this post was submitted on 01 Mar 2010
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mismetti 98 points99 points 5 months ago[-]

I didn't check reddit this weekend. Is there a tl;dr about this whole situation anywhere? I need the basics, like who the hell is Saydrah and what happened.

Thanks.

camgnostic 290 points291 points 5 months ago[-]

Saydrah is a mod in several subreddits (including AMA and pics), and a fairly well-known user (80k karma, deep involvement in the mensrights/2xc drama). She was accused of posting links for money based on her CV and resume and an interview found by SirOblivious and posted to a thread that was ostensibly about theOatmeal. Reddit freaks the fuck out and internet hate machines her: her personal details are posted online, everything she's ever done or said is systematically downvoted, her family's information is posted online, etc. She responds poorly, calling 90% of reddit shitheads, and not dealing directly with the accusations, then disappears overnight. During this overnight interlude, dozens of submissions and thousands of comments appear calling her a liar and a thief and demanding she quit moderating or get run out of reddit because they are sure she is being paid to submit links and therefore has nothing of value to say. Reddit feels:

*betrayed (the assumption being that everything she ever said or did was a lie used only to get a better position to post her spam links - this part was never well established to me, as there is no connection (for me) between user-as-commenter and user-as-submitter, links are voted up or down on merit not user, but whatever)

*exploited - our utopian community had SPAM!?

*mistrustful - was she using her moderator powers for evil!? We have no evidence of such... but what if she was?!

*jealous - we all want to get paid to surf reddit, and hate her for (maybe) pulling it off.

Cut to this morning, Saydrah is unable to have a discussion with us about it because she's being downvoted every time she opens her mouth, and the people who are angry haven't found any more evidence, but are still demanding she quit, downvoting her response, and claiming they aren't a lynch mob or witch hunt.

anyletter 99 points100 points 5 months ago[-]

I'll continue to get paid to surf reddit up until my workplace bans the site.

mysticrudnin 52 points53 points 5 months ago[-]

This is an excellent description of what happened with very little bias. Nice.

camgnostic 26 points27 points 5 months ago[-]

Thanks. I feel like I do have a bias, but that's because I've been engaging with the louder members of each side a lot in the last 10 hours and being told that I'm pro-spam and anti-woman and a lot of other hurtful things, so I'm trying really hard not to let any bias show.

thunder_rob 62 points63 points 5 months ago[-]

I didn't check reddit this weekend.

What is wrong with you? Do you have one of those....what are they called....lives?

pluripotentcat 4 points5 points 5 months ago[-]

Camgnostic's summary is very good, and I'd advise anyone wondering what the hell is going on to read it. These links will also shed some light on where some hate is coming from-

Here is where this all started. SirOblivious is oblivious no more, apparently.

This is pretty much the follow up post, which is one of the 'witchhunty' ones. You can see its deleted, which Alecb (the original poster) did of his own accord after people started to post personal information.

This post here is one of the more damning bits of evidence of conflict of interest/potential abuse, depending on how true it turns out to be. You can see some of her responses to it somewhere else in this AMA.

Here we have Saydrah's submission to the twoXchromosomes subreddit where she calls reddit 90% shitheads and (sort of) appeals for support there. The community does not appear to have responded well.

Pretty sure these and this AMA should about do it. Personally I think she'll likely end up voluntarily stepping down. I doubt a reverse witchhunt (where people say they were for her the entire time and it was bad to prey on her this whole time) and restoration of her 'liked' status is likely given her inflammatory initial response and the evidence of the conflict of interest stuff. Cheers.

peblos 157 points158 points 5 months ago* [-]

I noticed that you have the Fantastic Voyager trophy shown on your profile. I also noticed that Associated Content was a corporate sponsor of that particular adventure.

Did you facilitate connecting reddit and Associated Content? How far did your involvement extend?

Thanks

tyzent 66 points67 points 5 months ago[-]

Psst: you have gotten your [] in your () and vice-versa.

draynen 78 points79 points 5 months ago* [-]

She pretty much, of her own volition, organized the entire trip.

Also, AC paid us to submit content to them about the trip (videos and articles). We were paid per submission, maybe $16 or something. Her role in that was convincing AC to pay us to write for them.

Shizzo 149 points150 points 5 months ago[-]

You guys got paid after I donated money for you to fly for free?

dickmove

Reductive 66 points67 points 5 months ago[-]

You donated money for some people to go on a vacation.

Amelo 245 points246 points 5 months ago* [-]

In regards to this recent page: http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/b7sse/saydrah_i_would_like_to_take_a_moment_to_give_you

How do you respond? If what robingallup states is true you gave him a pretty long winded speech against linking one's own blog with google ads. It seems rather trivial from his/her perspective so I am hoping you can shed some light and context on this. How is what you do different than what robingallup did?

AssholeDeluxe 291 points292 points 5 months ago[-]

I appreciate you coming on to answer questions. I realize it has been an absolute shitstorm the past few days, so it takes some bravery (even if it is just on the internet) to get online and do this AMA.

  • Why is it when the shit hit the fan, you didn't do this earlier? It appeared that instead of trying to explain yourself, you went to TwoXChromosomes and fished for sympathy. I've reserved judgment thus far, but that definitely reflected poorly on you trying to get women on your side and declaring Reddit "90% shitheads."

  • Do you think you should still be a moderator? I realize people have been calling for your head, and that's not why I'm here. I want to genuinely know your opinion on whether you think this is a conflict of interest. I read that the vast majority of your work does not concern Reddit, however I feel that a Mod working for a social media company (or whatever name you want to call it) is a dangerous precedent. Even if you have never abused your power, it still remains that other mods could abuse theirs, yet point to your employment as justification.

Also, thank you for your work as a Mod. I appreciate the work you put into Reddit, whether or not you make money on it.

frak_your_couch 110 points111 points 5 months ago[-]

PlatinumR 48 points49 points 5 months ago[-]

And the ugly is even more apparent.

Mugendai 25 points26 points 5 months ago[-]

and declaring Reddit "90% shitheads."

Although, in fairness, declaring that Reddit has gone downhill is hardly a unique point of view.

iigloo 180 points181 points 5 months ago[-]

Ehm, I'm just gonna reply here so it get's high enough. Guys... can you stop downvoting all of Saydrah's answers? I mean, that's why we're reading this, to see Saydrah answer herself...

norm_ 55 points56 points 5 months ago[-]

OMG WTF LOOK HERE

Read the above comment please

boomerangotan 99 points100 points 5 months ago[-]

Great, now I'm stuck in a loop.

JustATroll 60 points61 points 5 months ago[-]

Why is it when the shit hit the fan, you didn't do this earlier?

She got to work this morning and they told her to take care of this. This started over the weekend.

TheUltimateDouche 208 points209 points 5 months ago[-]

GIVE IT TO ME STRAIGHT. AM I AMONGST THE 90% SHITHEADS YOU CLAIMED REDDIT IS COMPOSED OF?

monoglot 20 points21 points 5 months ago[-]

How much would it suck for you if you weren't?

hiS_oWn 5 points6 points 5 months ago[-]

How much would it suck for reddit if he wasn't?

STEVE_H0LT 27 points28 points 5 months ago[-]

You are unique, no worries. You simultaneously become theUltimateDouche and make me laugh at every submission you post. :)

SicSemperTyrannis 39 points40 points 5 months ago[-]

STEVE HOLT!

STEVE_H0LT 51 points52 points 5 months ago[-]

\o/

Eszed 8 points9 points 5 months ago[-]

98th percentile, no problem.

applextrent 54 points55 points 5 months ago* [-]

You completely side stepped many issues that the community took issue with.

