo lucky he didn't have to paint the parking lot with the kid's brains. Killing people, even in self defense, is extremely expensive financially and emotionally.

[–]expload 10 points11 points ago

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As a Florida CCW permit holder these stories remind me why I take the extra few seconds to slap on my Supertuck/M&P setup on instead of throwing my other pistol in the glove box. I hope to never draw but you never know what can happen and you never know when you need a chambered weapon that's ready to go.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points ago

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As an employee of Publix and a Florida CCW permit holder, my employment comes first before the right to carry a weapon. Money needs to be made in order to keep carrying.

I would absolutely love to carry while at work, especially due to the shady creatures who inhabit the area, but company policy prohibits it :(

[–]expload 4 points5 points ago

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Oh I hear you on that, I adhere to my employers rules on firearms in the work place. I work in a building with gated parking and leave everything in the car and wont "strap up" if I'm not going straight home. Glad you only came out with a sucker punch, PS I fucking love my Buffalo Chicken Tender Subs from Publix!

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points ago

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That is exactly what I had for lunch today.... Also, Publix deli subs kick ass.

[–]patmcrotch42069 2 points3 points ago

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publix deli is the fucking shit. i would argue that it beats most dedicated sub shops where i live.

[–]expload 2 points3 points ago

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I'll get a whole one, eat the one half for lunch and the other for dinner. So good...

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points ago

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Italian on white with yellow mustard instead of mayo, lettuce tomato black olive and dash of black pepper.

So. Damn. Good.

[–]expload 2 points3 points ago

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May have to try it with the yellow mustard my standard is pretty simple, White with lettuces tomatoes green pepper and provolone cheese using a regular chicken tenders sliced up and then add buffalo sauce so its still crispy.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

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Mouthgasm.

[–]expload 2 points3 points ago

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Great now I know what I'm eating tomorrow. This is somehow an elaborate plot from Publix to make a stop at their deli for Publix awesomeness!

[–]oSpaZMaNo 5 points6 points ago

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Glad you're ok. Any damage to the eye?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

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Nope, just some wonderful coloring and a lot of swelling. Going to the docs tomorrow to get checked out.

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[–]dbadaddy 5 points6 points ago

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this is excellent advice.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

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Already done at the police station. Thanks!

[–]patmcrotch42069 3 points4 points ago

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getting hit when youre not looking is the worst. that sucks dude.

[–]MrWiggles2 19 points20 points ago

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I read this on the toilet and I still shat myself.

[–]aresius 19 points20 points ago

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Next time try it without pants on.

[–]imfromtheinternets 4 points5 points ago

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what would've happened to you, if you'd shot him? from the law perspective

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points ago

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Basically, from the way the detective who took my statement put it, it would have been a lot more paperwork on both ends as well as many visits to the courthouse and even more possibly from the ensuing lawsuits by the family members of the not-yet-deceased.

Also, I would probably be an emotional wreck right now and not have posted this yet.

[–]ErasmusDarwin 5 points6 points ago

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as well as many visits to the courthouse and even more possibly from the ensuing lawsuits by the family members of the not-yet-deceased.

This sounds like an exaggerated worst case.

Since you were in your car at the time, the law was heavily stacked in your favor -- 776.013 (1) (the castle doctrine statute) would make the presumption that your life was in danger since he was unlawfully and forcefully entering an occupied vehicle. That coupled with the protections in 776.032 (criminal and civil immunity for lawful self-defense) should protect you from lawsuits.

Of course the text of the laws comprises just one part of how the justice system works in practice. But if you had shot, I think you would have ended up okay legally.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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OK legally, fucked up mentally.

Still glad I didn't drop him. Thanks for the research though!

[–]rkolb86 7 points8 points ago

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Just remember, always shoot-to-kill. Never take any chances if somebody is willing to attempt to take your life.

On that note, In NJ (yes again), the only time you can legally shoot somebody is on property you personally own, inside your personal building. You can only shoot them if they are attempting to take your life.

This means that they can legally take your tv out of the house, or even kidnap your children while you stand around and wait for the police.

If you shoot or hit them and they survive, they can legally sue you for assault or assault with a weapon...and win.

Now in the case of them kidnapping your child from your house, based on the way the law is written, shooting them would be illegal. However, I doubt anybody would prosecute you for this...although somehow you would have to prove that they were attempting to kidnap somebody, which would be impossible to do.

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NJ needs to have their law-writing license revoked....

