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[–]LelanaSongwind 73 points74 points ago

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I definitely would if I were you. I started out with Christopher Eccleston and while David Tennant is by far my favourite doctor, I still have a special place in my heart for Eccleston and his companion Rose. And plus, you get more Doctor Who, and who is going to complain about that??

[–]DM7000 51 points52 points ago

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Eccelston is responsible for reviving the Doctor. If it wasn't for him we wouldnt have gotten Tennant or Smith. While he isn't my favorite, he is still really damn good and plays an amazing Doctor.

[–]ReaprTennant 9 points10 points ago

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I've rewatched from Series 1 three times now and my favourite Eccelston moment is where he says 'just this once, everyone lives!'

Didn't quite appreciate his comment until I rewatched it - after I had seen more of the series and realized how many times people die for/around/because of Doctor Who.

[–]Spungo2ElectricEtc 2 points3 points ago

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Heh, when I read "favourite Eccleston moment" I thought of mine and it was the same moment, the scene clicked into my head exactly when I read it in your comment.

[–]ReaprTennant 1 point2 points ago

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Seems we are not alone in this :)

[–]SpaceCadetKayla 2 points3 points ago

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Moffat wrote that episode, too. =D Eccleston is definitely worth watching, he definitely grows on you. I know I'm fond of him.

[–]ReaprTennant 1 point2 points ago

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Well my first Doctor was Eccleston - I did not know much about the Doctor Who universe back then and felt betrayed when he regenerated into a new actor. It reminded me of those old soapies where they suddenly have a new actor playing some lead character.

Of course David turned out to be even better and I was unbelievably sad to see him go. "I don't want to go!" nearly broke me. For me it was not just Doctor Who saying it, but David as well, saying he doesn't want to stop playing this role.

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[–]TeslasMoustacheTARDIS 29 points30 points ago

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While that was a bit silly, skipping the first season means you miss The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, and that is UNFORGIVABLE.

[–]asdf7890 23 points24 points ago

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That and the reintroduction of the Dalek. The tension in that episode was very well played particularly by Eccleston.

[–]mweathr 2 points3 points ago

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Are you my mommy?

[–]realfinkploydEccleston 2 points3 points ago

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Yes, but feel free to skip any episode with farting aliens.

[–]NumlocksTARDIS 1 point2 points ago

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You would also miss the season finale and this dialog.

Rose Tyler: I am the Bad Wolf. I create myself. I take the words... .I scatter them, in time and space. A message, to lead myself here.
Emperor Dalek: You cannot hurt me. I am immortal.
Rose Tyler: You are tiny. I can see the whole of time and space, every single atom of your existence, and I divide them.

[–]Jurynelson 2 points3 points ago

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And you call yourself a fan…

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points ago

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"Duurrr hurrrr, there was a scene I didn't like and the old series sucks, so I skipped it, durrrr"

Fucking moron.

[–]mjsolaroRassilon 5 points6 points ago

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Let's be nice now... The Doctor wouldn't approve of us swearing at each other.

[–][deleted] 42 points43 points ago

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Everybody's got a different opinion, but I think these are "must see" episodes with Chris Eccleston.

  • Rose
  • Dalek
  • The Long Game (Satellite Five)
  • Empty Child (two-parter, Capt. Jack introduced)
  • The Doctor Dances
  • Bad Wolf (two parter)
  • Parting of the Ways (series finale)

[–]Mesonit 12 points13 points ago

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I agree, but personally Father's Day is my favourite.

[–]falling_sideways 1 point2 points ago

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Meh, not so hot on fathers day.

[–]fjw 6 points7 points ago

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"Dalek" is awesome. It should be mandatory for people to watch this before any other episodes involving daleks. It is the perfect introduction to them.

[–]unsignederaEccleston 2 points3 points ago

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So that's what? 8 out of 13 episodes? Sounds like a damn good season to me.

[–]Erif_NeergMcGann 0 points1 point ago

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I'd skip The Long Game. Didn't leave much of an impress on me. Might be b/c it seemed to be a commentary on (British?) society.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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It's proabably the weakest on the list, but I included it for Simon Pegg and the Satellite Five/Bad Wolf story arc.

[–]NumlocksTARDIS 0 points1 point ago

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Why is that bad?

[–]Erif_NeergMcGann 0 points1 point ago

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No, but I didn't think it was one you had to watch, until i realized it setups some story elements.

[–]cadari 0 points1 point ago

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Lol. Isn't that all of them?

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points ago

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In case you are thinking of skipping...