1) Why would you promote that you a Redditor Moderator on your LinkedIn profile as a means to gain employment?

2) You have written several articles about how obeying terms of use, and "authentic" contributions to social media sites yet you assumed multiple identities to facilitate your tactics on Reddit and elsewhere. For example, you provided a fake name to the DenverPost. While I understand the need for privacy, you have a public Twitter account under your real name with nearly 1,000 followers, as well as your LinkedIn profile, plus considerable other content under your real name. You have already willfully given said information yourself, making it an invalid argument. Why the lack of transparency and multiple names if you weren't trying to hide what you do for a living?

3) On the issue of terms of use, while Reddit does allow self promotion, there is nothing in Reddiquette or ToS that states you are allowed to promote content you have been paid to submit whether the payment was indirect or direct (eg: If you work for company X as a marketing person and it is your job to drive traffic to company X's website and then you submit their content to Reddit, even if they didn't specifically ask you to submit to Reddit, you still got paid to do it). What makes you feel you are exempt from this?

4) Given the conflict of interests that have been presented, why do you feel you should be able to remain a moderator?

5) Do you realize the perceived abuse of power, whether justified or not, is resulting in community backlash that is making Reddit users reconsider visiting this site? Why do you feel you should remain in a position of authority to the determent of a multimillion user community?

catcher6250 71 points72 points 5 months ago[-]

What is AC?

johnleemk 62 points63 points 5 months ago[-]

Associated Content.

topalov 29 points30 points 5 months ago[-]

Associated Content (AC) is an online publisher and distributor of original content. Associated Content enables anyone to publish their content on any topic, pays them for their work, and distributes that content through its website and content partners.

boomerangotan 60 points61 points 5 months ago* [-]

Content Farming is the newest way to spam (flooding crap for profit) on the internet.

AC is a content farm.

Here's how it works:

  • Find hot or niche topics that people are searching on.
  • Pay amateur writers a few dollars to write something/anything on that topic.
  • Post this cheap content to your website along with ads.
  • Implement SEO tactics to maximize search rankings.
  • Repeat hundreds/thousands of times per day.
  • Profit!

In the long term, we will wind up with so many of these "fast food quality" articles written by amateurs that we will have a hard time finding useful content when we need to look something up. This has already been going on for a few years.

Remember how about.com used to come up with useless articles for almost any topic you were searching on? They were one of the first companies to implement this strategy. Now they have hordes of copycats who are upping the ante with their SEO experience.

If this keeps up, search results will start to look like your unfiltered email inbox. Hopefully, Google and other search engines will find good heuristics to identify this crap and keep it ranked low in your search results.

firearoundthebrim 4 points5 points 4 months ago[-]

As someone who briefly wrote a few articles like this (not for AC, but a similar smaller outfit) when I was first starting out as a writer after I got laid off from my regular editing job, I can attest that this is all true and horrible. I quit after writing about 40 articles and getting paid hardly anything to do so, then having the ever loving shit edited out of them by what can only be described as editors who were actually chimpanzees with typewriters (sorry to any chimpanzees who might be offended by this).

I've been watching all this drama unfold and just wanted to say that anyone who has inside experience working for AC or anywhere similar has to know that this is the kind of useless information and bullshit that HURTS the internet greatly. Yes, you're making a living, but it's just wrong. When I wrote those articles, it actually weighed on my conscience because I knew they were bullshit. I tried my best and wrote as well as I could, but that didn't make me feel better about it.

No one finds this content that useful, if at all - in my opinion, at least. It's not entertaining, it's not credible, and it pushes aside the really good and interesting gems to be found. If I were still writing and working with that company, I don't think I'd be able to sleep at night.

ConwayPA 51 points52 points 5 months ago[-]

A Cat

jpdemers 17 points18 points 5 months ago[-]

Is Fine Too.

TundraWolf_ 12 points13 points 5 months ago[-]

Armor Class. The lower the better (2nd gen rules) :)

Synth3t1c 88 points89 points 5 months ago* [-]

Are you lying on your resume or just lying to us?

Identify and promote Associated Content's top content and Contributors on third party content-sharing sites and blogs

edit: removed your possibly personal information since everyone who posts this link seems to disappear but this is from your resume. you know where I got it.

anonytroll 75 points76 points 5 months ago[-]

She's playing semantics. She probably does not get paid per link, so she's technically correct. But part of her job, per her CV, is to promote AC content on social media. So her argument that she's not compensated for posting AC links here is fallacious. This AMA is nothing more than damage control- an attempt to salvage two years worth of work.

Synth3t1c 23 points24 points 5 months ago[-]

And terrible at that.

sloppy_wade 8 points9 points 5 months ago[-]

Actually, she might be winning. No press is bad press, right? Before the front page was murdered by all this drama I had no idea what an AC or Saydrah was. Now I'm aware. Now I'm clicking on things.

[deleted] 8 points9 points 5 months ago* [-]

Fortunately for her, she's got a throng of people on her side shouting "witchhut!!!" "lynchmob!!!" putting a ridiculous spin on the issue.

Historically, a witchhunt is an event in which delusional, fundamentalist, nutjobs go in search of witches, completely succumb to the confirmation bias, denounce women as witches despite a total lack of evidence, and then burn them at the stake or drown them at what have you.

By invoking that epithet, they are putting an enormously unfair spin on the issue and attempting to make us look as if we were utterly devoid of reason or sense.

No. What has happened is that a good deal of evidence of spamming came to us and we called for moderator status to be removed. How is that irrational? (Some rather unsavory characters decided to harass her in meat space, but one would be wise not to conflate all of Saydrah's opponents as one mass of irrational, mean-spirited douches; those people were in the minority.)

Their technique of argumentation rests entirely upon appeals to ridicule, ad hominem, and other fallacies, remarking about how "disappointed they are in Reddit for their lynchmob behaviour"; they have made no effort at explaining away this conflict of interest and all the pieces of evidence against Saydrah, preferring to simply attack her opposition.

cloondog 227 points228 points 5 months ago[-]

One, Two, Three, Four, Five, Six, Seven, Eight.

Eight posts in the last 10 days to content hosted by Associated Content, your employer. Eight posts in the last 10 days to the company that pays you to be a "Content Promoter and Recruiter." You have a job that pays you to be a Content Promoter. You are promoting that content to reddit. How can you honestly sit here with a straight face and claim that you have never been paid to submit any link to reddit?

junkit33 62 points63 points 5 months ago[-]

This is precisely what boggles my mind about anybody still defending her. I get it that she's in lala land and somehow doesn't believe those are links are bonafide paid for spam. But there are 8 perfect recent examples of her spamming content from her company and there are still independent parties turning their heads to it.

bostonvaulter 50 points51 points 5 months ago[-]

It is important to note that she does not mod in any of those subreddits.

cdnforces 34 points35 points 5 months ago[-]

So it's just 'authentic participation'?

apeman5291 25 points26 points 5 months ago[-]

One question: do you think her submissions benefit the reddit community? I think they're pretty interesting links, and so do a lot of people. Why does it matter why she posted them? Don't like it, downvote it. That simple. That's the magic of a social news aggregate.

Leprecon 21 points22 points 5 months ago[-]

Are you suggesting someone is paying her full time for less than one link submission per day ? You read that right, submission, not front page story, a simple submission (which as you can see yourself, does not guarantee a front page story)

If I was her boss who hired her to promote my sites content, I would have fired her in less than a week.

datakeep 44 points45 points 5 months ago[-]

Harrassed your family..?

a_redditor 24 points25 points 5 months ago* [-]

Okay, I've got a couple of questions. First off I'd like to thank you for actually doing an AMA. I really didn't think that was gonna happen.

