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[–]SebastianMoranAbsolute Monarchs: A History of the Papacy 32 points33 points ago

[–]unconditionallykind 0 points1 point ago

YES, YES, a thousand Times YES! This book is absolutely fantastic and yields my most favourite quote EVER:

"Conformity or rebellion?" "Neither one. Both ways are simple-minded — they are only for people who cannot cope with contradiction and ambiguity.

Said by the lead female character, Nell.

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[–]dudling 58 points59 points ago

The Abhorsen series by Garth Nix

[–]Waffleteer 10 points11 points ago

THIS is exactly what you are looking for.

[–]Sauce_PainHyperion 6 points7 points ago

Not just one female protagonist, but two!

[–]Trael 4 points5 points ago

I literally was just thinking of Sabriel an hour ago out of the blue, and come here to find this. AMAZING story.

[–]adinifinitumAmerican Gods 1 point2 points ago

I haven't read these books since middle school, but I loved them then. Some of the books I've picked up later on because I enjoyed them in middle school became 'no longer good' for me - are they worth picking up again? (i.e. Are these books really as good as I remember?)

[–]eli_bread 2 points3 points ago

At 23, I can say that these books remain fabulous.

[–]Trael 0 points1 point ago

I've only read the one..But I did go back and read it a few years later (I read it in middle school as well) And it still had the same enchantment...It was quite a bit easier to read, but still didn't feel simple by any means.

[–]Varyx 0 points1 point ago

They're absolutely just as good as you remember. I love the feeling of understanding the characters' deeper motivations as I get older- when I was young it was all about what was happening right now in the plot!

[–]couchiexperience 1 point2 points ago

I've read all of these multiple times. Really great books. Also by Nix, "Shade's Children."

One of the protagonists is a strong female who isn't defined by a relationship. Even if you're not looking for that in particular, it's still a groovy book.

[–][deleted] 45 points46 points ago

Contact by Carl Sagan.

[–]DrewBloodContact - Carl Sagan (first read) 7 points8 points ago

I can vouch for this

[–]kaythetall 3 points4 points ago

Meh. The entire book is about her need for approval and love from her Father. It's not a sexual relationship, obviously, but it still defines the whole story.

[–]MamaDaddySlaughterhouse Five 1 point2 points ago

so underrated. I loved this book.

[–]nathism 14 points15 points ago

Mercedes Lackey is a good bet, though her target age is middle school to high school, but her books very often feature female and even LBG and maybe T leads.

[–]boringlesbian 5 points6 points ago

Start with Oathbound. She wrote it because she was tired of fantasy novels always having male leads and vapid women characters.

[–]shrubberni 1 point2 points ago

She's good, but be aware that she fell the habit of using more or less the same story over and over and over. Her older stuff tends to be better, or at least more varied.

She also did some interesting collaborations. Andre Norton, etc.

[–]nathism 0 points1 point ago*

That's why I stopped reading her stuff.

[–]Brian 11 points12 points ago

This topic actually comes up quite often, so searching r/books for "strong female" turns up several threads that might be worth checking out. Similar searches in r/fantasy or r/scifi may turn up more. (For instance, this guy had a series of blog posts on the topic.)

Here are a few I'd recommend:

  • Ash: A Secret History, by Mary Gentle. An odd mix of fantasy, Sci-fi and alt-hist, set in 15th century Burgundy and focusing on Ash - a female mercenary captain who hears voices, Joan of Arc style. It's an excellent book, though can be a bit grim - Gentle does not hold back on the realities of life in this period.

  • Paladin of Souls, by Lois McMaster Bujold. Loose sequel to Curse of Chalion, which has a male protagonist but also some decent female roles, but this one focuses on a middle-aged female protagonist who considers herself to have made a failure of her life, and looks for change. Her science fiction (The Vorkosigan series) also has good female roles, though the central protagonist for most books is male (though Shards of Honor and Barrayar focus on his mother).

  • The Steerswoman series by Rosemary Kirstein. I've recommended this before here, but not many seem to have read it. It's science fiction, but appears, initially, to be fantasy - it's set in a fairly low tech world with wizards, goblins and dragons. What I like about it is that it often focuses on the process of science, and on the value of finding things out. The two main protagonists are both female, and are definitely both capable of "winning the day" on their own.

[–]unconundrum 1 point2 points ago

Ash is so, so good, and not nearly as well known as it should be.

[–]HI_McDonnoughMoonwalking with Einstein 0 points1 point ago

I was very happy with Paladin of Souls--I was going to recommend it. The other two I have not come upon, and you've convinced me to try them.

[–]frostflowersClash of Kings 10 points11 points ago

Un Lun Dun by China Miéville is pretty good - especially since it uses the Chosen By Prophecy-trope and then completely and utterly destroys it.

Mind you, its YA, so it might not be what you're looking for - but it's still good.

Similarly, Terry Pratchett's Tiffany Aching-series - there's a romantic subplot in book number four, but it's a subplot; the main plot always follows Tiffany facing various challenges. And the people she gets help from tend to be female.

[–]MrSpiteThe Rook 3 points4 points ago

YES. The Tiffany Aching books are EPIC and wonderful and I can't wait until my daughter is old enough to read them.

[–]KasariThe Hobbit 2 points3 points ago

Oh my gosh, Tiffany Aching is amazing. I don't know why I didn't think of them

[–]jlisleFantasy 0 points1 point ago

This was the very first example that came to mind. Such fantastic novels.