[–]MobileD 3 points4 points ago

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Just more reasons to hate Jersey

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points ago

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I don't know why anyone would want to live in a state that doesn't allow you to pump your own gas...

[–]shockfyre 10 points11 points ago

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You can't pump your own gas there?!

What the actual fuck????

[–]B5_S4 5 points6 points ago

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It was a law passed a long time ago to create jobs (for the minimum wage slaves that pump the gas). Its completely retarded.

[–]rkolb86 2 points3 points ago

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Agreed. I am moving out as soon as I can. I actually got yelled at for pumping my own gas the other day cause the attendant was taking far too long.

[–]rkolb86 2 points3 points ago

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Yeah man...they can even impound your car for as little as having tint on your front windows or a gps mounted on your windshield. Although its rare that the cops will do it, obstruction of view makes the car illegal to drive, therefore able to be impounded.

[–]interweb_wanderer 4 points5 points ago

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If you shoot or hit them and they survive, they can legally sue you for assault or assault with a weapon

Guess you better make sure they don't survive then.

Seriously, screw New Jersey.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

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Double-tap to the heart usually ensures that.

[–]sanph 2 points3 points ago

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I take it Florida doesn't have a Stand Your Ground law then? I thought they did. Sucks for you.

[–]wickedcold 4 points5 points ago

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They do. You still have to prove your case in civil court if you get sued. All the castle laws mean is that you won't be charged with a crime.

[–]Testiculese 2 points3 points ago

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What a bummer. PA enhanced the Castle by removing the ability to file a civil suit against you unless you are charged for wrongful death...which is near impossible unless you weren't actually a victim.

[–]studflucker 4 points5 points ago

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Glad you're alright.

I don't know if you're a drinkin' man, but here have a beer. (TSSSsstt)

[–]ltkernelsanders 5 points6 points ago

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Glad everything turned out alright for you. Only thing I'd be worried about is that he might come back with his own gun or more people or both, at some point. I would talk to your boss, show him the police report or even have him talk to the police, and see if there is anything you can do about being able to carry from the store to your car since you have now been involved in an incident that warrants it.

Edit: Not that you shouldn't have been able to carry to begin with, I'm just looking at it from their stand point and it seems now you have a bit more ground to stand on in that respect.

[–]Howlinghound 5 points6 points ago

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Odd question, maybe, but do you remember having your finger on the trigger as you pointed it at him or was it off?

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Was ready to fire if necessary, so yes finger was on the trigger.

[–]Howlinghound 3 points4 points ago

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Scary. I'm glad you didn't have to do the worst. Also, if your screen name is a reference to Ghost Rider...you kick ass.

[–]asgarnieu 8 points9 points ago

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Glad you're (mostly) okay, jblaze123. Sounds like you did everything by the book.

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Thanks

[–]XFDRaven 11 points12 points ago

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It makes me sad that in my state if I draw I have to shoot or else I get raped by the DA. (And then if you do shoot you still get raped by the DA).

Good job all around though. You did exactly what was needed.

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Lucky I live in Florida, where gun laws are fairly lax. Also, I live in a fairly quiet city, so events like this are unusual.

[–]tophergz 14 points15 points ago

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I wouldn't say "fairly lax" I'd say "fair to CCW victim of crimes".

[–]Traveshamockery27 10 points11 points ago

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Which state do you live in? That sounds like gun counter BS to me. Have you read the statutes for yourself?

[–]studflucker 7 points8 points ago

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this one thousand times. I ALWAYS take it upon my self to read the ACTUAL statutes that govern my gun carrying/using rights in my state. It can be hard to decipher some of the legalese, but if I have any questions I consult my attorney. I don't take anyone's word for anything pertaining to the law.

[–]pinion13 9 points10 points ago

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I personally would have told "homeboy" to sit the fuck down while I called the cops.. I understand how fast it all happened though and I'm glad you are ok.

Did they find him?

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points ago

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I wish I had the presence of mind to do so, but I just wanted it to be over.

As of now, I haven't heard anything about him being found.

[–]funksoldier83 5 points6 points ago

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Good on ya, brutha. God bless and thanks for putting it out there to the criminal community that some people carry. Life must taste really sweet to you right now, you deserve every ounce of it. Edit ice cream tastes pretty good too.

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Thank you sir. Life tastes very sweet right now given the tin roof ice cream I'm eating.