It seems like people on both sides of the argument are being extremely vague. I still don't really know exactly what's going on. I watched this entire video and it sounds like you use reddit, among other sites, to promote content for other people (companies). You even talk about the fine line between spam and actual useful content. Is it possible that you simply have a different opinion on where that line is? As far as I'm concerned, submissions to reddit should either be something you found, on your own, that you thought was cool, interesting, useful or whatever, or it should be something that you created that you think other people would like to check out (ala Oatmeal). That's how social news sites are supposed to work, no? So when we get people in here posting stuff for other reasons, it fucks everything up and makes the content shittier overall.

I just find it hard to believe that there are people who scour the web all day long and find good, useful content to post to reddit in huge quantities. People keep reposting that image of you posting link after link with 1 or 2 minutes in between. How does that happen? Do you save a bunch of links and just post them all at once? It just seems suspicious.

Are there actually people harassing you and your family? I thought redditors had more respect and sense than that. I have long been a voice in the "WTF, reddit is becoming 4chan+" movement, but I didn't think it was getting that bad.

If it's not asking too much, can you overview exactly what your occupation is, and how, if at all, it relates to reddit? I know you've said stuff about it, but it all seems to be very vague and filled with buzzwords. I don't want to hear about synergy, I want to know what you do. What's an average day at your job?

You were quoted as once saying that 90% of all redditors are..."shitheads", if I'm reading this correctly. Would you like to go into detail? What constitutes a shithead? Is this a recent trend? Where were we as far as shithead ratio one year ago? Two years ago?

My account may say it's only a year old, but I assure you I've been a redditor much longer than that (no pun intended). When I first started using reddit, there was no talk of SEO controversy and rampant spamminess. It was generally a peaceful place. What happened? Is this simply a result of the site's growing popularity? Do companies think that reddit is a successful medium for marketing? Is reddit a successful medium for marketing? Do you believe that there are people who get paid to post links to reddit? Are there spam rings on reddit?

Sorry for all the questions. And I apologize, even though I wasn't involved, for the people who harassed you and/or your family. I didn't think reddit had gotten that bad.

EDIT: When she does get around to answering these, please don't everyone downmod her responses. Obviously that doesn't add to the discussion, and it just makes it inconvenient to people who are trying to see her responses.

Saydrah [S] 27 points28 points 5 months ago* [-]

Okay, responding now:

You even talk about the fine line between spam and actual useful content. Is it possible that you simply have a different opinion on where that line is?

That could be. It also could be that people are cherry-picking a 35-minute video for things that sound bad out of context. I've seen people say there's nothing wrong with the video in this thread and get a lot of upvotes for it, and I've seen people slam it in this thread and get a lot of upvotes. It seems that opinions widely vary. I think that I am right to say that there is nothing wrong with internet marketing if you don't break rules, contribute more than you take away, etc. I could be wrong. It's an evolving field and mine is one opinion in it.

How does that happen? Do you save a bunch of links and just post them all at once? It just seems suspicious.

Yeah, basically, but I'm not going to do that anymore. I hadn't been aware it bothered people so much. I find links all over the place throughout the course of my day. Things I see on Twitter, things I find through StumbleUpon, sources listed on AC posts that I click through to, news sites I read daily, etc. I tended in the past to save up a few tabs of cool stuff and submit it when I had a moment to play with Reddit. I'll spread it out more in the future.

Are there actually people harassing you and your family?

Yes. It could be worse, sure, but I'm really sick of it as it is. I don't know how long this will go on or how far they'll take it.

If it's not asking too much, can you overview exactly what your occupation is, and how, if at all, it relates to reddit? I know you've said stuff about it, but it all seems to be very vague and filled with buzzwords. I don't want to hear about synergy, I want to know what you do. What's an average day at your job?

I wrote a detailed comment somewhere in this thread answering exactly the "average day at my job" question, and I can't find it now--it seems to have been grabbed by the downvoters and I don't know which "load more comments" link it's behind. I'll try to find it for you from my profile and I'll link it here if I can. For now, skipping this one because that's a lot of writing to do over if I don't have to.

Found it!

Would you like to go into detail?

Okay, half a million people or so visit Reddit in a day. Of those, a vast majority are just browsing and never make an account. Of those who do make accounts, there are nowadays a huge number of spammers, trolls, Digg migrants, 4chan migrants and the like. It's worst in the biggest subreddits, like r/reddit.com and r/politics. I think probably one in 10 reddit accounts is one that contributes relevantly on a consistent basis and has a positive impact on the community. Fortunately those one in ten also tend to be highly active, so they balance out the people who come here, be shitheads, and get bored after a week.

What constitutes a shithead?

Trolls, spammers, people who just spew memes and nothing else (with the exception of a very few clever novelty accounts), people who are just here to push a political or religious agenda, people who think it's okay to harass people outside the Internet...

Where were we as far as shithead ratio one year ago? Two years ago?

Hard to give exact numbers, but Reddit is growing exponentially. Any major subreddit's traffic graph (mods can see them, ask for a screenshot or data for your favorite subreddit if you're curious) will tell you that. You need only to look at YouTube to know that the lowest common denominator online is woefully common and extremely shitheaded. I think there are many more of those people here than there were two years ago.

But every cloud has a silver lining. I also see a much wider range of opinions here than I did when I first started, and more dialogue between opposing "sides" than there once was. This is a positive.

What happened? Is this simply a result of the site's growing popularity?

I think so. The more people show up, the more the intellectual elite who started reddit get diluted.

Do companies think that reddit is a successful medium for marketing?

Yes. It's very hard to convince them otherwise.

Is reddit a successful medium for marketing?

For the most part, no. Soapier and that hot sauce guy are exceptions, but if a mainstream corporation is looking for a good ROI on marketing, hiring people to submit to Reddit isn't it.

Do you believe that there are people who get paid to post links to reddit?

Yes. I've seen job ads for that, and I've had people offer me freelance writing work conditional upon posting to Reddit. I have no doubt that there are submissions on the front page of at least one top 10 subreddit that were paid for on a piecework or traffic bonus basis.

Are there spam rings on reddit?

Absolutely. The mods catch a new one every month or so.

Sorry for all the questions. And I apologize, even though I wasn't involved, for the people who harassed you and/or your family. I didn't think reddit had gotten that bad.

I appreciate that.

jedberg [A] 52 points53 points 5 months ago[-]

In fact, the only part of this that really disappoints me is that the admins haven't spoken up even to prevent people from harassing me in real life, much less to make clear that they've always known exactly where I work and what I do and had no problem with it.

I believe we addressed this in our blog post, but in short, we didn't see it, because no one told us about it.

voltagex 6 points7 points 5 months ago[-]

Jedberg, when you've got a moment I'd like to discuss some ideas about this.

jedberg 9 points10 points 5 months ago[-]

Umm, go ahead and post your ideas here.

voltagex 17 points18 points 5 months ago[-]

OK.

  • Reddit community as a whole needs to deal with the whole Internet Detective thing we have going on. Between this and the "dog fell off a bridge" saga we've seen how it can get out of hand.

  • Reddit can be easily stirred up by a very well worded post with some information, basically dragging an entire community into what was a stoush between two Redditors. I'm not sure how anyone can deal with that, but it definitely wrecked Reddit for a couple of days.

  • Some people take Reddit far too seriously.

  • My ideas/comments sounded better in my head

guitarromantic 7 points8 points 4 months ago[-]

If you've got any idea of how to fix #1-#3, maybe you should work in politics.

Uncoolio 109 points110 points 5 months ago[-]

I know some of you would like me to try to Reddit while driving and crash and die.