If you're okay with Christian overtones (and not everybody is - and that's okay) ... and, actually, if you can find a copy ... Fredrick S. Durbin's Dragonfly is really an incredible and imaginative novel. There is a young girl and a werewolf, and they do have a romance early in the story, but (spoiler alert) the werewolf gets murdered by the villian. In a really grotesque and evil twist, the villian then has the werewolf's pelt made in to a cloak and gives it to said young woman. Heady shit in a novel ostensibly written for 14 year olds. Also, pack a dictionary when reading this book.

[–]trompelemonde 11 points12 points ago

Tehanu by Ursula LeGuin?

[–]FacewizardJonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell 0 points1 point ago

gotta read the others first, I think. It's a wonderful series but your mileage may vary with each book, as each one was written with super different philosophical motivations on the part of the author

[–]ncboseTowers of Midnight 19 points20 points ago

  • Honor Harrington by David Weber
  • Confederation of valor by Tanya huff
  • RCN series by David Drake

  • Thursday Next by Jasper Fforde

  • Mistborn Series by Brandon Sanderson

to name some

[–]fictionalcharacterEvery Jane Austen Novel 5 points6 points ago

Points for mentioning Honor Harrington. Amazing series.

[–]VikingCoder 1 point2 points ago

...yeah, but she sure does spend a lot of time dealing with her romantic interests... I think one whole book of the series was about her relationship with her superior officer...

[–]RockInTheSea 2 points3 points ago

Well, the first 2 or 3 books are completely without romance, subplot or otherwise, and no one can dispute that Honor wins, carries and defines any day in the books.

[–]sigkircheisScience Fiction - Truth of Valor (Huff) 1 point2 points ago

Since I just read book 3 (The Short, Victorious War) a few weeks ago, I know it does contain the start of a relationship with Paul Tankersly (maintenance chief at Hanover.) And since I'm 2/3 of the way through book 4 (Field of Dishonor) now, I know that relationship's done. :(

I wouldn't call either book a romance, though.

[–]RockInTheSea 0 points1 point ago

True, which makes it exactly what OP wants. And have an upvote for the nickname :)

[–]ncboseTowers of Midnight 0 points1 point ago*

Yeah but she never lets it get in her way and he is not her superior officer by then.also, it is difficult not to have at least one romantic subplot when the series deals with the majority of her long life.

[–]Shinhan 6 points7 points ago

I'm not sure I'd agree about the Mistborn series.

Honor OTOH is definitely in charge.

[–]KasariThe Hobbit 2 points3 points ago

Seconded. Mistborn is one of my favorite series but I don't think it's what OP is looking for.

[–]Shinhan 1 point2 points ago

Loved the books, but I think the male leads are very prominent as well. Kelsier at the start, Elend later.

[–]The_Ace 2 points3 points ago

Agreed about Mistborn - great series if you enjoy the detailed magic system, and a strong female lead, but i think far too much emphasis on Vin + Elend romance for OP's criteria.

[–]HalakuA Memory of Light 2 points3 points ago

Seconding the Honorverse in general.

[–]MattCaulder 2 points3 points ago

Came here to mention Honor. Just started it and it's solid.

[–]ja_shmitty 0 points1 point ago

wanted to say mistborn

[–]Cap10Chaos 11 points12 points ago

Try John Varley's Gaean Trilogy Titan, Demon, and Wizard. Steel Beach by Varley is also excellent. Doomsday Book by Connie Willis. Idoru by William Gibson. The Diamond Age: Or, a Young Lady's Illustrated Primer by Neal Stephenson.

[–]ratinox 3 points4 points ago

Upvote for Diamond Age. Haven't read any of the others though.

[–]potatoscientist 0 points1 point ago

Came hear to mention the Gaean Trilogy, I reread it every couple of years. Cirocco Jones and Ellen Ripley would get along, I think.

[–]TrickyWidget 7 points8 points ago

Graceling by Kristin Cashore
His Dark Materials by Philip Pullman

I'm constantly looking for the same and, sadly, most of it is in the young adult market (I like YA, just sad that it's not anywhere else). I suppose that reflects that it's a relatively new value in genre fiction.

To further strengthen your search for genuinely strong women, I suggest you add to your criteria "not wearing a leather miniskirt and wielding phallic weapons". There's a lot of genre fiction out there (particularly urban fantasy) touting "strong" women that are little more than violent sex dolls. Fortunately, most of these have covers featuring the protagonist half-naked, so they're usually easy to spot.

[–]ratinox 1 point2 points ago

If I were you, I'd look to female scifi and fantasy authors from the 60s, 70s and later. Authors like Ursula K LeGuin, CJ Cherryh, Anne McCaffrey, Julian May, Sheri S Tepper, Marion Zimmer Bradley and Andre Norton were among the first women to be able to challenge traditional gender role ideas through science fiction and present female characters that were more than simply trophies to be won or rescued.

If you haven't tried any of them yet I recommend you give them a try; I'm pretty certain you'll find something you like!

[–]habroptilusThe Beginning of Infinity 3 points4 points ago

On the subject of Anne McCaffrey, her books are actually pretty sexist. There is a "strong" female character in the first Pern book, but it turns out she's not "strong" as much as "wild" and needing to be tamed by a manly manly man and his manly dragon and some rough, bestial dragon sex. After that there are no female characters who are anything other than moral support for the men in their lives or petty bitches.

[–]greenvelvetcakeMoby Dick 1 point2 points ago

I could write a dissertation on Anne McCaffrey and how her views on gender and sexuality leaked into the universe.

[–]habroptilusThe Beginning of Infinity 0 points1 point ago

His Dark Materials seriously derails Lyra's character in the second book. She seems to recover from the chickification by the end of the third, but not really enough to make up for her total lapse of presence and handing over the reins of the plot to Will. (To me, anyway.)

