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[–]Zimb0 55 points56 points ago

Alt-Astrid is in love.

[–]30percentAlpaca 37 points38 points ago

She actually looked straight into Peter's eyes and stayed engaged. I don't think she's done that with any other person we've seen so far.

[–]styroteqe 71 points72 points ago

Because he is a random variable! She can't factor him into her equation of reality.

[–]JustSomeRedditor 42 points43 points ago

So romantic.

[–]DarenDark 20 points21 points ago

I just couldnt stop laughing when she said cool! Someone make a gif, please.

[–]Zimb0 14 points15 points ago

This is what I was thinking as well. It was pretty awesome. Still wish the producers promise of a more out of office Astrid would have panned out.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points ago

I think that Fringe is well-overdue for an astrid-centric episode

[–]Humanfish451 8 points9 points ago

I feel like this is happening soon. It might have been mentioned in io9's morning spoilers...

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points ago

Could you link to that? I don't read io9

[–]fionic 1 point2 points ago

i remember this as well, i also remember some sort of interview with the actress and her saying she was taping an astrid episode

[–]WiiAreMarshall 7 points8 points ago

I was just thinking about how her lack of eye contact was cute, then BAM!

[–]duckatthebar 45 points46 points ago

Alt-Astrid "Are you really from another time line?"

Peter "Yeah, I think so"

Alt-Astrid "Cool!"

Alt-Astrid is awesome.

[–]saywhat181 42 points43 points ago

Observer in the money crowd!!

[–]BigRelic 19 points20 points ago

This is actually the first time I've seen an Observer hidden in the show.

[–]pfitz6 11 points12 points ago

Yes me too! I thought I was finally becoming a real fan, but it seems this was a gimme.

[–]erode 5 points6 points ago

I missed it. I guess you're just getting awesome at it.

[–]essecks 5 points6 points ago

Agreed- I knew about the cameo thing, but it's the first time it's been super obvious.

[–]DarenDark 6 points7 points ago

The most obvious would have to be in Episode 14 and Episode 5 of Season 1. He took up about 75% of the screen!

[–]AndrewNeo 2 points3 points ago

Weren't they missing in this universe/timeline until the last episode? Or was I really just missing seeing them?

[–]IFightForTheLosers 2 points3 points ago

Nah, they were there, it's just that the characters were unaware of them.

[–]galaxn 6 points7 points ago

Since you're the only one that mentioned money... Anybody else think it odd that they don't use pens on the other side but they still use cash? Wouldn't they at least use plastic exclusively?

[–]Bauer22 3 points4 points ago

It could very well be that plastic is the default thing but paper money is still very symbolic. People may have been even more worked up over it because of it's potential rarity.

[–]Bobiz42 4 points5 points ago

Also, it's a different timeline/universe so maybe they still use paper.

[–]30percentAlpaca 2 points3 points ago

That's a good line of thinking. We use paper money in lieu of gold and silver and other metals and barterable items, but if someone gave me free gold, hell, I'd take it.

[–]Godeye 5 points6 points ago

[–]TheGoodDrStrawngarm 2 points3 points ago

I saw that too! And I never see them.

[–]duckatthebar 2 points3 points ago

Good spot! Only time I see them is when they're looking towards the camera.

[–]Pixel64 1 point2 points ago

First time I've ever spotted an Observer before. Ended up rewinding and watching it again, twice. Was pretty excited at the time.

[–]hardwaregeek 1 point2 points ago

but wait, wasn't he dead?

[–]Zahada 71 points72 points ago

Is it just me, or is Peters mom getting hotter?

[–]pfitz6 29 points30 points ago

serious cougar

[–]roar_error 33 points34 points ago

Double Lincoln!! Double Liv! Double Broyles! In the same room!

Double ALL things awesome!!!

[–]IFightForTheLosers 25 points26 points ago

And yet....not even one Charlie T_T

[–]roar_error 12 points13 points ago

Wait. Oh no. Do you think his bugs finally got him?

[–]IFightForTheLosers 9 points10 points ago

Or his new wife ate him after their honeymoon. I get a feeling she'd love praying mantises with their beady little eyes, but just how far would she take her love of bugs?!

[–]douchebag_karren 5 points6 points ago

Hopefully, now that Prime Suspect is off there air (Which I'm not that happy about, I loved him in that) Maybe he'll come back to Fringe.

[–]sirbruce 6 points7 points ago

WHAT DOES IT MEAN!?!?!?

[–]roar_error 10 points11 points ago

I am afraid it means there might be a second David Robert Jones.

Be Vigilant.

[–]IFightForTheLosers 18 points19 points ago

Yeah, but wouldn't it be funny if the second DRJ was just some unassuming guy working at the ice cream store during the week and helping out at the local kitten shelter on weekends?