  • The Empty Child/Doctor Dances
  • The Girl in the Fireplace
  • Blink
  • Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead

Are all Steven Moffats and worth watching. See Also Jekyll and Coupling

Other Episodes to watch include Human Nature/Family of Blood and Dalek,

[–]jesseadam 12 points13 points ago

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Also worth mentioning, since you mentioned Jekyll and Coupling, Moffat's Sherlock

[–]Jack_Mason[S] 7 points8 points ago

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Sherlock is awesome. I can't wait for the next season.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points ago

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Knew I'd forgotten something

[–]prosayik 3 points4 points ago

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Sherlock is quality. I was skeptical of a modern 're-imagination' of Sherlock Holmes but Moffat pulls it off well.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points ago

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Just in case you guys weren't aware, we have a subreddit for that

[–]UNITBlackArchive 0 points1 point ago

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I really thought the link was going to go to /r/moffat

[–]FireFly3347Eccleston 7 points8 points ago

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Midnight I think goes with them. A Davies episode, but could easily be mistaken for a Moffat episode.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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Agreed

[–]raddaSmith 2 points3 points ago

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I read somewhere that RTD wrote Midnight as if he was writing like Moffat.

If it's true it proves that RTD isn't a hack, just an idiot that doesn't know he can do better.

[–]NumlocksTARDIS 3 points4 points ago

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Oh fuck that shit. RTD wrote some good episodes.

[–]ManigeitoraSilence 4 points5 points ago

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Oh god, Blink....

[–]Alobis 1 point2 points ago

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I know right?

Still my favourite episode to date.

Some of Moffat's more recent episodes are creeping up on it though!

[–]fjw 3 points4 points ago

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Check out also The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit.

It's a bit different (not Moffat!) but very interesting and different standing on its own.

[–]Secret7000Smith 7 points8 points ago

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Three episodes that you can safely skip because they're awful

  • The Idiot's Lantern
  • Love & Monsters
  • Fear Her

.... wow, series 2 had a lot of awful episodes!

[–]superherotaco 12 points13 points ago

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Love & Monsters

Blasphemer!

[–]RoflPostEccleston 7 points8 points ago

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I usually don't hate on people for having different tastes than mine, but I really liked Love & Monsters and don't understand the hate it gets and want to squish people who don't like it. I though Elton was great

[–]literroy 4 points5 points ago

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Agreed! We should start a Love & Monsters fan club or something.

[–]EvilDrReefSmith 3 points4 points ago

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Weird story time: Love & Monsters was the very first episode of Doctor Who I ever saw. I'd seen trailers for the show on SciFi but didn't think much of it, then one day I was channel surfing and came across a show that had a really odd camera resolution and thought, "This must be a British show." Anyway, long story short it was approximately 3/4 of the way through the episode and the Absorbaloff was sitting in the chair being menacing. I thought this was bizarre enough to keep watching, and I ended up sitting through that, then Army of Ghosts and Doomsday (no Fear Her during this marathon for some reason). So I'll always have a special place in my heart for Love & Monsters.

[–]RoflPostEccleston 5 points6 points ago

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(no Fear Her during this marathon for some reason).

Oh, there is a reason.

[–]EvilDrReefSmith 2 points3 points ago

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Touché, mon ami.

[–]Secret7000Smith 2 points3 points ago*

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I just find it the most banal filler episode full of bad ideas that stars one of my least favourite comedians.

EDIT: It would seem this episode is more popular in the US than in the UK. I can see reasons for this.

[–]GreenLaserPen 0 points1 point ago

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I'm from the US, and I don't know anyone who likes "Love & Monsters."

[–]morq 1 point2 points ago

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I thought it was a great episode as well. I liked how it showed how people are affected by the doctor and what they do after he leaves.

[–]strangedelightfulK-9 0 points1 point ago

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i can't like the pavingstone blowjob.

[–]sajman 5 points6 points ago

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I mean you have to watch just for ELO.

[–]emanking 5 points6 points ago*

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That is what made the episode very very enjoyable. Here's this British show and I'm an American and for one it's rare for me to be even enjoying a British TV show. And then this show has ELO in it which I absolutely love and is also a somewhat rare British thing (for a 20-something American) so the two together just made it seem like that episode was written partially for my rare American self.

[–]WastedTruth 0 points1 point ago

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...Calling America... First ELO song I ever heard...

[–]tandembanditCyberperson 1 point2 points ago

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I accidentally skipped Love & Monsters because Netflix wouldn't load it. I guess Netflix was protecting me.

[–]VorpalAurochTARDIS 1 point2 points ago

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The Idiot's Lantern is not great, but solid. No argument on the other two, they're both horrible.

[–]Secret7000Smith 1 point2 points ago

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TL;DR of all replies to this: I guess watch them and make up your own damn mind. If we can't agree that they're awful we can at least agree they're controversial.

[–]EatBooks 1 point2 points ago

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Fear Her was great. Silly elements, particularly the 2012 Olympics, but forgivable. Excellent concept.

[–]wagedomain 0 points1 point ago

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Strongly disagree with Love and Monsters.

It's different than most episodes, yes. But it is an amazing story of someone on the outside looking in. It's almost a precursor to "Blink" in a sense, since the Doctor was barely in either episode.

[–]roloenusaSmith 1 point2 points ago

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They're call Doctor Light episodes. Usually they're the episodes shot running up to the finale since they free up the doctor and companion to shoot in parallel the big ending.