[–]OneSevenEight 5 points6 points ago

Katharine Kerr's 'Deverry' series is good for well-rounded female characters who get things done. It's Celtic-inspired fantasy. If you're on Goodreads you might trawl through some related groups; I seem to recall a mammoth recommendation thread on this exact topic some time ago and there are bound to be more.

[–]MetalSpider 2 points3 points ago

Nobody recommends this enough.

[–]ratinox 2 points3 points ago

Agreed. She's an excellent author who is often shamefully overlooked, along with the superlative Julian May.

[–]slightlyKiwi 1 point2 points ago

Yay! From the downvotes I normally get for mentioning her I though I was the only Julian May fan around here!

[–]OneSevenEight 1 point2 points ago

I always feel like a bit of an evangelist about her for that very reason. I'm like the crazy Katharine Kerr lady who pops up in every book thread, but for those of you new to her the enthusiasm IS merited. She does a great job of building a world steeped in ritual, patriarchial structure and social hierarchy and then promptly conjures up a dozen ways for her female characters to shine anyway.

Plus there's some excellent swearing.

[–]mortenaaIn the Plex | 23% 9 points10 points ago

[–]TheEnigmaticT 0 points1 point ago

Great book. OP, take heed!

[–]shrubberni 1 point2 points ago

Huh. I was browsing to try to figure out what to read next. Guess what I have on my table. "Deed" it is!

[–]sykotikkyttenFantasy || Wheel Of Time Re-read 7 points8 points ago

The Beka Cooper Series by Tamora Pierce.

[–]greenvelvetcakeMoby Dick 2 points3 points ago

Basically anything by Tamora Pierce.

[–]sigkircheisScience Fiction - Truth of Valor (Huff) 0 points1 point ago

Which would be a good book to start with?

[–]Varyx 3 points4 points ago

I like the Alanna series, Wild Magic and the Keladry series. They all focus entirely on strong female protagonists, whereas the Circle of Magic etc has four different people. Alanna's stories would be the best to start with as they're fairly early on in the universal timeline and she crops up in the other books after her series is finished.

[–]sigkircheisScience Fiction - Truth of Valor (Huff) 1 point2 points ago

OK, thanks, I'll give that a try. That'd be the Song of the Lioness series, "Alanna 1st Adventure" then, if I grok Amazon's listings.

It's hard to know just which thread is the best to tug on first when trying to jump into a long-established "universe" with several sub-series and tangents, prequels and sequels alike.

[–]Varyx 1 point2 points ago

Yep! SotL is one of the earlier series both in her writing and in the actual universe's timeline, so it's really obvious that she develops as a writer as the seriessesese....seseseses progress. Enjoy!

[–]greenvelvetcakeMoby Dick 1 point2 points ago

The Alanna series was the first; it might be a bit shakier than the others in terms of writing, but it sets the land and history of Tortall. I'm a big fan of Keladry (Protector of the Small) and the Circle of Magic series. Trickster's Choice and Trickster's Queen are also very good. I haven't gotten around to reading Beka Cooper, though.

Most of her books take place in the land of Tortall (and surrounding countries) but Circle of Magic has its own universe.

[–]LadySkylarPride and Prejudice 1 point2 points ago

I would say the Protector of the Small series (about Keledry). The writing in those books is rather better than in the Alanna books (though I still love Alanna's series) and although it is a later series in the Tortall universe, you can still easily understand what is going on.

[–]Angeldust01 6 points7 points ago

Revelation Space books by Alaistair Reynolds have several strong female characters. I'd say over half of the main characters are badass women, which is quite rare. There are no classic heroes in these books though..

Imo, Reynolds is one of the finest modern scifi writers.

[–]jradavenport 10 points11 points ago

Wyoh from Moon is a Harsh Mistress by Robert Heinlein is a great female lead. This book single handedly got me in to reading in my early 20's. I was disappointed when I started seeing female lead characters in other Heinlein books that were essentially Austin Powers 'esqe Fembots (e.g. tits and attitude sex kittens)

Even though I'm red-blooded boob-loving porn-watching American male, I find it very cheap when authors rely on sex, and especially unrealistic sexual attitudes in women, to move a plot or fill pages.

[–]deathofregretthe girl who kicked the hornet's nest 2 points3 points ago

the end of that book makes me want to tear my hear out, though.

[–]habroptilusThe Beginning of Infinity 0 points1 point ago

She's an OK character, but she's not a "lead" except in that she's the "most leading female". The book isn't about her.

[–]kraftymiles 0 points1 point ago

Heinlein generally has a bad rep for the way he treats the female characters, but I came here to recommend this book as well.

[–]unicornsquid 4 points5 points ago

anything by Robin McKinley. Well, except for her retelling of the beauty and the beast story, but such is the nature of that fairy tale.

[–]Spideymaan 0 points1 point ago

I was going to mention Sunshine, but if you think about it, that one is another sort of retelling of Beauty and the Beast. I actually read an interview with her where she said she's obsessed with that story and keeps writing it in different form.

[–]unicornsquid 1 point2 points ago

It kind of is, but while is there is some attraction going on, the heroine isn't defined by it. She is the driving force behind them surviving and kicking vampire butt. So I think it counts in this. The other one(/s) (I'm thinking she did two vastly different interpretations) that are more close to the original, is what I was referring to. (I also love Sunshine, in the genre of urban fantasy, it is one of the few beacons of hope in a world gone terribly terribly wrong)

[–]PrisonerKnight 0 points1 point ago

I adore The Hero and the Crown.