[–]roar_error 19 points20 points ago

It would, he could give Walter tips on how to make the best strawberry milkshake and take better care of Gene.

On a serious note though, there is no trace of him in the Altverse. Maybe the first DRJ harvested the second DRJ's DNA to fix himself up after all that universe travelling.

[–]IFightForTheLosers 9 points10 points ago

Ohhh, that's a good theory! I wondered whether he'd used that shapeshifting technology on himself, but yours is way nastier, ergo better. It's also worth noting that he still had some health problems though, he had breathing issues.

[–]roar_error 4 points5 points ago

Indeed, quite Darth Vader-esque. He barely looked alive. I wonder how long he'll last, as his endgame seems to deal more with Olivia and less with personal gain. In Season 1 he tested and pushed her "abilities" and now he's in cahoots with Nina, drugging Liv with Cortexiphan.

[–]Humanfish451 4 points5 points ago

Are you sure that was Cortexiphan?

[–]roar_error 3 points4 points ago

Not really, just guessing. This is Fringe. The only thing I am sure of is that I can't be sure of anything. What's your theory?

[–]Duckylicious 2 points3 points ago

And one of his eyes is kind of bulging and bloodshot. I mean, he still looks a lot better than he did in our timeline, but that's not saying much.

[–]30percentAlpaca 36 points37 points ago

I may be proven very, very wrong later, but I get the feeling that Broyles isn't a shapeshifter. That look between him and Jones as Jones was being driven away looked pretty antagonistic and not comradely at all. Perhaps Broyles' family was taken hostage or something? (Tv cliche, think the writers would go with it?)

[–]IFightForTheLosers 21 points22 points ago

That was my impression as well. Maybe Broyles turning out to be a shapeshifter would be too obvious. I got the feeling the cooperation was not all that voluntary.

[–]KillEmAll83 9 points10 points ago

Yeah, I found it weird when he was getting away in the car that Broyles didn't give him a smirk or something. If they were conspiring, I don't think he'd stare him down like that.

[–]essecks 12 points13 points ago

I can't ever tell with Broyles. I thought it was like a look of acknowledgement, not a stare-down.

Although there was that storyline about Broyles' family in the past..

[–]StevenD88 16 points17 points ago

I'm guessing he is a shapeshifter but is becoming more aware of the evils of his creator. I hope he turns on Jones in the end, causing a weird son turning on his father relationship.

[–]rntmzb 10 points11 points ago

You know what, I like this possibility. Especially with Jones's parent-children dialogue.

[–]JustAnotherImmigrant 9 points10 points ago

This is a good theory as well. I think in S03 we had a shape shifter who was given a mission and he refused to do it because of his human family. The shifter actually grew feelings for his family and didn't want to die.

We already know that, with enough exposure, they can join the human side.

[–]30percentAlpaca 2 points3 points ago

Oh, that's right, thanks for the reminder. Scrap my theory, the family hostage thing is way lame and overdone. I like this possibility much better!

[–]Humanfish451 8 points9 points ago

I think that alt-Broyles is actually a shapeshifter, but that Broyles' natural honor and integrity contrast with his mission.

[–]TheGoodDrStrawngarm 6 points7 points ago

That's an interesting thought. I don't know if they'd take it that route. We'll probably see very soon, though.

[–]emememaker73 1 point2 points ago

Regardless of whether Alt-Broyles is a shapeshifter, he clearly is working on Jones' behalf. There was a shot of him working on his console shortly after Jones left and before the money-distribution scene. I have doubts that he's being coerced into do this. But, given that he has had somewhat regular contact with Nina Sharp, she might be the one who's pulling his strings.

[–]Duckylicious 1 point2 points ago

Interesting theory. I know you've abandoned the hostage idea in another comment, but I didn't even think to interpret this look that way. Hmmm. I'm liking the "shapeshifter, but under protest" idea, too.

[–]doctoraw 0 points1 point ago

When Broyles interrogates Jones and Jones says:

I imagine you'd like to avoid unnecessary deaths

You maybe were thinking about Broyles' family but I think he is talking about the deaths of the other shapeshifters O-O

[–]Deakul 37 points38 points ago

Best episode of the series?

I think it just might be, for me atleast.

God damned great performances by John Noble and Jared Harris.

[–]rntmzb 23 points24 points ago

No kidding! Walter's expression when he saw Elizabeth, wow...

[–]DarenDark 20 points21 points ago

White Tulip remains the one episode that left the largest impression on me. Walter was simply amazing in that.

[–]piderman 14 points15 points ago

And a nice throwback to that episode today :)

[–]DarenDark 8 points9 points ago

Yes, yes it was! I love finding out all of the things that were different in every timeline! :D

[–]ShadowedIce 7 points8 points ago

I was quite upset to learn that walter did not get his white tulip in this timeline.