I believe that's a tradition coming from the original series, but I honestly don't know.

Blink was EXCEPTIONAL! one of the best and most interesting episodes of S3. The introduction of the Angels as well as "Wibbily Wobbilly Timye Whimmie... stuff" will forever live in Whovian consciousness.

Doctor Light Episodes include:

  • Turn Left

  • Love and Monsters

  • Blink

The opposite is Companion Light which is "Midnight" which freed up Katherine Tate to film "Turn Left"

[–]wagedomain 0 points1 point ago

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Important distinction to make: It's not "Doctor Who, Lite!" meaning light-hearted or silly. It's "light on the actual Doctor". :)

[–]Ragnarok918 0 points1 point ago

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I liked the story, but the big bad was so terrible. Just in every possible way. He is the epitome of bad Doctor Who villain for me.

[–]wagedomain 0 points1 point ago

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Well, he was a one-off. It was also one of the first blowjob jokes I remember from Doctor Who.

[–]NumlocksTARDIS 0 points1 point ago

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DO NOT SKIP LOVE & MONSTERS

[–]thrid 0 points1 point ago

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God, Love & Monsters is the only episode of Doctor Who that left me floored at how bad it was. I'd almost recommend it just for the train wreck factor.

[–]Spungo2ElectricEtc 0 points1 point ago

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And Press Gang!

[–]LollyAdverb 23 points24 points ago

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I re-watched a few of the Eccleston episodes on netflix last week for the first time in a while. I'd forgotten how quickly he goes from "Angry Badass Doctor" to "Grinning Like A Happy Idiot Doctor." They are very watchable, though.

[–]adez23Silence 26 points27 points ago*

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Oh man, 9's shit-eating grin gets me in stitches me EVERY TIME.

[–]cadari 1 point2 points ago

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That is the exact thing (along with the black leather jacket) that I think of every time I hear "Christopher Eccleston."

[–]Spungo2ElectricEtc 66 points67 points ago

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Yes. It's even worth going back to Series 1 with William Hartnell.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points ago

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Easy.. Whilst I don't necessarily disagree he's looking at over 45 years of material

[–]michael_ellis_day 10 points11 points ago

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The original series ran from 1963 to 1987. That's a hypothetical 24 years at most, but even then there were breaks and intervals and hiatuses so it's actually quite a bit less. And just because someone says the origins of the series are worth seeing that doesn't mean "You must force yourself to sit through every episode in chronological order whether you like it or not!!!" Personally, I'd say at a bare minimum "An Unearthly Child" is worth watching by everyone.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points ago

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Oh I assumed they'd nerd up and watch everything and read all the books and listen to all the audio dramas.. Why wouldn't someone do this?

[–]Golden_KumquatMcCoy 2 points3 points ago

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Actually, it ran from 1963 though 1989, and according to the Wiki, there were almost 700 episodes produced.

[–]michael_ellis_day 0 points1 point ago

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Agh! How could I mess up the year like that? (hangs head in shame)

Also, I should have added "A lot of episodes are missing" so no one has to contemplate sitting through all 700.

[–]kirrasoul 1 point2 points ago

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Don't forget all the missing episodes, there are quite a few of them.

[–]arquebus_xK-9 1 point2 points ago

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I humbly suggest this, which are 50% abridgments of the first few Hartnell stories.

I'm still doing these in my spare time - currently abridging the Dalek Invasion of Earth.

[–]insllvn 0 points1 point ago

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You, sir, are a hero, the genuine article.

[–]drcarlosTom Baker 0 points1 point ago

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It would take about a fortnight of nonstop Whoing.

[–]realfinkploydEccleston 0 points1 point ago

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I totally read that as whoring

[–]mwmisnerTennant 0 points1 point ago

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If there were a torrent floating around reddit, it would have a file size of 200gb, the first and second series and have roughly 90hrs of video.

[–]Spungo2ElectricEtc 0 points1 point ago

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I think someone figured out how long it would take to experience all of it, including audios (but not books), non-stop in a row. It was something crazy amount of time. He should definitely do that.

But seriously, you're right (of course), he should probably start with the Moffat episodes of the other seasons (especially Blink), then watch Time Flight.

[–]michael_ellis_day 0 points1 point ago

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Do you mean Time Crash? Because Time Flight is another episode, and probably not one a newcomer should rush to.

[–]Spungo2ElectricEtc 1 point2 points ago

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I meant Time Flight, and I was joking, definitely not one for newcomers... Probably not great for oldcomers either.

Watching Time Flight is how you prove you're a true fan. You've reached super-fan state if it actually makes sense to you; that's only ever happened to Gary Russell.

I'd also avoid Time Crash, not because I think it's bad, but because a lot of the emotion in it is about growing up with Doctor Who, it might exlude a new fan. I might be wrong about that, but I do think RTD was more super-fan than Moffat.