[–]polarka 5 points6 points ago

Xenogenesis trilogy by Octavia E. Butler (and I guess her other books)

[–]noolsy 5 points6 points ago

L'Engle (Wrinkle in Time) and Furlong (Juniper, Wise Child).

[–]Urrrhn 11 points12 points ago

I've just started reading it, so I'm not sure where it's going to go, but the Mistborn series by Brandon Sanderson might be what you're looking for.

[–]reasonably_insane 0 points1 point ago

I finished the first one. Definitely what the OP is requesting.

[–]ratinox 4 points5 points ago

I'm on the third, and I'm undecided. Wait until you get to the end of book two, then I think you'll see what I mean.

[–]YaoSlapQuicksilver 0 points1 point ago

How is the series? I'm thinking about reading it next.

[–]travelinghobbitAll Creatures Great and Small 4 points5 points ago

Another young adult series for you. Try The Enchanted Forest Chronicles by Patricia C. Wrede. It's mostly about the princess Cimorene saving the day with her friends Morwen the witch and the female dragon Kazul. Very witty and humorous. Total of four books and some short stories.

[–]LadySkylarPride and Prejudice 1 point2 points ago

I second this! Those books are fantastic.

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[–]habroptilusThe Beginning of Infinity 2 points3 points ago

I love this book. It's kind of over the top and cheesy but I can't get enough of it.

[–]VikaWiklet 4 points5 points ago

The Anne McCaffrey Harper's Hall series (Dragonsong, Dragonsinger). The protagonist is a teenager, however.

[–]ratinox 2 points3 points ago*

Anything by Anne McCaffrey. Her books frequently feature strong female leads where romance is usually a sub-plot; Lessa, of course, is the most prominent of these, from the Dragonriders of Pern series (of which the Harper's Hall books are almost an addendum), but all her other series are worth considering - there's Killashandra from the Crystal Singers series, Rowan and her family from the Talents series, and Helva, the Ship Who Sang to name but a few.

[–]shadus 1 point2 points ago

Highly recommend this author, I went on a "killing spree" of her books about 10 years ago and read them all. There are some real gems out of what are considered to be her more mainstream and common works.

[–]lazyliberalNeuromancer 3 points4 points ago

The Hunger Games series.

Romance is a subplot.

[–]punkypoet 1 point2 points ago

came here to say this!

[–]Varyx 0 points1 point ago

I liked the trilogy, but I felt in the second and third books the romance subplot was poorly written and not very well developed, as were other parts of the plot. The first one was brilliant though.

[–]lazyliberalNeuromancer 0 points1 point ago

The part I liked the most though out the series was with the Spoiler. I was able to look past some of the weaknesses in other parts of the plot. I guess that is the rebel in me.

[–]graph1kThe Bishop's Heir 4 points5 points ago

Try "Running With the Demon" by Terry Brooks, and if you like it, the next two.

[–]slightlyKiwi 2 points3 points ago

C J Cherryh's The Chronicles of Morgaine. Julian May's Saga of the Exiles. The Adventures of Bernice Summerfield by various (Bernice started off as a character in the Doctor Who novels published during the Great Interregnum, and later got her own series). Mindplayers by Pat Cadigan. Path of Honour by Diana Pharaoh Francis (I didn't personally like this last one, but Your Mileage May Vary). Pollen by Jeff Noon. Automated Alice by Jeff Noon.

Come to think of it, I'm appaled by how little there is.

[–]matohota 0 points1 point ago

So rare that I have a specific meta tag (female protagonist) for books like this in my "Things I've Read" database! :-( They are rarer than hen's teeth... but it's getting better.

[–]cymon_tymplar 4 points5 points ago

The Green Rider series by Kristen Britain

[–]Spideymaan 0 points1 point ago

I adored Green Rider, but I was so disappointed with the second book of the series that I never made it to the third. Is it worth reading?

[–]isendra3 0 points1 point ago

I thought so, but it depends on why you were disappointed. I think I liked the second book better...

[–]ciaran81 2 points3 points ago

The Empire Trilogy by Raymond Feist and Janny Wurts

I had some trouble trying to explain the book myself (it is a single trilogy in a series spanning close to 30 books now) so just lifted this off Amazon.

Mara is taking her final religious vows when a messenger interrupts the ceremony to report the deaths in battle of her father and brother. Now Ruling Lady of the Acoma, the teenager must rally its depleted forces against many enemies, particularly Lord Jingu of the Minwanabi, who sent her menfolk to their demise. Hampered though she is by the rigid traditions of her Oriental society, Mara replenishes her army with the masterless grey warriors and skillfully reaches a bargain with the cho-ja, insectoid aliens. Her most dangerous gambit is a political marriage to cement an alliance. Deprived of overt status, she finds it difficult to manipulate her brutish but cunning husband.

[–]ratinox 0 points1 point ago

This would be a good choice for the OP. I think Lady Mara is very much what she's looking for, certain barbarian slaves notwithstanding ;)

[–]ciaran81 1 point2 points ago

Yea, some of that stuff wouldn't really fit into the strong female role but overall it seemed like a good fit. Mara was pretty awesome in the end though although she did make some bad decisions pretty often (although I guess that is what makes her human).

[–]ratinox 0 points1 point ago

Yeah, she's a good character and it's a trilogy I very much enjoyed and reread from time to time. I think the key thing is that romance is neither the central focus of the plot nor of Mara's character. That Mara is constantly confronted by difficulties with the establishment, or the culture, and resolves them through guile, ingenuity, compassion and integrity seems very much the kind of novel bloodfyr is looking for.