[–]manwithabadheart 0 points1 point ago

How about The Firefly from last year?

[–]WiiAreMarshall 5 points6 points ago

I think mine is Neither here nor there. (Time travel gets me)

[–]IFightForTheLosers 1 point2 points ago

Time travel in 4x01? Are you sure you're not talking about The Day We Died? I don't remember any time travel in 4x01... There was that time bubble in And Those We've Left Behind though...

[–]prod44 3 points4 points ago

Confusion in the word series and seasons. For Americans, series is the general term of the whole show ( I think?). Maybe that's rntmzb's fave episode of all time.

[–]TabascoQuesadilla 5 points6 points ago

Yep. The US term "series" is equivalent to the UK term "programme," while the UK term "series" is equivalent to the US term "season."

[–]tbaskerv138 1 point2 points ago

I wish John Noble would get himself a god damn emmy. Both his parts in this episode were winning. Two emmys. For the same episode!!

[–]rntmzb 30 points31 points ago

Love the callback to the Fringe episode "White Tulip" with Walter's searching for a sign from God. This universe's Walter never had the chance to cross paths with Dr. Alistair Peck (played by Peter Weller).

[–]sjsamphex 11 points12 points ago

I really appreciate the writers in referencing to so many points in the series that result in different outcomes due to Peter's timeline drop.

[–]Humanfish451 6 points7 points ago

I feel like that episode and this episode have seen the only two overt references to religion and spirituality.

[–]TabascoQuesadilla 5 points6 points ago

You must be forgetting "Unearthed."

It's okay, I try to forget it too...

[–]Bauer22 3 points4 points ago

I miss Agent Jessup....

[–]Bobiz42 2 points3 points ago

Also, one of the last episodes of season 3. Walter actually goes to a church and has a monologue about forgiveness if I remember correctly.

[–]Duckylicious 1 point2 points ago

Ugh, don't remind me. My BF and I both got angry when Elizabeth and him kept mentioning God. Especially since "If I can, God can" is a rather... well... pretentious thing to say.

[–]Humanfish451 4 points5 points ago

I think the idea behind that line was to say "You took away my only child. I forgive you, even though I have every reason to despise you. If I can do that, it stands to reason that a higher power can forgive you too."

[–]Zimb0 27 points28 points ago

Woah. Gotta' love David Robert Jones. Actor has some range not seen in many regular TV actors.

[–]RNAhelicase 13 points14 points ago

He's such a good villan, I'm glad we finally have a worthy adversary this season.

[–]HenOida 10 points11 points ago

He has a good pedigree, being a son of the legendary Richard Harris.

[–]sirbruce 5 points6 points ago

Holy cow; I wondered why he seemed so familiar! Richard Harris, Richard Burton, and Peter O'Toole are legendary.

[–]menevets 2 points3 points ago*

I had no idea he is the son of the Duck of Death. Thanks for the heads up. And he's the Englishman in Mad Men.

[–]Satelllliiiiiteee 5 points6 points ago

I loved him in the new Sherlock Holmes.

[–]duckatthebar 1 point2 points ago

Who is he in the new Sherlock? Be aware, I've only seen season 1 (damn you BBC!)

[–]TheNavidsonLP 7 points8 points ago

He's Moriarty in Sherlock Holmes 2. And, in a less sinister role, he plays an executive in Mad Men.

[–]ndyjones 2 points3 points ago

Not just an exec, but kind of a pimp, in a stiff, British sort of way. Though that scene with the girlfriend and the father was awkward as hell.

He's definitely not Don Draper or Roger Sterling pimp, so it gets a little lost in the mix.

[–]Satelllliiiiiteee 5 points6 points ago

Oh sorry I was talking about the movie.

[–]duckatthebar 4 points5 points ago

Damn Sherlock teases! I guess that makes another Sherlock I need to get caught up on.

[–]Dealjobber 1 point2 points ago

I still think he played for Cream. I can't unsee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BGlFsf9DM8

[–]Decatf 27 points28 points ago

Glyph code tonight: DEATH

[–]aroomacanvas 7 points8 points ago

That is not good.

[–]Duckylicious 1 point2 points ago

Sorry if I'm being dense, but what's a glyph code?

[–]aroomacanvas 4 points5 points ago

Those symbols that flash right before the commercials, the frogs and hands and such. They each stand for a different letter, and if you translate them they often give clues towards future events. For instance, I believe that the codes for a few episodes prior to last week foreshadowed DRJ's return.

[–]duckatthebar 28 points29 points ago

Dammit Nina!

[–]wildcard58 17 points18 points ago

I literally yelled at the TV... the possibility that Nina is evil makes sense though if you are a subscriber to the many worlds theory though.