I'm trying to think which of the earlier Doctor stories would be best for a fan of Moffat's writing; the 7th Doctor audio Flip-Flop springs to mind... Maybe Stones of Blood?

And, obviously, he should watch the whole of Press Gang.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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I saw once a video that someone had mashed up the end of Time Crash with an early scene of Time Flight, implying that was where the Fifth Doctor had come from in his time line.

[–]adez23Silence 8 points9 points ago

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Yes, it's totally worth it! 9's my favorite Doctor. Also, welcome to the fold, new Whovian!

[–]DeedTheInkyTennant 5 points6 points ago

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I would. They sometimes make little sly references and jokes to the older seasons that aren't essential, but they are fun to catch. Plus if you watch the David Tennant ones you get some important River Song backstory. :)

[–]Jack_Mason[S] 8 points9 points ago

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OK I'm on episode 4, so far there's been lots of farting, pig creatures, and I just saw this Slitheen race............I hope you guys are right.

[–]yethegodless 18 points19 points ago

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The Slitheen are the worst episodes, which kinda blows because they compose a fourth of the season. However, once you get to The Empty Child, you'll change your tune.

The first four seasons of the revival are very, very good -- overall. However, each season has two or three wildly unpopular episodes - normally not written by Steven Moffat or Russell T. Davies. In addition, RTD's writing starts out pretty great and then gets more and more bloated, culminating in season four, where his overarching plots and individual episodes are pretty damned great but his characters are falling over because they've got so much baggage.

That being said, they're still totally worth watching. I'm in the minority among Who fans with 11 being my favorite Doctor with 9 and 10 following, so let me tell you now that you have, from my point of view, already watched the best of the series, but that doesn't mean that you are excused from watching the rest.

[–]asdf7890 12 points13 points ago

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Those who favour 11 are not as small a set as you imagine, particularly amongst those of us who have been fans from long before the dawn of the revival - the way 11 is written and how Smith plays it have more of a feel of a classic Doctor than either of the other two. He knows how much more he knows and had experienced than anyone else, and isn't just trying to be everyone's bestest friend.

For the record mine are 11, 4 and 3 in no particular order. I may be reading more into it then is actually there, but there seemed to be quite a few similarities to 3's arrival in 11's first episode.

[–]yethegodless 2 points3 points ago

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Oh, I know that 11 is popular; I was chiefly speaking about my liking Eccleston more than Tennant. To be specific, I like Davies's writing during the Eccleston Era more than the Tennant era.

[–]asdf7890 3 points4 points ago

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I'm with you on that, though there isn't much in it between 9 and 10.

I also would have loved Derek Jacobi to have got an entire episode as the Master proper rather than just a few minutes.

[–]yethegodless 0 points1 point ago

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Oh, man! I'm rewatching season three with some friends that have never seen Doctor Who, and I am so excited for the YANA arc to start.

[–]wagedomain 2 points3 points ago

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It was nice to have a proper nemesis back in Doctor Who during that arc, for sure.

[–]wagedomain 2 points3 points ago

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I'm with you right there. I've said before, my favorite Doctor seems to always be the current Doctor, whoever it is. when Eccleston regenerated, I was sure I would hate Tennant. I didn't like him immediately. A few episodes in, I realized Tennant WAS the Doctor. And 11 had me almost immediately, due to the strength of The Eleventh Hour's writing.

[–]gh0stwheel 6 points7 points ago

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The Slitheen episodes were a low point, but it is definitely worth watching the rest of the season. Christopher Eccleston's performance is what hooked me on the new series, and it was actually difficult for me to accept Tennant at first due to Eccleston's fantastic portrayal of the Doctor.

[–]KazamaSmokers 4 points5 points ago

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Me too. BTW - watch the Slitheen episodes, because you want some context for the Doctor's awesome riff on showing mercy in "Boom Town".

[–]NumlocksTARDIS 1 point2 points ago

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You know whenever a new show is starting (or re-starting) it takes awhile to get to some really solid episodes. BUT DON'T YOU FUCKING TELL ME THAT YOU DIDNT LIKE "THE END OF THE WORLD". THAT IS A GREAT EPISODE!

[–]inept77Tennant 0 points1 point ago

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A nice guide of episodes to skip in the first few seasons: http://www.heyash.com/ive-never-watched-an-episode-of-doctor-who-where-do-i-start/

[–]wagedomain 0 points1 point ago

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Season 1 starts really childish. I actually stopped watching right around where you are. Fart monsters, are you fucking kidding?

The season introduces things now that will be revisited in new ways in later seasons (Satellite 5 is an example, and it's one that you can kinda sorta miss if you're not paying attention).

The end of the first season, and then most of Tennant's run, is where it really ramps up. There is a certain cinematic styling of season 5 and 6 that isn't quite there for a long time, though.

[–]thrid 0 points1 point ago

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While many may disagree with me, I found that the new Doctor Who is better with each passing season--so take heart that you're currently watching the worst season. Season two is an improvement, but has a really abysmal stretch near the end. Season three is fairly solid, and season four was actually my favorite Tenth Doctor series.