Saying shit like this is the main thing that bothers me. Passive-aggressive appeals for sympathy are manipulative, and the core issue of this whole thing is that people feel manipulated. Between this, the 90 shitheads line, and the 4chan accusations, do you not see how the members of the community could feel insulted?

oditogre 18 points19 points 5 months ago[-]

In fairness, if people are harassing her family, I'd say the 4chan accusations are well-deserved.

I've been a user here for over quite a long time, and I'd be pretty disappointed, too, to learn that Reddit has went down that road of anonymous internet vigilantism, especially against totally innocent people who just happen to be linked to the accused.

Uncoolio 20 points21 points 5 months ago[-]

if people are harassing her family

That's what I've been trying to determine (see posts below). I've searched the entire post numerous times and can't find any place where she details the harassment. The only thing I know of is the posting of personal info, which is quickly reported by many more people than are posting it.

But quite frankly, it's beginning to seem like she's making up the claims of offline harassment to garner sympathy. If she's really getting death threats, as she claims at one point, I find it hard to believe the police wouldn't get involved.

If I'm wrong, I'll loudly and publicly apologize. But I don't like slandering an entire community, saying we're becoming 4chan vigilantes, when there's no evidence that's going on. Especially when she claims that the admins "tacitly allow" offline harassment.

locriology 45 points46 points 5 months ago[-]

I love how everyone begs for you to do an AMA, then downvotes all your comments so no one can see your answers.

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[deleted] 98 points99 points 5 months ago[-]

Do you think you have done anything wrong whatsoever?

fableforge 399 points400 points 5 months ago* [-]

Well, you work for AC.

You're a moderator in reddit.

You submit AC content to reddit.

Do you see a conflict of interest?

EDIT: For what is worth, Saydrah's reply below is good enough for me. I still think these kind of things should be disclosed rather than found out, but other than that I definitely don't think Saydrah deserves the beating she's getting right now. I for one, I'm calling it "lol internets" and getting back to Mass Effect 2. Good luck Saydrah.

sheerheartattack 402 points403 points 5 months ago[-]

I don't think that she understands what a conflict of interest is, and nor do many others, so allow me to impartially explain. A conflict of interest has nothing to do with whether a person abuses her power, or takes advantage of her position. It only requires that the abuse of power, or even the appearance of an abuse of power, is within the realm of possibility. Therefore, if Saydrah is in a position whereby it is feasible that she could exploit her position, then there exists a conflict of interest. The end.

murderous_rage 133 points134 points 5 months ago[-]

I sincerely can't understand why people are not seeing this. I don't care what she did or didn't actually do.

shaze 68 points69 points 5 months ago[-]

Also, why hang around and pander to a community full of shit-heads?

murderous_rage 55 points56 points 5 months ago[-]

That too. The martyr act isn't helping my opinion of the situation.

bureaucrat_36 11 points12 points 5 months ago[-]

^this^ Her dual roles create a conflict of interest, end of story. She can be a Reddit user, and a writer for AC, that's fine. But she's running other online entrepreneurs out of town, while promoting her own things for money. This is not okay.

BoonTobias 40 points41 points 5 months ago[-]

ENEMY AC130 IS IN THE AIR!

strncmp 31 points32 points 5 months ago[-]

Yeah but it can't see people who are coldblooded.

BoonTobias 10 points11 points 5 months ago[-]

I'd be scared to get danger close to her.

guitarromantic 181 points182 points 5 months ago[-]

It kinda bummed me out to see you describe yourself on digg as a 'reddit power user'. I didn't even know we had those :( that was why I left digg. Do you really consider yourself thus? What does it even mean in the context of reddit?

wcalvert 105 points106 points 5 months ago[-]

Are you kidding? Do you know who karmanaut is? Or qgyh2? Or even P-dub? Just like any community of people, some stand out because they are very active or any sorts of reason. They are power users only in that they are recognizable. I don't think our decadent bourgeoisie group is nearly as large/powerful as on Digg.

BoonTobias 135 points136 points 5 months ago[-]

P-Dub hasn't been active ever since he bought himself an ATV

SolInvictus 79 points80 points 5 months ago[-]

He's not letting that $7000 go to waste.

Trollforaday 20 points21 points 5 months ago[-]

Throughout this entire thing, I keep wanting to make a joke about you, but, I felt that it'd bring negative attention to you, so I didn't. Just know that when discussing someone making money while being an active community member your name came to mind.

But /r/gaming/ still loves you.

Shambles 43 points44 points 5 months ago[-]

Now he'll never get his homework done.

anriar 10 points11 points 5 months ago[-]

He hasn't been active because his school cut off his internet access for piracy.

Proof

Jezkah 19 points20 points 5 months ago[-]

Seriously? Is that where the donations went?

rightc0ast 15 points16 points 5 months ago* [-]

AFAIK, some guy made a post pointing out his discussions on his new PSP and games, his new ATV, and that he said the money was deposited in his mom's account and he (the 18 year old kid in the family mind you) has full access to his parent's accounts and pays their bills or whatever ... and then posted elsewhere contradictory versions of that (Well, I kept the money, but paid the bills from my own account).

I have no links, and stumbled across it because it was high up on /r/all one day or something, since I don't belong to the main subreddits and just hit /r/all once in a while.

Maybe someone else knows, but as someone who gave no money to him, has no interest or care, and kind of remembers what BoonTobias is talking about I figured I'd answer for you since no one else did.

violentacrez 72 points73 points 5 months ago[-]

Nor is it supported by the code. Any power a "power user" has on Reddit comes from other redditors.

willis77 60 points61 points 5 months ago[-]

Woah, it's VA. This dude is Reddit famous. UPVOTED.

violentacrez 19 points20 points 5 months ago[-]

Hey, I'm no clone of Bruce Willis, that's for sure!

NotoriousFNG 11 points12 points 5 months ago[-]

You're like the Larry Flint of reddit.

violentacrez 9 points10 points 5 months ago[-]

Back in the day, bobcat once called me the qgyh2 of PORN.

saywhaaaat 113 points114 points 5 months ago[-]

Do you honestly think that 90% of redditors are shit heads? Because (sometimes) I kinda do...

Dvorac 40 points41 points 5 months ago[-]

I think we all do sometimes.

greenplasticman2002 39 points40 points 5 months ago[-]

Actually I think 10% are shitheads. Maybe it's because I'm part of the 90%.

Imez 11 points12 points 5 months ago[-]

THE STORY

Hello Saydrah

I've been looking at this mess for awhile and I still am not sure I get it. I think a lot don't get it, including a portion of the people who despise you.

So, I want to reword the whole story, so I can understand it. And ask you (and your dissenters) to fix what I've got wrong.

So.

You work for Associated Content, which makes money when people click on their links. Your job there is to go into online communities and understand the best way to get people to click on AC links.

Redditors believe the only reason you are a Reditor is to link back to AC. So redditors at first think you're a nice girl with smart advice, but then it turns out they think you're a shill and your advice was insincere..like "I'm sorry you're mom died...come have dinner at my house...good dinner? Hey have you ever heard of AMWAY products?"

But you say that you were not just being nice to get make us go to AC links, (even though some paper trail stuff says you...says what?

I guess my question would be...your AC links are not meant to make us go there, and making us go there is not your job description? You're just a regular redditor who happens to work for AC? You don't get paid for putting down those links? But everyone thinks you do. Do you?

Are you using the trust of redditors to make money? Are you lying to them in any way? (please only a one sentence answer to these...I get lost in the hurricane of words.)

I'm really confused.

ps...in your 2xc post...you said something about trying to do the right thing? What did you mean there?

pps does an AC writer make more than $15 an article?

infinitysnake 23 points24 points 5 months ago* [-]

Are you Petlvr? I'm curious because I've reported this one several times for spam and I notice this account links to your blog posts on Disaboom, as well as Petlvr.com, battlingforhealth.com etc. You write for at least one of those, too.