[–]styroteqe 21 points22 points ago

Nina's always been shady. Especially in S01. Also, she was diabolical as all shit inside Olivia's consciousness in "LSD"

[–]30percentAlpaca 8 points9 points ago

They still have yet to address that kiss between Nina and Broyles. On the other hand, though, I'm glad they never brought it up again. It felt every kind of wrong!

[–]Humanfish451 17 points18 points ago

What do you mean possibility? In an earlier episode, she had Olivia knocked out and injected with an unknown substance. If that isn't evil, what is?

[–]Gauntlet 8 points9 points ago

Most likely cortexiphan.

[–]ayilm1 8 points9 points ago*

I'm pretty sure it's the same serum they use to create the shape shifters. This is about to get very interesting.

[–]twistedmind1586 5 points6 points ago

WOW! Very interesting, I had never thought of that.

[–]KoNP 0 points1 point ago

No, I'm reasonably certain it's Cortexiphan. Don't forget that a fully "powered" Olivia possess a means to hop between universes WITHOUT having to rip a hole in them the way the various machines do. I'm guessing it's going to be something about that combined with this mineral that David Jones is hoarding.

[–]bhrgunatha 2 points3 points ago

That's assuming Olivia's powers work the same way in ... wherever and whatever universe we are in now .. as they did in the red/blue universes. Toto -- I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.

[–]Szteto 1 point2 points ago

Thanks for reminding me of that...I'd completely forgotten.

[–]wildcard58 1 point2 points ago

What I meant was, the Nina in the original blue-verse was "good," so it's easy to assume that she would be good in this new timeline as well. Walter did cortexiphan experiments in our timeline, but I don't think there's any way he'd have ended up working with/for DRJ.

[–]Fustrate 10 points11 points ago

She might be a shape shifter

[–]lajy 9 points10 points ago

Jones made the shapeshifters, right? In their conversation, it seemed like she knew more about the plan than he did. She's definitely real.

[–]douchebag_karren 3 points4 points ago

absolutely, Just when we were pretty much completely conviced that our blue Nina was good (after a few seasons of having some serious doubts) they go and turn her not so good (as far as what we've currently seen. I think that is probably one of the best decisions they've made about this season, because after all the speculation in the begining, we (as a viewership) didn't even think it would be Nina until it was.

[–]Deep-Thought 1 point2 points ago

which Nina was it?

[–]Zimb0 24 points25 points ago

Maybe I'm alone on this but while this season is awesome, it's a bit hard to get invested in these universes when it's likely Peter is going to to leave them behind.

[–]30percentAlpaca 44 points45 points ago

I've said this before: I may be proven very, very wrong later. But I suspect that these universes are the same that Peter 'left' and will return to. I've suspected this all along, because September said that they don't remember him anymore. The implication, at least as I see it, is that they are the same people who otherwise ought to remember him, but now no longer do. I imagine that the resolution that "restores" the timelines will reconcile everyone's memories to what they were with the added awareness of the "new" ones. Kind of like when you wake up from a dream, and you're back to reality, but you still remember that dream reality.

And if I'm wrong, that's still awesome, because then the writers will have kept it very interesting for me!

[–]Bobiz42 14 points15 points ago

I agree, anything other than this would probably just piss a lot of people off.

[–]30percentAlpaca 16 points17 points ago

Olivia kinda gave him "that look" (I think) towards the end there. This is just purely in my head, but I think she was appreciating/admiring that Peter decided to stay and help them instead of maintaining his top priority is to go home.

If this Olivia develops feelings for Peter, anything beyond a timeline reconciliation would just end up feeling really unsettled for me.

[–]JustAnotherImmigrant 3 points4 points ago

Indeed. I know what look you're talking about, too, and the fact that Peter knew she was being thankful without making her finish the sentence shows he knows her more than she thinks.

[–]RNAhelicase 11 points12 points ago

If this does end up being the last season I think that would be a most excellent way to end.

[–]Humanfish451 3 points4 points ago

Sadly, this is almost definitely the last season.

[–]JustAnotherImmigrant 5 points6 points ago

I must confess: I downvoted you because I don't like that thought :( Reddiquette be damned.

[–]nitesmokeDecember 8 points9 points ago

As much as I love Fringe, (I started this subreddit) I believe they are right. Every single season so far has been interpreted over and over. They just refuse to play the 20 episodes per season without several moth breaks throughout. I understand things happen, and you may have to skip a week here and there, but Fringe has been completely abused in this sense.
Here's how every Fringe season goes:

  • Lots of rumors and half-truths are floated around the web, excitement is built.

  • Eventually promos begin to shoe sneak peeks.

  • Finally, after what seems like forever, the season begins.