[–]ciaran81 1 point2 points ago

You found the words I was not able to. I couldn't find a good way to explain the book without trying to explain the entire rest of the series.

So thanks!

[–]RecorderOfMemories 3 points4 points ago

Tamora Pierce tends to deliver. As with Lackey, her target audience is high school aged students, but I still absolutely love her works and still read them when I feel like I can't do anything on my own. Because if they can do the extraordinary things that they do, why can't I get through my day as well?

[–]Redebidet 4 points5 points ago

The character Molly in Neuromancer might fit the bill. The book does center on a male lead character called Case, but Molly is definitely the stronger character (both physically and emotionally), and the story revolves around her almost as much as Case. I think the only reason she's not the lead character is because the author is male so he chose to "follow" Case around in the story, but Molly is stronger and arguably more interesting.

She also comes from a background where her value was originally in her sexuality, but by her own ability she is now pretty much a badass, and it's not in an attempt to be edgy or something, her character genuinely comes off as a strong individual, her gender doesn't play into it much. There isn't really a romantic subplot, but there is sex, but it's more from a "you're cool and there is weird stuff going on, lets form an alliance and kind of bone because we might die tomorrow" type thing, which I find much closer to real life than the traditional love plot in sci-fi.

As a side note it's a good book, and it was surprisingly prophetic in a lot of ways about the rise of communications systems and the internet. It coined a lot of the terms used today (it was written in the 80s) such as cyber space, etc. The way technology is kind of a mix between 80s tech, modern tech, and stuff that hasn't been invented (neorological connections to cyber space, insanely smart artificial intellegence) is pretty interesting too.

If you read it let me know what you think!

[–]slackfiend 2 points3 points ago

Granny Weatherwax from the Discworld books.

[–]heliosxx 7 points8 points ago

No one has mentioned the Hunger Games yet?

[–]ferbMockingjay 2 points3 points ago

I considered mentioning it, but romance does weave heavily through the series.

[–]heliosxx 2 points3 points ago

It isn't the point of the books though. Romance is in just about every book, male or female protagonist. This protagonist is certainly not defined by her romantic interests.

[–]pooq45 0 points1 point ago

I was going to say that too. It is in there, but I think for a YA book its not that bad on the mushy love stuff.

[–]irpeach9 0 points1 point ago

This series

[–]BeerOtterAlinea 2 points3 points ago

Friday, by Robert Heinlen.

[–]mariox19The Righteous Mind 2 points3 points ago

I read this when I was teen, and then re-read it a few years ago (in my 40's). You're right to recommend it based on the criteria, but I didn't really enjoy it that much the second time around.

[–]retsotrembla 2 points3 points ago

If you ignore the rape scene, and Friday being friendly to her rapist after, and if you ignore Friday's general assumption that she is inferior.

("But aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, what did you think of the play?")

Oddly, I do enjoy Friday, but many women find the above too much of a hurdle.

[–]habroptilusThe Beginning of Infinity 0 points1 point ago

Doesn't she assume she's inferior because she's a bioengineered something, not because she's female? (Forgive me, it's been a while since I read it.)

[–]cojoco 1 point2 points ago

"The End of Mr. Y" by Scarlett Thomas

[–]Sauce_PainHyperion 1 point2 points ago

And "Popco", by Scarlett Thomas.

[–]cojoco 1 point2 points ago

What did you think of "Our Tragic Universe" ?

[–]Sauce_PainHyperion 1 point2 points ago

I didn't enjoy it actually. Was very meandering and nothing much happened. Far too introspective for my tastes.

[–]cojoco 0 points1 point ago

I enjoyed parts of the story, but as a whole it left me a little bewildered.

That Wizardy stuff at the end seemed a bit contrived.

[–]theantigod 2 points3 points ago

Vatta's War Series by Elizabeth Moon

Remnant Population by Elizabeth Moon

Lilith's Brood by Octavia Butler

Cyteen and Regenisis by C.J. Cherryh

[–]Bilbringi9 2 points3 points ago

The Deed of Paksenarrion by Elizabeth Moon. This is exactly what you are looking for. About a girl evolving into a Paladin. Awesome series.

[–]4221 0 points1 point ago

I was looking for this, but I did not know the name in english

[–]MrSpiteThe Rook 2 points3 points ago

Check out Cherie Priest's Clockwork Century series - try starting out with Boneshaker.

It's a great post-Civil War steampunk series and the lead character in Boneshaker, Briar Wilkes, is a fantastic female protagonist. She's this very conflicted woman with a dark past, but she's incredibly self-reliant and tough, and she basically has to venture into the zombie-infested ruins of Seattle - the history of what happened to Seattle is very cool - to rescue her son.

There's no romance driving the story. Just maternal love and the fact that Briar is a tough, tough lady and she's not going to give up. I love this series.

[–]greenvelvetcakeMoby Dick 2 points3 points ago*

Thumbs up for Boneshaker. For a book whose summary involved steampunk, airships, pirates, and zombies, I was really surprised at how well it flowed as a narrative. I thought it was going to just pander to current fads, but it works. Briar was a fascinating lead; it was refreshing to see zero romance in a novel.

[–]isendra3 1 point2 points ago

Pattern Recognition by William Gibson is a great one!

[–]Salivation_Army 0 points1 point ago

If you're ok with D&D novels, the Thorn of Breland series is pretty good. Written by the creator of the Eberron setting.

[–]rockeh 1 point2 points ago

Carrie Vaughn's Kitty Norville series.