There's also significant overlap between your account and the other three accounts spamming that family of websites. Why is this?

Actually, the more I dig into this, the more you seem a one-woman empire of spam.

Turtles_Everywhere 4 points5 points 5 months ago[-]

Could you share some links on that? And if it turns out there's anything to what you're saying.. please bring it to the attention of an admin. I'm not sure what they're reading anymore because this has exploded across so many threads.. and it's important if something like this were happening - they be made aware of it.

infinitysnake 12 points13 points 4 months ago[-]

I'm trying to work it out- it's spread over several usernames, and it looks like your basic spam-ring, and Saydrah is clearly involved to some extent.

Saydrah writes for and promotes a website called petlvr.com, which has at least a half dozen socks promoting it on reddit, and promoting other sites with the same owner (battlingforhealth, petlvr, .callhart, andyouwill) They also promote material by Saydrah and a handful of other spammers (more about them later). Saydrah promotes these sites too, and the ones that display likes in their profiles show they all vote up posts by the other accounts.

There's clearly some hinky shit going on. Saydrah was pretty active on reportthespammers, and I know some of these accounts/sites were reported there. I have to wonder now if her participation there was for other reasons.

The main ones are Petlvr, HARTempire, omniblogs. If you drill down on their favorite domains, you'll see occasional cross-promo to a handful of marketing/seo blogs and some interesting relationships.

The Petlvr blog is here:

http://www.petlvr.com/blog/author/jelena/

Petlvr likes spam, spam, spam, and saydrah:

http://www.reddit.com/user/PetLvr/liked/

Turtles_Everywhere 5 points6 points 4 months ago[-]

Have any mods or admins responded to what you've brought up here?

Jimeee 98 points99 points 5 months ago[-]

Be honest - did you post on TwoXChromosomes about this thinking you might get support from other women?

JamEaterBlues 26 points27 points 5 months ago* [-]

Just wanted to say that I am a very active XXer, and if I had a problem, I would go to XX first because I consider those users my "best friends" on reddit. I don't really see why Saydrah is getting so much shit for going to who she probably considers her favorite people when in distress. We help each other with everything.

UsernameUnknown 10 points11 points 5 months ago[-]

Yeah I was actually shocked at the reaction of XX.

I've been pretty active there since I stumbled onto it. I've seen us support each other through all sorts of non 2XC specific issues.

Pre all this I could have very easily seen myself doing a similar thing in her situation.

JamEaterBlues 14 points15 points 5 months ago[-]

I imagine that after the fiasco, most of those replies were linked in from other places. I'v never seen the girls (and guys) at XX get that rude and aggressive. I imagine that a few of them were involved, but it seemed to me that the comments started pouring in from users that were non active in XX.

voltagex 6 points7 points 5 months ago[-]

This is the most logical answer. It's really sad to see a subreddit get stirred up like that.

DivineJustice 24 points25 points 5 months ago[-]

I have reviewed the evidence of what you have done and have seen the disgusting sight of the faces carefully stripped off the skulls of your victims after you murder them, and hung on your basement wall. Any normal person in society would find this absolutely revolting. Do you have any remorse for the deaths you've caused?

Starcast 624 points625 points 5 months ago[-]

I just wanted to let you know, and I may be alone in this, but I really don't care about any of this. And I mean that in the nicest way possible.

Cheers

logrusmage 53 points54 points 5 months ago[-]

I'm with this dude. Who gives a flying fuck?

wabbitsdo 29 points30 points 5 months ago[-]

I would probably be with him too, if I had the slightest idea what anyone on here is talking about.

Jellybagel 20 points21 points 5 months ago[-]

It's super serious internet business.

Get it together!

repoman 180 points181 points 5 months ago[-]

Starcast is obviously a Saydrah sockpuppet... both names start with "S" and contain no vowels other than "a". Coincidence? Highly doubtful.

violentacrez 148 points149 points 5 months ago[-]

I'm certainly no Saydrah sockpuppet, and I find the publishing of her personal information deplorable. I also could give a rat's ass about how she acts on the site; if the admins are OK with it, then I'm ok with it. I don't care for her brand of advice, so I stay out of the reddits where she gives it. I'm a firm believer in "if you don't like it, then just ignore it". I'm sure she doesn't care for my behaviour on Reddit either, yet she's adult enough not to give me shit about it. Reddit's a big enough place for everyone to get along and stay out of each other's way.

citricsquid 10 points11 points 5 months ago[-]

Just look at this reply! I think you're right repoman!

violentacrez 10 points11 points 5 months ago[-]

By the way, you are now 4 months behind on your liver payments.

sheerheartattack 12 points13 points 5 months ago[-]

I agree. Then again, you don't have to care about the Super Bowl to find it to be highly entertaining.

sts25 9 points10 points 5 months ago[-]

Neither do I. Reddit really needs to stop indulging in this ridiculous dramafest.

emmster 10 points11 points 5 months ago[-]

Yeah, time to drop the whole thing. If the admins are aware of the situation, and don't care, well, neither do I.

stoicsmile 249 points250 points 5 months ago[-]

Are you going to step down as a mod?

easytiger 40 points41 points 5 months ago[-]

This is turning into the UK Iraq inquiry.

makeinstall 50 points51 points 5 months ago[-]

"If you're going to have a police state then you could at least organise it a bit better"

sileegranny 8 points9 points 5 months ago[-]

It seems like the major concern your detractors is that they are vulnerable to moderators developing a personal agenda.

So regardless of what you did or didn't do, do you think it's a conflict of interest for a moderator to be paid to submit links to reddit? What should be done, if anything, if a moderator is found to be doing so?

commandermeow 828 points829 points 5 months ago[-]

Can we move on now?

Jimeee 288 points289 points 5 months ago[-]

THIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS.

norsurfit 198 points199 points 5 months ago[-]

We need to let this go. Everything is out in the open. There is no need to continue to beat this dead horse. To the extent that Saydrah was duplicitous (of which I am still uncertain at this point), she has borne her share of public shaming.

To the extent Saydrah and her family have been harassed in the real world, this is unacceptable, and I feel terribly that this has happened. Whatever she did, she certainly didn't harass other Redditors and their families.

Sykotik 26 points27 points 5 months ago[-]

I'm tired of the Olympics and The Saydrah Show, what else is on?

skeeterou 46 points47 points 5 months ago[-]

What exactly has been done in terms of harassment IRL? Haven't heard anything.

anonlawstudent 133 points134 points 5 months ago[-]

In one of the other threads (like this one, for example), people were posting names and phone numbers of her mom and dad. One of the comments there was 10 or 15 minutes old before I reported it.

Of course, I'm not sure if anyone actually used those numbers, but even one call is one too many.

skeeterou 182 points183 points 5 months ago[-]

See, the family thing is wayyyy out of line.

Aikidi 18 points19 points 5 months ago[-]

Seriously "This girl gamed a system for link submission on a website I use in my spare time, lets fuck her shit up"

Really guys? Go outside. Ride a bike. Jog. Breathe. Get a fucking life.

TheRealBuzzLightyear 65 points66 points 5 months ago[-]

That's beyond fucked up. Reddit really crossed a line here.

Bubba-Booey 90 points91 points 5 months ago[-]

'Reddit' didn't cross anything. Some jackass crossed a line.

As far as I've seen that guy has been downvoted when he posted her info.

smpx 30 points31 points 5 months ago[-]

No, reddit did the right thing and downvvited the guy that did cross the line, and then the comments were deleted. If anything, reddit did the right thing.