  • After 2 episodes you get "Fringe will return in 3 weeks!" after the credits....

  • After the unnecessary 3 week break, Fringe returns. They air 3 or 4 episodes then it's time for Baseball or Basketball, or some other kind of ball to have their playoffs, then their championship.

  • After a 2 month break for sports, Fringe returns for 2 episodes before the Christmas break. Bear in mind, it's becoming a tradition in Scifi to have a "Christmas special", examples include X-Files, Doctor Who, Warehouse 13, Eureka, etc. No Christmas for Fringe fans.

  • After the holidays, Fringe is back, on an all new night!

  • Cue Superbowl

  • Season finale airs, huge cliffhanger. "Fringe will return in 9 months! (we hope)" ಠ_ಠ

I think the most episodes we've ever gotten uninterpreted is 4 in a row. Like I said, a break here and there is perfectly reasonable, but season after season after season of Fringe, there are too many several month long interruptions.
It becomes tedious to be a fan of the show. You have to go back and watch the first 3 episodes of the season, because the 4th episode is airing eight weeks later and you've forgotten wtf is going on.
I love Fringe, it's my favorite current show, but the inconsistent airings is making it harder and harder for me to stay interested. I can't be the only one.

[–]Humanfish451 3 points4 points ago

I understand. I won't hold it against you.

[–]TabascoQuesadilla 7 points8 points ago

Then how are Alt-Broyles and David Robert Jones alive?

[–]30percentAlpaca 4 points5 points ago

The opposite of the Back to the Future disappearing thing. Instead of ceasing to exist, their existence was made/continued.

[–]TabascoQuesadilla 4 points5 points ago

Which means it's a new timeline. That's the whole point of the Back to the Future movies - changing something creates a new timeline. And, as Walter explained alternate universes in season 1, "different timeline" and "different universe" pretty much mean the same thing.

[–]IFightForTheLosers 6 points7 points ago

There are issues with the memory tinkering theory, namely that people who should be dead are still alive and baby nugget doesn't exist anymore. However, I think there might be something significant in the fact that Fauxlivia suddenly and inexplicably broke up with Frank. Could it be that Peter's presence is altering the very fabric of causality, causing this timeline to converge with Peter's reality? I don't know how this could be achieved, short of baby nugget suddenly popping into existence, but I got the feeling that the timeline was suddenly starting to 'conform' with Peter's version. I'm not expecting Broyles and DRJ to suddenly drop dead, but they may be fated to die because suddenly the causality requires them to.

[–]Zimb0 2 points3 points ago

I wonder this too but where does the distinction between alternative timeline and alternative universe come to the surface? I think that by Peter not having existed into adulthood, it is necessarily different that it is in effect, a separate universe.

[–]30percentAlpaca 4 points5 points ago

I guess in my head the distinction is that there isn't another universe(s) "out there" for him to return to. That there are two, not four, and any more doorways created would only lead back to each other.

In this idea, Peter is the constant, and everything around him changed, rather than Peter went to a different place.

[–]redefinedreality 1 point2 points ago

That's what I've been thinking too,

but the only thing that disproves this is the existence of alt-broyle. He was obviously killed in a previous episode, and not remembering can't really bring him back

[–]nocley 1 point2 points ago

I agree with this theory too. I have it something similar to Butterfly Effect, where everything different happened because Peter died back in that timeline

[–]Duckylicious 1 point2 points ago

Been discussing that here... basically, I agree.

30percentAlpaca said exactly what I thought would happen at the beginning of the season, except that I thought the current timeline would stick around and people would remember the previous one as if it was a dream (which would restore the character development from seasons 1 to 3, but allow alt-Broyles to stay alive and Fauxlivia's child to stay gone).

Meanwhile, I favor the "new separate universe" theory.

[–]MntnDw 22 points23 points ago

High five to the safety glass!

[–]30percentAlpaca 17 points18 points ago*

I couldn't help but notice the doors were not airtight :T

[–]WiiAreMarshall 6 points7 points ago

Maybe its a mercury based gas?

[–]30percentAlpaca 6 points7 points ago

I have no science background; could you please explain to me why a mercury based gas would not be a worry in this scenario? (Not necessary to ELI5, though :)

[–]sirbruce 5 points6 points ago

Heavier than air. Though it could seep under the doors, generally speaking a heavy gas doesn't spread as easily.

[–]WiiAreMarshall 4 points5 points ago

That, and if she (the nurse) is a shapeshifter, it will have no effect on her.

[–]Zimb0 6 points7 points ago

Assume the shape shifters are more durable and not susceptible to the gas used.

[–]wildcard58 4 points5 points ago

It seemed like she was going to leave after blocking the door so I'm not sure it would have mattered. Also they can probably be programmed to do something that would end up killing them anyway.