HERE BE SPOILERS

The series does werewolves and vampires right, mind you, so don't let any other popular book series put you off.

[–]SheftManaging Your Nail Clippings - re-reading chapter 6 (toe nails) 2 points3 points ago

I know that series is urban fantasy, but that's just a loose disguise. It's pure chick-lit romance - everything the guy's not looking for.

[–]hakien 1 point2 points ago

There is a Brazilian writer, that is writing a fantasy novel online, one chapter at time. It turns out the main lead is female (dog antro, no humans on the story) Amazing story so far.But alas no translation to English.

However if u can read Portuguese, u should check it out.

Rainhadogelo.com

[–]RattusRattus 0 points1 point ago

We who are about to... by Joanna Russ.

[–]kraftymiles 0 points1 point ago

How about Falling Out of Cars by Jeff Noon? Also Automated Alice by Noon as well.

[–]moonlight21348 1 point2 points ago*

There was this 1 scifi book back in high school i read where there was this very intelligent female lead. She solves mysteries

Her name started with 'M'

I believe it was called Nemesis by Asimov

The SF genre in movies has a feminist theme in them which is hard not to notice.

E.G. The Alien Series, Resident Evil Series, Ultraviolet, Alien v. Predator[2004], Aeon Flux, and Terminator 3[although it wasn't direct I thought it had a feminist undertone]

But in the books they don't seem to do that often. It's Weird.

[–]trumf 0 points1 point ago

The Scar by China Mieville. It's about a woman who is taken prison into a floating city that make it's living by piracy and want to start mining possibilities at a hole that was made when aliens chrashed into the planet. You get to follow her struggle to escape the city.

Embassytown, also by China mieville, has a female leading character and is very good. This is more of a sci-fi setting but it's hard to place either of the books in a firm genre.

[–]Belial4 1 point2 points ago

The Wheel of Time?

[–]Astrogat 5 points6 points ago

While the Wheel of Time might have a few females not defined by their romantic partners, I wouldn't recommend it. Not that it's bad, but the females are not strong. They are.. men? With big boobs. And they are not well written. In short, they are the worst things with the books.

[–]thebighouseGeneral Fiction -1 points0 points ago

I say most females in WoT are strong and a point is made that they're independant. But nothing else comes out of them and so all the women in the book is just the same caracter in different moods. (WoT is just bad. It keeps going on about details no one cares about. The plot is infuriatingly slow.)

[–]isendra3 1 point2 points ago

You can make women strong and independent without making them be bitches. I love me some WoT, but Robert Jordan couldn't write a decent female character to, well the rest of that phrase seems inappropriate... But you know what I mean.

[–]MachinShin2006 0 points1 point ago

really?

that's your suggestion? have you even READ the WoT books? There's a term from the movies i can't remember that WoT violates ALL THE time. (It's about how, most movie female characters rarely discuss anything but the men in their lives, or their relationships, or whose character is defined by her relationships with men).

[–]kaythetall 2 points3 points ago

You're thinking of the Bechdel test. And although the books don't do the genders any favors, I'd say any of the plots set in the White Tower are pretty much entirely internal, ie no men.

[–]MachinShin2006 1 point2 points ago

that's true, the Aes Sedai, by definition, are sub-plots that are exclusive of men.

But, Good Lord, consideirng how much of the whining and bitching by Egwene, Nynaeve and Elayne is about their respective love interests, it's easy to forget that there is anything else about the women in that series.

Clearly i'm not wholly unbiased towards WoT :)

[–]seldomifeverShip of Magic 1 point2 points ago

That's the Bechdel Test, I believe.

[–]heliosxx 1 point2 points ago

Polaris by McDevitt. I think the same character is in a bunch of those books, but that's the one that stuck in my head.

[–]mariah_aSandman 0 points1 point ago

I, Robot in a way.

[–]habroptilusThe Beginning of Infinity 0 points1 point ago

Kind of, but not really. It's more like the book is about a woman talking about stuff more interesting men did.

[–]mariah_aSandman 0 points1 point ago

Well, I wouldn't say that. She told the robot it was lying, found the lost robot and several other story plot points I can't quite remember in proper detail.

[–]BritishHoboOf Mice And Men 1 point2 points ago

Time to recommend the same thing I do in almost every post: Mira Grant's Newsflesh Trilogy, a zombie-thriller-political-conspiracy dealie following a blogger reporting on a political campaign a few years after a zombie apocalypse.

I'd say there's a slight relationship angle, but also that it hardly counts, given that it's the close, non-romantic relationship between brother and sister, and is only there to flesh out the characters, rather than as an actual plot.

NB: Mira Grant is the pen-name of Seanan McGuire, who I think writes a YA/children's fantasy with a main female character(?). The Newsflesh Trilogy is somewhere inbetween YA and adult, but I'm too tired to bother to think of what that would actually be.

[–]nikils 1 point2 points ago

Am annoyed that no one else has upvoted this. Loved the first book, and am waiting quite impatiently for the third.

Excellent series.

[–]AdShea 0 points1 point ago

The David Eddings books have a pretty good female character (Polgara the sourceress), but she's not the lead.

[–]ratinox 0 points1 point ago

They're a good starting point into the genre for young adults or the newly literate, but I would not say they're what the OP is looking for. Polgara is literally the only strong female character in the entire series and she's basically "Strict Mom With Spells." They have a special place in my heart and I always recommend them to certain types of reader, but if you're looking for a series with a strong female protagonist with complex character and motivations, this is not it.

[–]AdShea 0 points1 point ago

Very very true.