[–]dbadaddy 2 points3 points ago

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very glad this turned out with only minor damage to you. double up your sit. aware from now on when leaving your office because now he knows where to get a gun. not sure how you could further secure your firearm in the car while still making it easy access. I have a lockbox under my seat but it isn't a quick transfer to IWB.

[–]ProjektTHOR 2 points3 points ago

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get a few laughs

Would have been funnier if you had ice cream on your face, instead. :]

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

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Ice cream on face is a waste.

[–]Cloisonne 5 points6 points ago

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I'm really glad that you are OK and the bad guy ran away. Maybe you just saved the next guy or gal; I bet that punk thinks twice before trying to jack someone again.

Your story reminds me of something I read in a self-defense book. The author wrote that if you have to draw your gun, or fight away an assailant, that you have failed, because you weren't paying attention to your surroundings and you got surprised. I think this is the most difficult part of self-defense, the maintaining of vigilance. You don't need a gun to do it, either, but damn it, I wish I could carry one (used to live in TX, now live in IL).

[–]drabhtor 3 points4 points ago

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I told them the entire story from beginning to end, including me drawing my weapon just to make sure I was within my bounds for self defense.

Why? What if you were not within your bounds? You would possibly be in jail right now. There is no reason to tell them anything other than the other guy's actions, description, etc.

If you had broken the law, telling them would not give you a get out of jail free card, but might put you in jail. I.e., there is nothing to gain from doing this, but a lot to lose.

[–]randall6666_ 2 points3 points ago

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Man...honestly, I don't know what I would have done. I am nervous about telling the cops anything without a lawyer present. I used to not be but now everything is so messed up. I know you think you did the right thing but cops and district attorneys DO NOT EVER HAVE YOUR BEST INTEREST AT HEART! That is a natural fact. I hope all turns out well for you!

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[–]hobodemon 6 points7 points ago

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Try Black Walnut ice cream with chocolate-covered bacon. If that doesn't sound like comfort food, I don't know what does :p
Here's hoping you feel better soon, and that the kid magically transforms into a gun-fearing law-abiding honestly-working citizen as a result of this, and doesn't just decide he needs a gun himself!

[–]Ictinike 7 points8 points ago

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Oh man. Couldn't you just say Walnut ice cream? /s

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points ago

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I think I'll just have my girlfriend whip me up some chocolate covered bacon. That sounds amazing right now.

[–]hobodemon 2 points3 points ago

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Good...good...let the cholesterol run through you :p
Use thick cut bacon! Like, Oscar Meyers LUDICROUSLY thick cut bacon! Otherwise, the chocolate overpowers the bacon-taste!

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[–]aresius 2 points3 points ago

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I bet, they can fry it

[–]yakimushi 2 points3 points ago

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We fuck up a lot of stuff but when it comes to firearms and meat we got it covered.

[–]Icweinerx2 6 points7 points ago

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You did great!!!

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Thanks!

[–]420foy 5 points6 points ago

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Upvote for restraint. Don't know if I could've held back after that... Glad you're ok.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points ago

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I really hesitated. The thought absolutely crossed my mind, but I was taught to think first, pull trigger second. Probably saved the kids life, not that he deserved it...

[–]420foy 6 points7 points ago

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Well, if his first move wasn't in the opposite direction, I'm sure that your hesitation would've vanished. But still, what I'm really sure of, is that kid/guy probably saw his life flash before his eyes. Sort of a 'Fight Club' moment: tomorrow will be the best day of his life, because you didn't scramble his eggs. But hey, at least he didn't have a weapon...

[–]SupraMario 4 points5 points ago

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The problem is, he will continue to keep committing crimes and brag to all his buddies how he had a gun pulled on him and he got away...this was a win for him.

[–]darknexus 9 points10 points ago

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That's fine. You CC to protect yourself, not dish out vigilante justice or seek revenge for crimes. If you shoot someone for any other reason than immediate protection then you are no longer acting in self defense. The OP used good judgement and didn't needlessly kill anyone.

It's really disappointing to read comments like "shoulda splattered that guys brains all over the parking lot." I don't know about you guys but I'm not looking forward to killing anyone. When people say shit like that it just sounds like they can't wait to shoot at someone and be a hero.

There's a degree of moral responsibility associated with carrying a weapon like a gun and if you aren't going to use clear headed, responsible judgement then maybe you shouldn't be carrying a firearm.

This was not a "win" for anybody. There is no game to be won. This isn't cops and robbers. You are talking about the life and death of another human being. Just because someone makes a poor life decision does not immediately give you the right to deal out justice and murder them.