BlackCloud1711 27 points28 points 5 months ago[-]

I don't imagine you would, but people have posted her personal information in a few of these threads. Whilst I believe she should step down from conflict of interest, I would hope that other redditors will report these postings instead of just downvoting them.

skeeterou 12 points13 points 5 months ago[-]

Her info was out there to begin with, it's the nature of the false feeling of anonymity of the interwebs. I bet within 5 or 6 google clicks, you could figure out my real name and where I live. First one to do so gets some bacon.

BlackCloud1711 18 points19 points 5 months ago* [-]

The best I could do was $name, about $age, Lives in $location and your picture.

But my real point was even if its available out there, not everyone who would ring up and harrass them would have looked up thier info to begin with.

EDITED to preserve Skeeterou's privacy.

skeeterou 15 points16 points 5 months ago[-]

Not bad. :) If I was a spammer, you'd definitely have a good jumping off point to harass me IRL. Thankfully, I'm just a normal redditor who alternates between lurking and commenting/submitting. And yes, I agree that the harassment is bullshit and there is absolutely no need for it. Reposting it just allows for the REAL dicks to show themselves.

mybrainfailsme 5 points6 points 5 months ago[-]

Mr Gordon. Manchester. Enjoys cider, recently favouring crabbies ginger beer over franks. Owns mame arcade cabinet as well as vast and multi-coloured range of socks.

klenow 32 points33 points 5 months ago[-]

Just downvote the AMA & anything else, it's how reddit works. Get this shit off the front page so we can get back to whatever it is we do here.

ranscot 15 points16 points 5 months ago[-]

I remember a Reddit, my friend, a Reddit that had a FP full of diverse content.

You could find out about science! math! pop culture! and more, oh my!

Now it's just a different metadrama every week, so fucking Dawson Creek it ain't funny.

I wish there was a "Classic" mode for Reddit, where the FP would be like it was back in the day, when everyone wasn't such a dramafag about serious internet business.

bostonvaulter 3 points4 points 5 months ago[-]

I think you need to try some new subreddits

camgnostic 55 points56 points 5 months ago[-]

Note to voters: if you just downvote the shit out of every response the submitter makes in an AMA, it becomes very difficult to read. Just saying. She has some 70k comment karma - you're not "punishing her" by taking a couple hundred away. You're just violating reddiquette and making it difficult to read (thus defeating the whole point of AMA). So knock it off?

Question: What took so long to respond?

cory849 41 points42 points 5 months ago[-]

Did you rape and murder Glen Beck in 1990?

ccommack 29 points30 points 5 months ago[-]

And if not, why not?

drtyfrnk 12 points13 points 5 months ago[-]

So, how did you come up with the name Saydrah?

Always like to know where usernames come from.

DivineJustice 21 points22 points 5 months ago[-]

What do you think was the main reason you were elected leader in Germany in 1934? Looking back at the war, what would you have done differently?

lanismycousin 2 points3 points 5 months ago[-]

She just wanted the trains to run on time

r2002 17 points18 points 5 months ago[-]

Saydrah, can you give a more detailed explanation about your job? Specifically, what is your complete job description? How did you get it? What are your specific duties? What do you do on a day to day basis? What are your hours like? How do you get paid? If you've been offered similar jobs before, what companies were offering them? I know you touched on this in your OP, but I would like to know the specifics. I want to know not because of this whole drama, but because it sounds like a really cool job!

wherearemyshoes 9 points10 points 4 months ago[-]

You downvoted and hid robingallup's picture proving he lived near the duck house. Could explain why you did this, rather than thanking him for the proof, and can you explain why he is still banned from r/pics (according to him) despite proving that he is no spammer but was linking to original content on his own website?

Starvard 13 points14 points 5 months ago[-]

At first, you said 90% of redditors are shitheads. I disagreed. Second, you did this AMA and got down voted on every damn thing you said. Slowly I am realizing you might be right...

DivineJustice 7 points8 points 5 months ago[-]

How close were you with Reddit? Did you ever have any fights or disagreements? Where were you on the night of Febuary 27th? Can you explain the bloody knife police found in your purse?

AbsoluteTruth 47 points48 points 5 months ago* [-]

I'm gonna go ahead and say this AMA is kind of retarded. Not because it's Saydrah, but because everyone is downvoting all of her replies anyways.

Guys, you wanted her to make an AMA, here it is. Don't be so childish.

EDIT: And in six minutes I get downvoted twice. I love this whole mob mentality thing.

Jellybagel 27 points28 points 5 months ago[-]

Hey guys, it might be helpful if you don't downvote the fuck out of Saydrah so people can actually see the answers.

[deleted] 115 points116 points 5 months ago[-]

You go on and on about your "contributions" to the community, but then here is this video of you talking about how you convert your status at Reddit into cash:

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/2168114

albinofrenchy 38 points39 points 5 months ago[-]

I watched that video. It bored me to tears. It basically backs up what saydrah has said; except now I can't help but wonder how one even gets paid for this kind of stuff.

davidjayhawk 55 points56 points 5 months ago* [-]

So far I'm about 9 minutes in to the video and she's advised how to submit content to social sites in a manner that adds value to the community, respects its rules, and avoids actual "spamming". Sounds like she's part of the solution to me.

I'm not addressing what may be a very valid point about a conflict of interest here, I'm just saying it seems like a lot of people are really going over the deep-end and turning this into an e-mob.

I'll of course continue watching to see what the rest of the video has to show.

Edit: Finished watching. Mostly more of the same promotion of responsible online practices.

toughpat 11 points12 points 5 months ago[-]

This is really really interesting. Thank you for posting this.

shatteredplaster 12 points13 points 4 months ago[-]

You're still trying to play the victim. I honestly had no opinion, one way or the other, about you until I read that post on 2XC. A sexist cry for pity.

In short, I have no pity for you. None of the readers, redditors or subredditors should have pity either. You dug a hole, a very modest one at that. It's time to get yourself out of it.

Solutions:
1.) Can the hypocrisy. Killing threads because they compete with your business, as you did with robingallup, is ridiculous. You're doing the same thing. When you tried to call him on a technicality, he laid down his full house against your pair of twos...so your response was to ban him. Uncool.

2.) Set aside your personal business. If you're going to be a moderator, your personal feelings should be irrelevant and you have to look at things objectively. From the comments that I've read from you, it seems that you are currently unable to do so without turning something into a personal crusade.

3.) Step down as a mod.

"That's really up to the people I moderate with. If I step down I might make more drama and more work for them."

That's nonsense. There were mods working before you and there will be mods after you're gone. To put this bluntly, you're not that important in the scheme of things. As a businessman, I can replace a worker if I know the replacement will work just as hard...if not harder.

"I don't really think that a campaign of offline harassment of a person and their family should be given any reward."

If your family is being harassed simply because you're a moderator...a place where you aren't being paid...why are you still here? Once again, you're playing the victim and trying to pull a pity card. With that said, you're allowing your family to become "victims" as well over things on the internet? Really? And you're not getting paid for it? Holy martyrdom, Batman!

In short, if you want to remain a mod...fine. Change the way you do things and I'm sure many people here will be satisfied. If not...go away. It's really that simple.

Yours truly,
1 of that 90%

Pander 41 points42 points 5 months ago[-]

1) If you were given the chance to meet any person, living or dead, who would it be and why?

2) Which ninja turtle is your favorite?

3) Boxers, briefs, panties or otherwise?

MRRoberts 10 points11 points 5 months ago[-]

THE PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW

misterhat 25 points26 points 5 months ago[-]

This may have been asked here or not already, I don't know or don't have the time.

But, at a minimum, do you understand why people are pissed?