[–]AhhBisto 20 points21 points ago

I'm calling it now, David Robert Jones and Nina Sharp are working in tangent in relation to William Bell. Why? It's what they have in common. DRJ was obsessed with him in the previous timeline and Nina Sharp has always had something with Bell too.

What they're doing exactly is hard to say, but i find it curious that we're yet to explore what's happened to Bell in this alternate timeline. Think about it, we've seen a re-written story for most of the main characters (Astrid has one coming too) but there has literally been no mention of Bell whatsoever.

Not sure if there's something in this either, but i quite like that there is only one Peter. He's unique. In the 4 versions of the Fringe World that we know of, there are 4 of Olivia, Walter, Astrid, Broyles and Lincoln, but there is no other Peter.

P.S This is my first post in this subreddit, i just watched the new episode and thought "THERE MUST BE A REDDIT FOR THIS", and it's awesome! I love this site, haha.

[–]essecks 7 points8 points ago

Bell is a really hard character to work with in Fringe, because you can never show him- as Leonard Nemoy doesn't act any more. It's why they had to use a cartoon version of Bell in that weird episode (3x19).

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points ago

Maybe in this timeline he was successfully stored onto a computer or storage device like a ROM in Neuromancer.

[–]essecks 7 points8 points ago

Something non-physical is most likely. Hell, they got Olivia to play Bell in 3x16 ("Os") with the Soul Bell thing.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points ago

Towards the end of LSD episode Walter contemplated "backing" Bell up onto a computer he set up. Bell in this new timeline didn't sacrifice himself to save Walter and Peter so he's probably still alive.

[–]tails421 2 points3 points ago

Actually, in the one episode with the guy who developed the cell regeneration tech said "I wish William Bell was alive to see this" implying that the William bell in this new timeline is also dead.

[–]IFightForTheLosers 4 points5 points ago

Well, didn't that scientist in 4x05 mention that Bell was dead? That's all we've had so far, but I guess it would be very likely for him to be alive, since Olivia & co didn't take that trip over to the other side.

Nice remark about Peter, it really does underline how precious he is to the story. I believe the writers have called him the linchpin of the series. Everything always comes back to him in some way.

Welcome to the club! I've been using r/fringe as my base subreddit ever since I found it!

[–]ValekCOS 2 points3 points ago

Wouldn't it be interesting if this timeline's William Bell were evil?

[–]30percentAlpaca 2 points3 points ago

Welcome to the fun, bud! This is my favourite subreddit when the show's on. During summer/winter break it's pretty much crickets, but while it's running it's full of awesome.

[–]rntmzb 1 point2 points ago

Welcome to the subreddit! :) It's fun to share interest in a show, especially one like this where there's a lot of theorizing that helps form a following.

[–]TheGoodDrStrawngarm 1 point2 points ago

I thought about that too, with peter being the only peter. THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!

[–]IFightForTheLosers 16 points17 points ago

Oh man, what a great ep! We finally have a much clearer idea of this season's plot, and more importantly, how Peter fits in those new universes. It really delighted me to see him step up to the plate and actively try to help them, and I'm glad that Olivia and Walter are finally coming around to him. I can't believe it took them so long to realize what an incredible asset they had in him!

DRJ was also the great villain this series sorely needed, someone utterly evil and impossible to sympathize with. Interesting to see that Olivia didn't know him at all, I wonder why she never traveled to that prison to meet him. I don't see how Peter's absence would have impacted that...More importantly, it shows that she never did the light test, so she's probably unaware of her abilities.

This brings us to DRJ and Nina working hand in hand, who called it? Whoever you are, you rock! So, Nina is either enhancing or quietly suppressing Olivia's cortexiphan, for what nefarious end? It's odd to see them working together, knowing that he shot and almost killed her in season 1, in order to steal the power cell in her arm. I take it this did not happen in this timeline then?

Fauxlivia broke up with Frank? Why the hell? Not that I mind or anything, but that's just really out of the blue, and off-camera too. If there were gonna do something like that, I'd have liked to see the buildup to that. And then she went to cry about it on Red Lincoln's (I'm just gonna stick with the original colors cause I don't feel like talking about Burnt Sienna Lincoln) shoulder. Ouch. And then she furiously denied anything between them to Blue Lincoln, as if the very idea was preposterous. Double ouch. That probably counts as two drinks.

Speaking of Lincolns, the red one didn't seem to mind working with his alternate at first, but in that big meeting, he seemed a lot less thrilled about it. Was it the glasses? ¬.¬

Red Lincoln putting the tracker in DRJ's tea was pretty damn cool, it was great to be reminded that this Lincoln is one smart cookie. Also nice to see Peter show off his genius-level IQ every so often. And the way Altstrid was utterly gobsmacked around him was just priceless, what a great scene for her XD I swear it's the first time she's been portrayed as a human rather than as a human calculator.