It's a shame series one had such poor writing--Eccleston did great with what little he was given.

[–]FlintsDoorknob 4 points5 points ago

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Yes you'll get to see River Song's first appearance! Moffat did some great episodes in Seasons 1-4 too if you dig his writing.

It's also fun to watch the old classic siries to see what things in the new series are paying tribute to it.

[–]sfp5005 6 points7 points ago

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Yes. Watch earlier moffat episodes. And john barrowman!

[–]CantWearHatsCyberperson 2 points3 points ago

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[–]sfp5005 1 point2 points ago

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Is he really the face of BO?! seriously?!

[–]roloenusaSmith 0 points1 point ago

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The official word is: "Maybe..."

RTD decided to be a dick and not tell us, though evidence says...

[–]bluesmojo 2 points3 points ago

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Yes. Christopher Eccleston is fantastic!

[–]Jurynelson 2 points3 points ago

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yes.

[–]roloenusaSmith 2 points3 points ago

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I started with Eccleston, and in his own worths.. "Fantastic!"

I have more love for him than Tenant. I love Tenant, but for me Eccleston embodies what a doctor should be like. He had some raw magic and power to make you hate him for loving him.

He was sarcastic, sardonic, and at times utterly heartless, and you never for a second felt unprotected or in danger with him. He just had a cool and collected demeanor that made you feel confident on the outcome regardless of the odds. This made Parting of the ways all the more tragic and awesome of a finale for me.

Tenant is kind of crazy and undeceive. I like him a lot, and his last arc was probably some of the best writing. Some of my favorite episodes are with Tenant and coincidentally most of those are written by Moffat.

Matt Smith for me is the best of both worlds. He captures Tenant's wacky and improvisational style and Eccleston's cool and collected mood.

[–]Erichilles 2 points3 points ago

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I was in the same situation last season. If you have the time, I'd definitely go back to it. But to be honest, I didn't get a whole lot out of Christopher Eccleston. David Tennant on the other hand was PRITy awesome.

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Eccleston is great after the fact. Watch later and you will find yourself missing him terribly. Too bad his series had the Slitheen in it.

[–]thefattestman 7 points8 points ago

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You know, I didn't mind the Slitheen nearly as much as I minded the way the season finale worked. The Slitheen seemed like an unpretentious, goofy villain. I also very much enjoyed the episode Boomtown.

Then again, I didn't mind Love & Monsters, either - I'd take L&M over Fear Her any day of the week.

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The season finale was a little odd, I will admit, though the scale and horror the Dalek attack was pretty cool. Too bad about the Doctor's "coward, any day" and the deus ex machina.

I didn't like "Love & Monsters", though I did enjoy the main character and his dancing. Awful monster and story, though, and let's not mention the part where they run through the doors...

"Fear Her": the tone was right, the story very not. It's why I'm happy Matthew Graham is getting another shot this series. His two-parter could be really quite excellent!

[–]saintdog 5 points6 points ago

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I didn't like "Love & Monsters", though I did enjoy the main character and his dancing.

I have to admit, I have a soft-spot for "Love & Monsters" just because of the ELO segment.

[–]falling_sideways 1 point2 points ago

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The monster was designed in a Blue Peter competition

[–]doskey 0 points1 point ago

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Well comparably it was one of the better Daleks Kill All finales.

[–]ChevronSilence 5 points6 points ago

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Really? I loved him while he was on. When Tennant had that 5 second appearance at the end ("Barcelona!") my first impression was something like "Oh no, this guy's so young he's going to ruin the spirit of the character and be all different..."

Of course, I ended up loving Tennant even more, but Eccleston was fantastic, absolutely fantastic.

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I liked him, but didn't realize how much till this year, when I was watching a video of top ten moments that Welshy (off the website "That Guy With the Glasses") had made.

[–]TheNutmegger 2 points3 points ago

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Totally agree. 10 is my favorite Doctor but I didn't realize how much I loved 9 until after he was gone. Also, his anger and personality and the transition into 10's more positive outlook also make sense with the story of his relationship with Rose.

Now I think I need to rewatch all of 9's episodes!

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I prefer Eleven - I think he is, far and away, the best, ever since Tom Baker - but I like Ten. :)

[–]basterdsquad 6 points7 points ago

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For me it boils down to this: Eccleston's 9th Doctor = great. The writing in the first season = mostly awful with a couple of good moments. I actually like the 9th Doctor better than the 10th, but there were more worthwhile moments in the 10th's run (mostly provided by Moffat). I'd recommend hitting the major plot points and best moments in Davies' era and skip the rest. There are other posts here that describe which episodes these are pretty accurately.

[–]thefattestman 6 points7 points ago

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Christopher Eccleston's performance is the kind of thing where you miss it when it's gone, but during the season itself you might be rolling your eyes a bit. It feels much more like a kid's show in Series 1, although episodes like Dalek and The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances make it all worthwhile.