Trollforaday 23 points24 points 5 months ago[-]

So, uh, I don't understand why people are pissed.

According to dozens of different mods they've never seen her do anything shady involving banning/unbanning things. According to her she doesn't submit spam (and viewing her submitted links backs that up rather aptly). According to the mods and her she bans spam (which is a glorious thing). The stuff she does professionally reduces spam on the internet, which I can entirely get behind. So, yes, she has power she could potentially abuse, but she hasn't. In my work I have a lot of potential power to abuse that'd make people suffer but line my pockets. I really don't see why people are focusing on something she could potentially do but hasn't in all of her years here.

So, can someone explain to me why her having the potential to misbehave is a hugely negative thing and outweighs all of the thoughtful and positive comments she posts (one of the best in /r/relationship_advice/), and the great pictures she posts in /r/aww/? She posts good content. If it is her job to post good things, then she is doing a good job, and I wish more people would submit good things and make the community a better place.

johnleemk 67 points68 points 5 months ago* [-]

Do you think it's right for you to simultaneously be a mod and a paid "social media consultant" who earns her keep by submitting content to the communities she mods?

I'm not trying to ask a leading question -- I've mostly avoided the dispute so far. I'm genuinely curious to see what you'll say, because at the very least there's an appearance of conflict of interest.

Edit:

Sorry, misread your post. Make that a social media consultant who earns her keep by moderating communities which her employers/their associates submit content to.

mthmchris 17 points18 points 5 months ago[-]

What kind of "personal attacks" have you been a target of? What kind of "personal information" has been revealed of you?

I'm sorry but, I just don't get it. The poster that "outed" you linked your real name (which was out there on the internet), your linkedin page (again on the internet) and some original content that you wrote (again on the internet).

I have nothing to hide: my real name in Chris Thomas. Here's my linkedin profile. Here's some original work I wrote.

topalov 5 points6 points 5 months ago[-]

Above in the thread it says that phone numbers of her family were posted in another submission, but removed after about 15 min.

iBleeedorange 12 points13 points 5 months ago[-]

Why did you post in 2x chromos saying that 90% of reddit aere shithead(I'm paraphrasing I think)

Have you ever deleted another post to get your own post higher or get more votes etc.

I just wanted to say that you put a lot of effort into your posts in the 'small' subreddits that you moderate. Of course some times they come off a little on the womans side, but w.e its your advice you are giving to others.

Lastly redditors stop fucking downvoting her responses, just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean we don't want to see it.

I personally don't care if you get paid to submit links, I'm 100 % sure there are others who do this. All I ask is that you don't abuse your moderator powers. And with the changes that have been mentioned by klienbloo and capt obv. (I can't spell them, shitty lag on my droid) the admins can make it so mods can moderate themselves.

AdmiralDave 9 points10 points 5 months ago[-]

If you could spend a day as any kind of animal, what would it be?

rilo 10 points11 points 5 months ago[-]

but if it were my decision I'd stay; I don't really think that a campaign of offline harassment of a person and their family should be given any reward.

That's a passive-agressive statement. You should let your decision weigh on wether you think you can combine moderatorship on reddit with AC without a conflict of interest, not to spite some users that have been harassing you.

arcandor 8 points9 points 5 months ago[-]

</drama>

imcguyver 22 points23 points 5 months ago[-]

I just got wind of this today. You are employeed by AssociatedContent.com and you have a Link Karma of ~80,000. And you're being accused of gaming Reddit. Plenty of examples exist where you submitted links that go AssociatedContent.com or to content copywrited by AssociatedContent.com. Given that there is a difference between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law, there is also a difference between how Reddit itself defines spam and a user of Reddit defines spam. How is submitting links to your employer not spam? If it's not spam then where is the threshold such that 10% of my links go to my employer or 100% of my links or is it somewhere in between?

notadick 5 points6 points 5 months ago[-]

So I'm not sure if this comment will get fished out from the seventeen hundred others, but I'm just hoping I've gotten this all straight in my head.

This weekend you were OMGSPAMMER and shit hit the fan. From what I've gathered from what you've said, instead what you do is help other companies or sites or individuals learn how to properly submit and profit off of sites such as reddit and its ilk. You work for AC and sometimes submit AC content that you find interesting since you browse their content regularly.

I guess I just don't understand how this is a problem. Or is it the initial misunderstanding that was really the problem?

Iguanaforhire 56 points57 points 5 months ago[-]

Two things: Frankly, I don't care if people are paid to submit links...if they're interesting, I upvote. If not, I ignore them.

Second, I have lurked around AR and RA a fair amount, and consistently find myself thinking, "That's a helpful and well-reasoned response! Oh, it's Saydrah again!" Whatever else people may say, I feel that you at least do try to contribute positively to this site.

...I guess I don't have a question, so I'll just leave my un-asked-for opinion here.

[deleted] 37 points38 points 5 months ago[-]

First, I have absolutely never been paid to submit

How do you explain all of your submissions from Associated Content?

umbrellicose 54 points55 points 5 months ago[-]

She explains in the wall o' text:

When I submit stuff from AC it's because I spend a lot of time on that site looking for gems among the crap, and when I find one I genuinely like I share it, uncompensated.

In other words, it's her job to read that stuff, and when she submits, it's because she found something she likes. Selection bias or something.

[deleted] 39 points40 points 5 months ago[-]

Given that bringing hits to them is her goddamn job, I fail to see how this doesn't fall under paid to submit. Maybe it is part of improving their image or something indirect (as in she wasn't ordered to give that exact link, but as long as it brings visitors...), but she sends them at such a high rate, something is up. Also she mentions contributing to sites to build trust for her SEO work, so in a way she was paid for EVERY link she has ever sent despite not directly.

peroke 40 points41 points 5 months ago[-]

Do you have a comment to make on this? You portray "spammers" in such a negative light that it seems to contradict what you say in this very submission:

I contact people who are spamming social media sites and fill them in on basics like, "Dude, read the terms of use. You're allowed to submit your own work, but not all the time, not just that, etc."

(...) People have accused me of "teaching people to hide their spam." If spam is "anything someone makes money from," okay, fine.

So, which is it? Ban them punk-ass bitches, or just tell them how to do it right?

killerstorm 16 points17 points 5 months ago[-]

Context:

I submitted some photos (MY OWN photos, mind you) to r/pics and had posted them on MY OWN blog. Due to the fact that there was a single Google ad on my blog, you had a goddamn fit and banned me from r/pics. I wrote you a very long, thoughtful, and undeservedly respectful series of replies, to which you sent me these messages.

WetSocks 51 points52 points 5 months ago[-]

Do you think people take the internet too seriously?

insomniaclyric 124 points125 points 5 months ago[-]

I'm not too sure what to think at this point, Saydrah, but that was well-written and honest, so thank you for posting it. The least we can do is hear you out, so I hope the questions in this AMA will be worthwhile and your answers genuine. I would hope the lynch mob takes their vitriol to one of the many other threads on this topic, and leaves this one to be a mature, open discussion between a community and one of its longstanding members. I have no questions but I'll be watching from the sidelines. Good luck to you.

alband 53 points54 points 5 months ago[-]

Man, this is like some ugly family feud. People take Reddit waaaay too seriously.

IgnatiousReilly 6 points7 points 5 months ago[-]

Take heart, at least you're providing dissertation material for aspiring social scientists.

calebroy 11 points12 points 5 months ago[-]

SO WHEN WILL YOU BE RETURNING TO GOLF?

oldtymelemonade 9 points10 points 5 months ago[-]

I'd like to first start out by saying that my theory that you and AnnArchist might be long-lost twins has been further supported by his defense of you yesterday (though he was defending you doing what you said you're not doing, so it gets more confusing that my tiny brain can handle). As to the "A" I'm going to "A," I have three questions:

First, qgyh2 wrote:

It does seem to be quite clear that she is involved in SEO / paid by other entities to submit content. As such, it is probably inappropriate for her to be a mod.