I really enjoyed that look between Peter and Olivia at the end, will Peter still manage to find happiness in this world after all? Is Olivia hardwired to like him in every reality (before she inevitably dies¬.¬)? So I guess Lincoln won't get lucky in this universe either then. She didn't even comment on his new glasses!

Also, show of hands: who else thought Walter had his hand up Gene's butt when that scene came up?

[–]ValekCOS 10 points11 points ago

"If I'm willing to do that to someone I love, dearly... imagine what I'll do to people I don't care about."

Great line from DRJ. Really brings out just how sinister and fucked up he truly is.

[–]JustAnotherImmigrant 6 points7 points ago

That scene was great. I love how he follows it up with "You? Nothing. You don't have the authority."

[–]JustAnotherImmigrant 6 points7 points ago

LMAO I totally forgot about his new glasses. Olivia didn't give a shit :P

Poor Lincoln.

[–]Bobiz42 15 points16 points ago

So that stone stuff that Jones is gathering is that power cell used in Nina's arm back in season 1, correct?

[–]HenOida 11 points12 points ago

I'd imagine you're right about that.

I liked the symbolism of the (made-up) substance's name, too: "amphilycite" (or however it would be spelled), from the Greek for "both" (amphi-; cf. universes, timelines, alt characters, ...).

[–]30percentAlpaca 14 points15 points ago

Nina! Holy frack!
I had been wondering who/what end DRJ was working towards in this time. In the blue one he was aspiring to Bell, but this time seemingly doesn't have him anymore. Somehow I didn't connect his previous obsession with Olivia with Nina's "interest" in this time. I even thought about that obsession when he requested the HD. (Mentioning the light, made me think of that task where he had Olivia turn off the lights.)

Alt Lincoln and Olivia will get together. Totally calling it, esp with her mention of breaking up with Frank. (Poor Frank.)

And oh, I have been totally loving how much Seth Gabel there's been in these episodes. I could look at him all day long.

[–]itheabstract 28 points29 points ago

That hand thing was awful.

[–]emcoffey3 34 points35 points ago

That hand thing was awesome.

FTFY

[–]Duckylicious 5 points6 points ago

Agreed, but for Fringe, it was pretty tame. We could've been seeing all their faces come off.

Edit: And the only reason we didn't is probably because there were kids.

[–]TheGoodDrStrawngarm 12 points13 points ago

Olivia in a jean jacket? Go on...

[–]GruxKing 11 points12 points ago

John Noble as depressed Walter- the complete 180 from happy to sad...he made when Peter's mom appeared... Damn... amazing acting.

[–]NeilPoonHandler 11 points12 points ago

Whew, that was close, Olivia!

[–]JustAnotherImmigrant 9 points10 points ago

You just made me think of something...

Remember last episode when September told her she would die? Did he take into account Peter as a variable?

What I mean is that Olivia thanked Peter this episode for saving her life because I assume she started braking her car when Peter told her she could die, resulting in half of her car's engine being cut in half. What if Peter keeps saving her over and over, either directly or indirectly?

[–]NeilPoonHandler 5 points6 points ago

Interesting theory - it reminds me of Desmond saving Charlie continuously in season 3 of Lost. I guess it's not surprising at all to see another J.J. Abrams-created show utilizing similar subplots and themes.

[–]sciukie 2 points3 points ago

When did the Observer get the name September? Was that done in the show or by fans?

[–]RNAhelicase 9 points10 points ago

I hope they address Nina drugging Oliva in the last episode before the break.

[–]bubbameister33 11 points12 points ago

There's another break? They just came back, this is how you kill the show.

[–]Bobiz42 10 points11 points ago

There's another break!?

[–]RNAhelicase 7 points8 points ago

No, I ment two episodes ago. Another break would kill this show for sure. That just seemed like a huge deal and we haven't even seen it mentioned on the "previously on Fringe" yet.

[–]alexpuru18 16 points17 points ago

god damn fauxlivia is sexy

[–]Humanfish451 11 points12 points ago

I honestly prefer Olivia.

[–]alexpuru18 5 points6 points ago

i think it's the hair that does it for me

[–]InvaderDJ 7 points8 points ago

It isn't just the hair, it's also the little nose scrunch that she does. That, the hair, and the general playfulness make her more attractive.

[–]manwithabadheart 2 points3 points ago

She even walks different.

[–]punkdigerati 0 points1 point ago

fauxlivia's hair color just looks so fake, imho

[–]BigRelic 9 points10 points ago

Another great cliffhanger at the end, as usual.

Maybe Nina isn't this evil in the original timeline? I'm scared that something bad will happen to Olivia. I'm also really scared that alt-shapeshifter-Broyles is gonna do something really bad.