But yeah. Eccleston. He's really good at playing Depressed, Angry Doctor, and that really does go a long way towards buoying Tennant's more emotional Doctor and Smith's "clever" Doctor. You really do see a sensible progression in the Doctor's character.

Tennant's run is also hit or miss, but it also contains some truly great episodes. And besides, bad episodes are as much part of Whodom as good episodes.

[–]Erichilles 1 point2 points ago

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I agree entirely, the empty child/the doctor dances are the episodes I directly recall when I think of Eccleston.

Like I said, I think it would be a good idea to watch, but I much prefered the Tennant and Smith.

[–]Jack_Mason[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Yeah, I feel like I'm going to have to tolerate him for a while. Also that PAL look, or "British" look in TV drives me crazy.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points ago

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I feel like I'm going to have to tolerate him for a while

Why? He's brilliant. My third favorite Doctor, after 11 and 4.

I guess the major difference is, you only miss him afterwards. Like, halfway through Ten's tenure, watch Eccleston and you'll miss him.

I'm going to die when Eleven goes, though.

[–]roflerskatez 2 points3 points ago

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American TV is so shiny...

[–]Secret7000Smith 1 point2 points ago

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Why does PAL drive you crazy compared to, say, NTSC?

[–]Jack_Mason[S] 1 point2 points ago

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PAL and NTSC have different frame rates, and PAL has more colour information and they both have different aspect ratios. I think it must be when they convert PAL to NTSC that's when you get that weird look. I can't really explain why, it just bothers me. It makes me feel like I need glasses.

[–]GreenLaserPen 1 point2 points ago

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The resolution is different (NTSC= 720x480, PAL = 720x576), but they're both 4:3 aspect ratios (non-square pixels). PAL has more lines of resolution. This might be the difference you're noticing.

But when you watch Doctor Who in NTSC, it's not 25fps converted down to 24. Instead, a type of pulldown is used (similar to the 3:2 pulldown used to get 24fps material to NTSC's 29.97) in order to "add" 5 frames without actually adding any frames. So you don't have the 4% speed difference that PAL viewers get when watching stuff shot at 24fps (they have to bump it up to 25fps, which makes it run 4% faster).

So you might just be seeing some of the slight image judder that comes with using a pulldown method and repeating fields and all that. Watching it on a computer monitor at the proper 25fps (i.e. download a torrent, or get a region 2 DVD) might help.

But since Planet of the Dead (so for the last 3 specials, and all of series 5 and 6), the show has been filmed at 1920x1080 high def, 25fps. So the resolution is the same at US HD (1920x1080), but the frame rate is again different. So you have the same pulldown business going on.

Honestly, I think you're just seeing the difference in cinematography styles between Series 1-4 and Series 5-6. The newer series are shot with more movie-style lighting and such, whereas the earlier series wear their "video"-ness on their sleeves a bit more.

[–]Secret7000Smith 0 points1 point ago

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Effectively, the framerate diffference when you look at the two images (DW is broadcast as a 25fps encoded in a 50i stream, giving it the more "filmic" look) is minimal. 23.976 for NTSC, 25 for PAL. In the UK, our DVDs are all 25fps rather than the 23.976 you get over there. Unless something really weird is going on to maintain the exact speed at which it is shown, then you should simply be watching Doctor Who slowed down by about 4%. It should be unnoticable.

The more recent episodes are still shot at 25fps so I don't see why you'd be having any problems with difference. They are on better cameras, though.

[–]HoboSteauxSilence 0 points1 point ago

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Id definitely agree, the 1st (revived) season has almost a soap opera feel to how the filming was done. Everything has too much of a 'bloom' look to it

[–]stivinladria 1 point2 points ago

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Duh.

[–]kensentmeTARDIS 1 point2 points ago

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That's how I started too. My first proper doctor was Matt Smith in series 5. Then I went back and caught up on series 1-4 before Series 6 started up a couple of weeks ago. Best part is that Moffat wrote some of the episodes during Tennant's run as the Doctor and a lot of that content seems to be relevant to the current series. Have fun and start watching Eccleston and Tennant.

[–]korthrun 1 point2 points ago

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Absolutely.

This series is awesome. The actor playing the Doctor changes as a matter of how the story works. Even with Doctors I'm not crazy about, the show is fantastic.

[–]brisingre 1 point2 points ago

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Yes.

[–]atxranchhand 1 point2 points ago

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yes... don't go further back unless you have a high tolerance for low budget..

[–]Bugs_Nixon 1 point2 points ago

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Oh it's all waiting for you - there's so much to experience... I'm quite jealous really. I'd love to be starting out for the first time again. It's a rollercoaster of an adventure.

[–]iam_a_duck 1 point2 points ago

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Yes! A thousand times yes. Each actor brings a certain something to the Doctor in their own way and it is awesome. I also still feel Tennant was the best.