[–]SupraMario 2 points3 points ago

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I think you missed the point of my post. I don't want to and hope to never have to take a life. I'm not some John Wane wannabe. My point was situations like this normally don't change the other persons life. I know it's easy to say, but if he could have detained the assailant, until the police arrived I think that would have been the ideal out come, but ideal isn't always going to happen.

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If only I could convey the amount of fear I saw in those soulless eyes.

[–]modestokun 2 points3 points ago

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Hopefully this ne'er-do-well will think twice before trying to steal something in the future. Or maybe instead of throwing an intimidating punch he'll just stab or shoot someone without warning to get what he wants.

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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It's against company policy to carry a weapon into the workplace while on the clock. Keyword being "on the clock", so I can carry when not on the clock and going in as a customer.

But I also cannot store it in the locker room at work either, thus the reason I keep it in my glove box under lock and key.

[–]ramblemn 2 points3 points ago

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you are right handed/right side holstered?

[–]eirttik23 2 points3 points ago

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You didn't shoot. You gave him a choice and he made the right choice. Good for you for not being a fire happy idiot and thinking fast!

[–]OilyDischarge 13 points14 points ago

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Fake story is fake. Poster is inconsistent in his details and charge is battery not assault. The cop would know better. In law, assault is a crime causing a victim to fear violence. The term is often confused with battery, which involves physical contact. The specific meaning of assault varies between countries, but can refer to an act that causes another to apprehend immediate and personal violence, or in the more limited sense of a threat of violence caused by an immediate show of force.

[–]ohstrangeone 1 point2 points ago

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Yup, and I called it, too. You all got trolled. And goddamn if there ain't some racist motherfuckers in gunnit. Jesus Christ...

[–]sheepshankl 7 points8 points ago

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He'll be back. Or one of his friends. Or, worst case, both. And they'll bring guns this time. Reason I say this is because now they know about that Glock and they'll want it.

You were bested: had he hit you harder you would have been knocked out. You need to work on your situational awareness (seriously, you were blind-sided) and specifically how to deal with two perps approaching from different directions.

Good news: they'll likely try to jump you in the same place or near it.

[–]Edmund_Heckler 6 points7 points ago

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This seems unlikely. They'd be trying to attack a guy who they know is armed and not fucking around, and is now on high alert--especially when he's in the only place they know where to find him. I'd guess the dude will just go try to find an easier mark, like a woman.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points ago

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Good thing he didn't see my mossberg under the backseat.

[–]RestlessDreamer 4 points5 points ago

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He wouldn't need to see if he is a Redditor.

[–]libertyfox 2 points3 points ago

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dude, i have been interning with a police department and one thing you should have done is call the cops right away. They hate it when they get a call 10 minutes after the fact. If you really wanted him to get caught you should have made the call as soon as possible and follow him.

[–]libertyfox 2 points3 points ago

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but good job overall

[–]nedak 2 points3 points ago

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You're taking vicodin because you got punched in the face?

Carrying a gun is probably the best decision for you.

[–]MayorReilly 1 point2 points ago

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Forgive the noob question (I'm not a firearm owner , but hope to be within six months. I'm also not American so I'm not familiar with the law in this jurisdiction), but would it not have been better for you to order the guy to the ground and call the police? EDIT: I'm delighted you were able to protect yourself.

[–]LeafErikson 5 points6 points ago

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He could have pretended to comply and while the OP was distracted calling the police, pulled his own piece.

You never know what will happen in situations like these and it's all too easy to analyze them after to find would have/should haves.

[–]MayorReilly 2 points3 points ago

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That's true, hindsight is 20/20. I plan on getting my CCW permit once I become eligible, so it's good to hear different viewpoints on the matter.

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Not really the best option when you're already at a disadvantage like I was what with being knocked in the head. At that point, it's fight or flight, not subdue and wait.

If I were an LEO, it would be different.

[–]BloodyDog 1 point2 points ago

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How severe are your injuries?

[–]kgriggs75 1 point2 points ago

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This is why we carry outside of our front door.

[–]KevlarAllah 1 point2 points ago

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Glad you're okay. Seems like you made all the right moves, and went through the right process. Also glad you didn't have to kill/maim/wound anyone. That takes one hell of a toll on a man.

[–]Pooters 1 point2 points ago

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So wait, did he punch you after you had drawn your gun on him and you were sitting down resting? Or did he punch you after he yanked the door open?