[–]MachinShin2006 1 point2 points ago

looking for ANY complex character or motivations in ANY David Eddings books is an exercise in futility :)

They're fun reads, but not something for anyone who's outgrown the YA genre

[–]thegurl 1 point2 points ago

I like the Kelley Armstrong books. Not all the women are even in relationships, but when they are, they're not usually the defining issues of the books.

[–]selfabortionThe Hunger Angel - Herta Muller 0 points1 point ago

The Etched City by KJ Bishop and Mists of Avalon by Marion Zimmer Bradley (this is a tragedy more than a "winning the day" story)

[–]omigahguy 1 point2 points ago

Glasshouse by Charles Stross.

[–]sigkircheisScience Fiction - Truth of Valor (Huff) 1 point2 points ago

And Saturn's Children by Charles Stross, though technically its lead character isn't a woman.

[–]Varyx 0 points1 point ago

Thanks SO much for reminding me of this guy. All my love.

[–]omigahguy 0 points1 point ago

out of curiosity, which guy, the "guy" in the book or Stross?

[–]Varyx 0 points1 point ago

Charles Stross. I picked up some of his stuff a little while ago and was just entranced, but then I forgot all about it due to more pressing matters-- until now! Going to try and find Glasshouse again in my 2000+ book monstrosity of a collection.

[–]omigahguy 1 point2 points ago

he is a lurker on here, he actually responded to a post I made regarding his last book, http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/krv1u/charles_stross_just_published_rule_34_a_book/ , pretty cool

[–]Varyx 0 points1 point ago

Oh my gosh oh my gosh oh my gosh oh my gosh oh my gosh!

That's awesome!

[–]therealjerrystaute 1 point2 points ago

Cordelia's Honor by Lois McMaster Bujold. It will blow you away. And immediately compel you to read nine more books by this woman.

[–]citizenfaith 0 points1 point ago

Against A Dark Background - Iain M Banks

[–]that-john-kydd 0 points1 point ago

This is the only one that I've read that comes to mind, it was a lot better than I expected it to be. http://www.amazon.com/Faith-Fire-Warhammer-000-Novels/dp/1844162893

[–]feigndad 1 point2 points ago

Again? Oh, with the non-romatic twist? Alright.

Honor Harrington series by David Weber. Earlier in the story better, the character feels less like superman. (Baen free library: http://www.baenebooks.com/s-108-david-weber.aspx?CategoryFilterID=1&ManufacturerFilterID=0& )

Deed of Paksenarrion, Elizabeth Moon. (She's writing new books in this world now) Free at the BAEN FREE LIBRARY: http://www.baenebooks.com/s-78-elizabeth-moon.aspx?CategoryFilterID=1&ManufacturerFilterID=0&

Mistborn series by Brandon Sanderson.

[–]demagisThe Black Prism 0 points1 point ago

Anything by Jane Lindskold will work for you, she has a high-fantasy series that is completed (the Firekeeper series at 6 books), and an urban fantasy that is currently at three, and starts with 13 Orphans. There is romance in all of them but it's almost never the driving force of the plot.

[–]cailin_gaditana 1 point2 points ago

Firekeeper series by Jane Lindskold

[–]Azhriaz 1 point2 points ago

Deepsix by Jack McDevitt

[–]incorporeal05Analog SF&F | May Issue 0 points1 point ago

I second this. Fantastic book.

[–]sigkircheisScience Fiction - Truth of Valor (Huff) 0 points1 point ago*

A few Fantasy novels not yet mentioned:

Jacquelline Carey's Kushiel series (initial trilogy)

Elizabeth Haydon's Rhapsody and sequels.

Jullet Marillier's Daughter of the Forest

Sara Douglas's Wayfarer's Redemption trilogy

Lynn Abbey's Daughter of the Bright Moon

[–]matohota 1 point2 points ago

I second the Kushiel series; a unique series that focuses on a highly-trained courtesan/spy.

[–]toddam310 0 points1 point ago

"Chronicles of Elantra" series (or "Cast" series) by Michelle Sagara. REALLY strong main female character.

[–]PsimanByzantium 0 points1 point ago

Matter By Iain M Banks has a strong female central character who I find particularly compelling since part of the plot has to do with her coming from a medieval society and her relationship to the patriarchal family she left behind.

[–]MachinShin2006 1 point2 points ago

Ugh. Matter so totally pissed me off..

he spent like 400 pages building up this great world and characters, and then realized "oh shit, this book is huge, i gotta finish up the story", and wrapped it up in 50 pages of deus ex machina meets deus ex machina.

[–]PsimanByzantium 1 point2 points ago

That's as may be, but you have to admit that Anaplian was a pretty cool female hero, and she was not in fact defined by her romantic interests.

[–]MachinShin2006 1 point2 points ago

I will grant you that

[–]gridpoetA Dance with Dragons 0 points1 point ago

The Gap Cycle by Stephen R Donaldson is pretty good.

[–]KasariThe Hobbit 0 points1 point ago

Elantris, by Brandon Sanderson. The main female spends most of the book thinking that her husband, who she had never met, is dead.

[–]ashadocat 1 point2 points ago

In Branden Sandersons mistborn the strong female lead saves the romantic subplot once or twice.

[–]Varyx 0 points1 point ago

The Anita Blake series.

Hahahahaha, oh wait. I retract that statement.

But the Earthsea books had Tenar/Arha, if you were interested-- the last one had a major plot specifically focused around women's magic. Also most of Jasper Fforde's stuff!