[–]fjw 1 point2 points ago

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YES! Go back and watch Series 1 to 5 NOW, so you get the chance to see 6 in the right order :)

[–]Darkless 1 point2 points ago

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Don't know what all the David Tennant love is about I always wanted to smash his face in with that constant big stupid grin he irritated the hell out of me, I really liked Eccleston.

But I must say if you have the time and patience I'd say go right back to the beginning it's well worth it.

[–]roflerskatez 0 points1 point ago

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When I started, I jumped about a bit. I started with series 3, all this talk about Rose without really knowing who she is. Then when I'd watched the end of series 4, I decided to go back to series 1 and watch from there. I enjoyed them all to be honest, although every doctor is different. I think in Series 1 they were kind of finding their feet a little but there's some great moments.

Anyway, even if you prefer Matt Smith as the doctor, I think you will still enjoy the previous series in spite of that.

[–]mmporkchop 0 points1 point ago*

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Even though I think that series 5 really strays away from old backstory like companion/reoccurring enemies...watching series 1-4 would definitely give you more of an idea who the doctor is/ideologies/mortal enemies and blah blah blah

Also each of the different doctors bring another element and personality to the show. So it doesn't get repetitive and such

[–]mimus 0 points1 point ago

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Yes!

[–]brova 0 points1 point ago

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Watch all of the new seasons, with Eccleston and Tennant.

David Tennant is the best.

[–]gladvillain 0 points1 point ago

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Yes, the story with Rose, and then Martha, culminating with Donna is awesome and totally worth any Whovian's time.

[–]roloenusaSmith 2 points3 points ago

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Doctor Dona is my wife's favorite companion. She loved Martha and hated rose, but she says that Donna simple knew both the great and the awful of the Doctor without the lovie dobie glasses.

[–]poignantfallacyTennant 0 points1 point ago

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I started with David Tennant, and then I went back to Eccleston, he was amazing, I'm a big continuity person but this really didn't bother me, its a great series, I'm just afraid to go to far back for fear I'll be bored, btu I'll prob end up loving the hell out of it....waiting till I take my exams before I dive into the 1960s

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A hundred times yes. It lays the ground for the rest of the series, and I personally think that Christopher Eccleston's doctor is great, but opinion is fairly varied.

Also, it introduces Billie Piper, who is extremely important to the tenth Doctor.

[–]Rhawk187 0 points1 point ago

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Yes.

[–]Rhawk187 0 points1 point ago

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Yes.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Series 1 - 4 available for free to Amazon Prime members, as is Torchwood 1 and 2. Love, love, love

[–]Jack_Mason[S] 0 points1 point ago

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I'm Canadian, no amazon prime for us :(

[–]Post-Cynical 0 points1 point ago

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They're also available through Netflix's Instant Watch if you have that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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I'd give up Amazon Prime to live in Canada though!

[–]BeautifulPlumageSmith 0 points1 point ago

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YES. The ninth Doctor's story is beautiful and no one should ever skip it. I did the same thing, by the way, I watched Season 5 with Matt Smith, then I watched Season 1 with Eccleston, and then I watched the David Tennant seasons :)

[–]HattFerg 0 points1 point ago

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It definitely starts out slow compared to Matt Smith (it was also in like 2005, so special affects are lacking and can be pretty funny) but after you start to get to the end of the first season it gets awesome! And then I think it just gets better and better! But the story in the first few seasons is very good!

[–]jcos444K-9 0 points1 point ago

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Yes. Eccleston is good, but billie pieper is better. David Tenant is my favorite doctor as well.

[–]Ploppy17 0 points1 point ago

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Yes. Good god, yes.

[–]zoomonkees 0 points1 point ago

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That is not a question. (The answer is YES, though, if you still want to make it one. They are wonderful.)

[–]sirpogoTennant 0 points1 point ago

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WOT?! Yes.

[–]wagedomain 0 points1 point ago

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Yes. There's actually references to stuff sometimes from series 1-4. Most notably, I read somewhere that a reference to Rose is somewhere in series 6.

[–]crimzind 0 points1 point ago*

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Well, the first appear[ance] of River Song is in a previous season, and Blink, so, definitely worth going back, imo.

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[–]wagedomain 0 points1 point ago

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Regarding River, don't you mean the last appearance of River Song?

[–]blackshire 0 points1 point ago

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It's worth it for Billie Piper says I, even if you aren't a big on Eccleston.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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I loaned my 2005 season box set to some new Who fans and they loved it. I think it's great to start with 9s season and work your way through. Then when you've got heaps of time go back to the really old episodes!

[–]stonewiki 0 points1 point ago

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IAMA old guy and remember seeing a lot of the real old Doctor movies in the 70's. Hadn't seen much since. Last year I saw a couple of the then current series and thought it pretty good, so went back to series 1. Well worth watching it. Tried to watch some stuff from before that but that was (IMHO) awful.