[–]groverofl 1 point2 points ago

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A similar story happened to me, but I don't have a carrying permit. Someone was picking the lock to my backdoor when no one was home accept me. I snuck up to the gun safe and waited until he got the lock and got inside. I flicked on the lights and flaunted my father's Glock at his face and told him to run. I couldn't see his face very well to file proper police report but he had to have been in his early teens. He ran away and was later caught doing the same thing. After the incident I kept the gun very close to me for the next few weeks...

[–]internesting 1 point2 points ago

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I am glad you were safe and that things worked out, but you weren't forced to do anything. You chose to draw your weapon on him.

[–]mneptok 1 point2 points ago

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...some pointers as to what I could have done better...

You're alive. Perp's alive. Property is undamaged.

Sounds like you did just fine to me!

[–]Swifti15 1 point2 points ago

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It's situations like this I wish my state had carrying licenses. Don't be shaken up, he could have killed you just for being there. Good luck with a police report. I think every department in the country is looking for that black male wearing baggy jeans and a black sweatshirt

[–]Kollontai 1 point2 points ago

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'love the tl;dr :)

[–]imases 1 point2 points ago

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Isn't Vicodin really strong? Did he hit you with fists of steel?

[–]ALSO_ATHEISM 1 point2 points ago

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I don't understand people who commit violent crime in heavily pro-gun states like Florida. I really just don't get it. The odds of attacking someone who has a gun are not in the assailants favor.

Glad your ok jblaze.

[–]jmsh44 1 point2 points ago

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watch your back man. i wouldn't be surprised if that jackass showed up again with a weapon of his own

[–]danfive555 1 point2 points ago

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Only thing you could have done better is tactical awareness. Other than that you did really well.

[–]predatorfive 1 point2 points ago

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Would you have caught any flak for shooting this guy? On my knowledge of self defense laws, there shouldn't be any legal repercussions for defending yourself with a firearm after being assaulted. (I could be totally wrong, I've only heard from word of mouth) I fear that in a situation like this I would be fearing for my life and so adrenaline high I would've shot this man. I hope that I wouldn't be punished for being a victim. Sure I probably should not fire my handgun, but he shouldn't be punching me in the face and trying to steal my vehicle.

[–]Shol-va 1 point2 points ago

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I love reading stories like this. Cudos to you for not taking his head off.

[–]Spaker 1 point2 points ago

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I applaud you for handling this situation well after the point of the attack, but I find it odd that no one has mentioned that if you had closed the door of your car and locked it before retrieving your gun, then you may have avoided the situation all together. Sitting in a car with an open door for any length of time makes you a very tempting target. Open door and keys are all there, all the BG has to do in order to obtain the car is remove you from the equation. That's a lot easier than trying to get you to open your locked door, and depending on the bad guy's technical ability, may be much easier than stealing your unoccupied car.

I'm not saying this would avoid all such situations all the time (and may not have helped in the OPs case, depending on the details), but when I get into my car and my gun isn't on me already, I close the door, lock it, start the engine, and then retrieve my gun and holster from the glove box or console. This puts an immediate barrier between me and anyone with bad intentions, and having the engine running gives me a quick escape route without fumbling with keys under stress.

Just something to think about.

[–]fungalicious 1 point2 points ago

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So at that point, instinct kicked in and I immediately drew my weapon and pointed it at said homeboy and yelled at him to either run or make a move

I don't wanna be that guy, but whenever I read these kinds of stories on r/guns - this is the part that has me really second guessing it.

I have been in a few tense situations and the idea that you told the guy to "make a move" just strikes me as too Dirty Harry. Maybe my body processes the stress differently - but this reaction just sounds made up.

If not - you should be in some sort of special ops line of work. Because to get decked in the face, in the middle of a car jacking, and for you to have the calm, cool nerves to essentially draw on the guy and say: make my day - that's either fiction, or you got nerves of steel and need to put them in use!

[–]Murrabbit 1 point2 points ago

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Terribly sorry that you had to go through that, but I'm glad it turned out a lot better than it could have. Hope you're doing better now and that bruising goes away quickly.

That said though, whey you use the term "homeboy", it really reads as if you are very old very white and very out of touch, haha.

[–]DeadPand 1 point2 points ago

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Sounds like you handled yourself well. Good job man.

[–]aqua_scummm 1 point2 points ago

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Do you carry with one in the chamber?

If you hadn't, would you have had time to rack the slide?

[–]drum1286 2 points3 points ago

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You're the man.

That is all.