Is qgyh2 wrong on either, or both, counts?

Second, you write:

Here's what I do: I contact people who are spamming social media sites and fill them in on basics like, "Dude, read the terms of use. You're allowed to submit your own work, but not all the time, not just that, etc."

So it sounds like you help spammers to spam without appearing to be spamming. (Say that ten times fast!) The by-product of this is that the social media sites they are spamming actually benefit by receiving authentic contributions and real content. Am I understanding this correctly?

Third, as to removing yourself as a mod, you write:

I'm not making any unilateral decisions for a group.

But you are free to remove yourself if you want to. If they want to remove you, then there's nothing you can do about it. But if you want to remove yourself, how is that making decisions for them?

I've been a bit disillusioned by this whole fiasco, but I do hope that you continue to contribute to reddit, and I don't believe you've abused mod status or "power" (such as it is). I am thoroughly confused now, though.

Gadianton 184 points185 points 5 months ago[-]

I don't see what big deal is. The only question I have is for the reddit community. Has she contributed usefully to the community? I'd say she definitely has. I don't care if she makes a buck off of it. Frankly, I wish I could make some money off of my reddit addiction. People are always telling me to find your passion and make that your career. Well, it seems to me that Saydrah has succeeded, at least in part, in doing that, so kudos to her.

easytiger 175 points176 points 5 months ago[-]

excuse me, but you are ruining this lynching for us and i would appreciate it if you would step outside and let us about our business.

rkcr 52 points53 points 5 months ago[-]

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

Yserbius 19 points20 points 5 months ago[-]

I'm sorry, my torch just went out and I have a hard time reaching for my lighter with this pitchfork in my other hand. Would you be so kind as to oblige?

[deleted] 10 points11 points 5 months ago[-]

The admins are paid, right? The admins sell ad space on reddit, right? Let's have their heads, too!

Synth3t1c 17 points18 points 5 months ago[-]

Thank you for the bit of humor you brought into this thread.

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AssholeDeluxe 62 points63 points 5 months ago[-]

I think most of us would love to make money off Reddit if it was possible. However, the manner in which she did it was at least slightly deceitful. Many Redditors see this place as a vibrant, intellectual, and above all pure community (whether any that is correct is a separate isssue). We pool together money for Haiti, we do Secret Santas, and we are often united against deception and hate in the world.

When it was revealed Saydrah worked for a social media company, it felt like betrayal to many. That a mod, with quite a bit of clout, would willingly take money from a company with vested interest in Reddit. It feels treasonous to many of the diehard users. The rage isn't that she's making money, it's who it is from, and how it does or does not interfere with her role as a Mod.

triggerhippie 10 points11 points 5 months ago[-]

pure community.

Not to be a dick or anything, but this site is owned by Conde Nast, is it not? Despite the stripped-down appearance and down-home feel, this is part of a shiny, glazed empire too.

And as someone who is interested in the general ethics of the situation, but not necessarily the personal politics, I see a lot of rabblerage going on here, which is kind of ironic, as the bulk of users are recently added, per recent data. (Which numbers, of course, do include those of us on our third or fourth screennames.)

Reddit is a community, made up of sub-communities, but I think that we forget that somewhere, someone is making some money from our submissions and commentary, and that company would certainly have what could be called a vested interest in Reddit.

rightc0ast 36 points37 points 5 months ago* [-]

The big deal is she has been banning people who she sees as being in financial competition with her. Even regular users like you or I who dared to submit something from their own blog once or twice out of a few dozen submissions.

http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/b7sse/saydrah_i_would_like_to_take_a_moment_to_give_you/

annalovesbooks 21 points22 points 5 months ago[-]

Wow. lol

I don't care about karma. I don't spend much time posting comments, although I do spend a little time (very little time) reading them. I never complain about the way Reddit works, nor do I rant about how wonderful it is. I don't think I've ever submitted anything. I don't generally read anything that sounds remotely like "it's my sister's birthday" or "this is my kitten" and have never, until now, bothered to open any AMA thread. I'm not here to make friends or build a community. I come here for the same reasons I used to pick up a newspaper - to find interesting stories and read them.

When I deviate from my normal patterns, I remember why those patterns have developed. It's like a bunch of teenage girls have overrun the place - all the drama! Saydrah stuffs her bra with what? OMG! Hurry, tell everyone! And then harass the crap out of her, because we're teenage girls and that's normal for us! Yay!

Of course, no one's embarrassed about their behavior, everyone (except Saydrah, obviously) is justified in everything they do and say, because the pack has pretty much determined that it's okay. Not only does this all seem a little over the top but it's ridiculous that I - being here for one really simple thing - keep stumbling across more threads of it.

ZZZlist 26 points27 points 5 months ago[-]

Saydrah, not taking sides here, but this issue has caused a considerable amount of uproar within the Reddit community.

I love this place because, for the most part, the people here are intelligent, funny, and get along. But this whole issue has created a disturbance in the enegry of Reddit.

Do you think perhaps the best thing for you to do to calm the chaos would be for you to resign as a moderator?

ZZZlist 8 points9 points 5 months ago[-]

Saydrah can you answer my question?

Thanks!

illuminatedwax 3 points4 points 4 months ago[-]

who the fuck are you

amitch56 5 points6 points 5 months ago[-]

I've been in Reno for six weeks. Did I miss anything?

turinpt 4 points5 points 5 months ago[-]

Being a moderator on IAmA gives you access to the private details of verified accounts, have you ever sold any of these details to the highest bidder?
If the answer is no then: How can we be sure?

hicksw24 5 points6 points 5 months ago[-]

Huh? What did I miss? Who are you? Why do I want to Ask You Anything?

j3w3ly 28 points29 points 5 months ago[-]

horacio08 7 points8 points 5 months ago[-]

I think ppl are making this much more complicated than need be.

It's obvious that reddit would like Saydrah to resign her moderator positions. I am sure someone(s) could step in and do the job she does modding, there are millions of us.

I haven't seen one valid reason why she should be allowed to stay on. On the other hand there are plenty that would lead one to believe she should be stripped;

Ability to game the system by spamming. Her job is (spade a spade here) is to draw traffic. The banning of users for even toeing the line of spamming. among others.

What is the hold up here?

akkibaba 5 points6 points 4 months ago[-]

The hold up is that the moderators of the major subreddits are an inbred clique of internet friends who will not listen to the majority of users. They will protect their own no matter what.

berniebentablo 10 points11 points 5 months ago[-]

When you work for something like associated content, which has thousands of articles, there are likely to be some that you would like to share. I used to work for a newspaper, specifically the weekly entertainment publication / website.

One of the many, many things I had to do was promote our material through social networks like twitter, though I wasn't in the marketing department. I didn't get paid well, and the only things the newspaper was doing was pay cuts and laying off staff. Sharing a couple links made no difference.

I admit that I'm not much of a contributor here, but there were two articles that I found really interesting that I shared long ago. Didn't really think much of it. I was reading articles our journalists wrote all day and figured these stories wouldn't be seen here unless I shared them.

Sorry :(

RiotingPacifist 10 points11 points 5 months ago[-]

How come when a moderator is shown to be a racist, homophobic, power abusing prick nobody cared but when somebody makes a bit of cash by gaming the system there is an uproar?

tonynojutsu 7 points8 points 5 months ago[-]

Unless Saydrah killed a kitteh, I think releasing her personal info. was a bad move

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