[–]Spideymaan 2 points3 points ago

Well, there's no denying Anita is a strong female lead. And if you can remember waaaay back in the series - before she got infected with her "sex demon" that requires her to sex up literally every male character in the book - there wasn't any sex or even much romance in the first 3 or 4 books of the series. I'd actually recommend the very first book of the series to a lot of people, since it's so dark and gritty.

[–]Varyx 1 point2 points ago

Yeah, I was very disappointed around the 4th book. It went from "resisting" to Spoiler to Spoiler It was really just kind of depressing and terrible by the later books and really put me off reading any more of her stuff. Later I tried the faerie ones -- same deal. Great main character, completely spoilt by the sickening amount of sexual escapades that are obviously just put in for titillation.

[–]Spideymaan 0 points1 point ago

Yep. From "hey, this is interesting gritty crime fic meets vampire fic" to a train wreck of soft core porn. I can't decide whether she figured out that this sells better than gritty detective fic, or if she just has more fun writing crazy vampire-were-cheetah-Anita orgies. =P

I read a review of the Fairy ones that said "the main characters get into bed on page 30 and never get out", and that pretty much told me everything I needed to know.

[–]MEscribe 0 points1 point ago

Tatja Grimm's World by Vernor Vinge. Never mind the cover art, it will make more sense when you read the book. I love all of his books, and all of them have strong female characters.

[–]marquis_of_chaos 0 points1 point ago

The Ballad of Halo Jones?. It's written by Alan Moore and drawn by Ian Gibson.

[–]Spideymaan 0 points1 point ago

Great suggestions in this thread! I didn't see anyone mention the Summon the Keeper books by Tanya Huff, where the main characters are two sisters (and their cats).

Also, did anyone else read the insane "Alien Chronicles" series by Deborah Chester? They're set in a completely alien galaxy and the main character is from a cat-like species called Aarouns. It's definitely sci-fi, she's a very strong lead, and I don't believe there's any romance in it.

[–]monkeyjiggles 0 points1 point ago

Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson.

[–]mindspillageGödel, Escher, Bach 0 points1 point ago

Beggars In Spain, Nancy Kress.

[–]teladorion 0 points1 point ago

In SF, Joan Slonczewski's recent the Highest Frontier. The main character is female and while she gets a boyfriend, that is a tiny, tiny fraction of the book. In fact, all of Joan Slonczewski's books are feminist.

[–]Kantor48The Blade Itself 0 points1 point ago

The Oracle by Catherine Fisher, and its sequels The Archon and The Scarab, are great fantasy books with strong female leads.

[–]kurtu5 0 points1 point ago

Any thing by Elizabeth Moon. Especially "Sassinak"

Sassinak was 12 when the raiders came. That made her just the right age: old enough to be used, young enough to be broken. Or so the slavers thought. But Sassy turned out to be a little different . . . and bided her time to become the fleet captain of a pirate-chasing ship of her own.

Also Octavia Bulter. She is out there. Way way out there.

[–]hashi_lebwohl 0 points1 point ago

Here's one that's way out there - "the Steel Remains" and "The Cold Commands" by Richard K Morgan. Arketh is a crossbreed human / et, and lesbian to boot. Also practically immortal. These books are hard to put in a genre, probably fantasy / sci-fi, leaning more towards fantasy.

The main male protagonist (Ringil Eskiath) is also brilliantly drawn. Well worth a read, but seriously hard-core, definitely not YA!

[–]whiteskwirl2It 0 points1 point ago

Best Served Cold, Joe Abercrombie

[–]OneCuriousMind 0 points1 point ago

The Unexpected Dragon by Mary Brown. Its combination of three of her books: Pigs Don't Fly, Master of many Treasures, and Dragonne's Eg. It's a long book, but surely one of my favorites. The main character is a young girl, but it follows her life as her personality, world view, and opinion on many matters changes completely. It may seem boreing, but it is a very iteresting plot and a must read. I loved it! She travels on foot aross the content of asia, and makes many friends.. Including a flying pig, a bear, and a horse- like creature that seems to be buddist. ( I don't remember the details, I read it a while ago. )

[–]mobyhead1 0 points1 point ago

Must the strong female lead be human? Because one of my favorite strong female characters is Pyanfar Chanur from The Pride of Chanur and several sequels.

[–]Sarochan 0 points1 point ago

I would recommend A Princess of Roumania and The Tourmaline, by Paul Park, the first two in the Roumanian Quartet. Hopefully the entire series is recommendable, but I've only read the first ones, so I can't vouch for the rest. Anyway, I would say that those two could fit your requirements.

[–]matohota 0 points1 point ago

City of Pearl (sci-fi) - Karen Traviss (first in the Wess'Har Cycle) Besides the amazingly strong and intelligent protagonist, the series also has a strong plot that focuses on first contact, invasive species, and one of the coolest viruses I have encountered in a science fiction book. The series is complete and has been out for awhile so it might be difficult to pick up the books. I can't recommend her enough. All of her work is really strong.

Survival - (sci-fi) - Julie Czerneda (first in the Species Imperative series) A complete series with a great female marine biologist on near-future Earth who becomes involved in a search for information on an ancient alien species that nearly destroyed all life in the galaxy. Also somewhat hard to find due due to its age.

[–]Good_cat 0 points1 point ago

I think Fire Upon the Deep is pretty good. Has two female roles (one being a child) but besides that it has strong female characters.

[–]davdat 0 points1 point ago

There is a great list here:

Formidable Female Protagonists in Science Fiction

It includes both fantasy and Science Fiction characters.

[–]fennekeg 0 points1 point ago

Beauty by Sheri S. Tepper. One of my favourites!