[–]chalk46 0 points1 point ago

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The Eccleston episodes were fantastic

[–]wagedomain 0 points1 point ago

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True story: The first episode of Doctor Who I ever saw was The Idiot's Lantern, when it first aired on BBC America. My mom, who grew up with Who, made me watch it. Needless to say, I thought it was dumb and swore of Doctor Who forever.

Thankfully, I was bored one day, and saw Doctor Who had come to Netflix. Best day ever.

[–]zombie_kitten 0 points1 point ago

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It is definitely worth it. The season 3 episode Blink is the best hour of television ever!

[–]senopahx 0 points1 point ago

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Absolutely. There are a several good episodes and it sets up the Tennant years (which are a must).

[–]buddhasevil 0 points1 point ago

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I really liked Eccleston. He was still very much in his head about the whole Time War. Very unstable Doctor, and I really like his wild eyed grin from ear to ear. Rose is also FANTASTIC! By far my favorite assistant.

[–]sagard 0 points1 point ago

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YES.

[–]Unkillable_Thrill 0 points1 point ago

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I went back to Tennant, watched those three season, then went back to Eccleston. I would suggest watching Eccleston first so you understand all the references during the Tennant episodes.

[–]jerry111 0 points1 point ago

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Definitely. While I believe season 5 is the strongest season overall, some of the best individual episodes are in seasons 1-4. No reason not to go back.

[–]mweathr 0 points1 point ago

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Definitely. Ever since I heard "I'm the Doctor, run for your life!", I was hooked.

[–]StrangeGibberishEccleston 0 points1 point ago

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Short Answer: Yes. Long Answer: OOOOOHH GOOOOD YESSSS!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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YES DEFINITELY

[–]SilentMobius 0 points1 point ago

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Personally I'd start with Tom Baker, then Peter Davidson. Watch the 3 Doctors and The 5 Doctors. then the new stuff starting at Eccleston That is a good founding without going overboard

[–]whitenoise89 0 points1 point ago

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Christopher Eccleston will always be my doctor. <3

[–]kageurufuDalek 0 points1 point ago

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I loved Eccleston, But tennant is the best. Matt smith is just... odd

[–]Coloneljesus 6 points7 points ago

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ood?

[–]kageurufuDalek 0 points1 point ago

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fixed that for me :)

[–]raddaSmith 5 points6 points ago

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That is the point. 10 empathized with humans and for the most part. Sure, he was smarter than them, but they were brilliant nonetheless.

11? He loves Amy, sure, and he knows Rory is a total bro, but otherwise he doesn't seem to think too much of them. He's definitely not as human as 10.

[–]kageurufuDalek 1 point2 points ago

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I get why they did it, he just irks me in some way, i guess they are right, you always remember your first doctor...

[–]roloenusaSmith 0 points1 point ago

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Maybe he irks you because Tenant did things to save the his friends. But he became so human that it ended up bitting him in Waters of Mars.

Smith understands it better (imo). He knows that sometimes people die, and it sucks, but you can't be friends when you're saving the motherfucking universe.

[–]kageurufuDalek 0 points1 point ago

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this is true, and the more i watch smith, the more I like him

[–]zanthius 0 points1 point ago

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Didn't like 11 to start with, too young... but the recent epps, where he's getting darker. LOVE IT. will never take over David but Matt's going to be a close 2nd or 3rd after Tom.

[–]DelilahSA 0 points1 point ago

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YES YES YES especially do not miss the Tennant years....

[–]Erichilles -1 points0 points ago

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I was in the same situation last season. If you have the time, I'd definitely go back to it. But to be honest, I didn't get a whole lot out of Christopher Eccleston. David Tennant on the other hand was PRITy awesome.

[–]Jack_Mason[S] -1 points0 points ago

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OK I'm on episode 4, so far there's been lots of farting, pig creatures, and I just saw this Slitheen race............I hope you guys are right.

[–]looney_bergonziSilence 1 point2 points ago

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Series 1 doesn't really get good until episode 6, I'm afraid. Keep going.

[–]Jack_Mason[S] 0 points1 point ago

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OK good, will do then.

[–]looney_bergonziSilence -1 points0 points ago

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Or just skip to 6, either will do.

[–]Ninbyo -1 points0 points ago

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Definitely!!

[–]kamikazikid -4 points-3 points ago

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I'm not a big fan of Chris and I know alot of people arn't so maybe season 2 with Tennant would be a good starting point.

[–]Jurynelson 1 point2 points ago

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I tried to do this once (Watched Martha's intro ep Smith and Jones first), and a friend of mine called me at the same time every single day until I agreed to start with Rose.

and oh, it's great.

[–]blueajah 1 point2 points ago

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I did this. As soon as I finished with Tennant, I went back and watched em. They were good but just... not what I prefer. Probably because I can't stand Rose. I don't understand the near hero-worship people have for her. I loved Martha so much more.

[–]atxranchhand -2 points-1 points ago

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yes... don't go further back unless you have a high tolerance for low budget..