[–]sjsamphex 5 points6 points ago

Glyph code of this episode was DEATH, and the observer from the previous episode predicted Olivia's death =\

[–]TabascoQuesadilla 8 points9 points ago

Did anyone else keep confusing the two Lincolns? I kept shouting at the TV for Blue Lincoln to put his glasses back on!

Also, best episode since One Night in October, which is my favorite of the entire series (or programme if you're British).

[–]AJockeysBallsack 9 points10 points ago

Just look at his ears. Red Lincoln never takes off his commlink doodad.

This is definitely one of my favorite episodes. John Noble is so awesome.

[–]IFightForTheLosers 0 points1 point ago

I had a really hard time in some scenes. When in doubt, look at the pants, Red Lincoln always wears the same outfit.

[–]TabascoQuesadilla 2 points3 points ago

Yeah, the leg holster helped a bit.

[–]jaquanor 6 points7 points ago

Take me to your leader.

[–]piderman 6 points7 points ago

Olivia gets her life saved by Peter. "If you hadn't been here...". Have even the Observers miscalculated him?

[–]30percentAlpaca 6 points7 points ago

Well, September said that in every scenario she has to die. Didn't say when :)

But they've been wrong before, they're not the be all and end all of all things.

[–]DarenDark 5 points6 points ago

Jones says how "hard it is to be a father". Really reminded me of when the observer says it to Peter in season 3. No idea what relation could possibly be there. Anyone else notice that?

[–]JustAnotherImmigrant 5 points6 points ago

Anyone see Peter's face when DRJ tells him "It seems to me that you've run out of time."

Could he be hinting that he knows more about Peter than we realize? Or is it just the writers fucking with us?

This is why I love this god damn show.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points ago

Well, this shows that you can't trust gingers.

[–]MntnDw 9 points10 points ago

Is Broyles a clone!?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points ago

Also, Broyles out in the field with a gun. It's cool to see.

[–]MaximKat 4 points5 points ago

Bad Broyles, bad!

[–]menevets 5 points6 points ago

I can't help but think of LOST with respect to common plot and character aspects. This season feels like season 6 after they blew up the bomb and people were trying to figure out where they were.

Peter seems like Desmond, the constant.

I am not equating Fringe with LOST, I'm enjoying this season more than LOST S6 and I think the showrunners probably learned a thing or two from LOST's last season.

IIRC LOST's last season split its time between two timelines - I like Fringe better for sticking with this amber timeline.

[–]manwithabadheart 0 points1 point ago

Of course we eventually learned in LOST that there is in fact, only one timeline. Whatever happened, happened. Everybody dies some time, kiddo. :)

[–]30percentAlpaca 5 points6 points ago

Think my favourite part of the whole episode was Peter interrogating Jones. We've come to know Peter as the one who overcame his own emotional barriers and brought Walter and Olivia out from their shells, and brought all of them together as a little family. It makes me forget that Peter was a cunning and ruthless conman in a past life before Fringe. Him facing David Robert Jones? You see that spark of cunning return. Pretty much the whole series has been full of Olivia and Walter (and their alter egos) being awesome. It's about time Peter got to shine.

[–]HenOida 4 points5 points ago

Dealing with a loss:

Evening, cool night, mourning, grief;

And morning, warming

To forgive and move ahead,

Healing, fighting the good fight.

[–]IFightForTheLosers 3 points4 points ago

One more thing I noticed when I rewatched the ep: after trying to find where Blue Lincoln had been stashed in their facility, Alt-Broyles took out a syringe of yellow liquid and went off to find him, only to be intercepted by Walternate. What on earth was that liquid? Was it a compound that turns people into shapeshifters? I assumed the new shapeshifters were artificially created from nothing, like the previous ones were, but DRJ's speech implied that they take normal humans and turn them into shapeshifters. In that case, Lincoln just had a really narrow escape. x.x

[–]LastImmortalMan 2 points3 points ago

O.M.G just discovered this. Be there next week.

[–]Musti_ 2 points3 points ago

Man, I was just thinking about how we need more Nina Sharp this season. Which universe was she in?

[–]NinjaBunny315 2 points3 points ago

The second half of this season is definitely picking up. This was probably wanna the best episodes of the season so far (up there with the episode where Peter returned). Glad to see alot of emotion in this episode between the characters, it feels like the show is coming back to life again.

[–]saywhat181 1 point2 points ago

Anyone else hearing the doubled audio? I heard the door open twice, and doubled foot steps.

[–]30percentAlpaca 2 points3 points ago

It's fine on the CityTV in Canada on Rogers.

This seems to be a fairly common complaint in the episode discussions, though. Try HD/not HD?