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WhatIf a scientist with much of Issac Newton's ideas came into prominence during Augustus' reign? (self.HistoricalWhatIf)
submitted 3 months ago by Shruggerman
I probably am missing some drastic point regarding how Newton got his ideas, but ah well.
[–]Owen_Wilson 19 points20 points21 points 3 months ago
No way calculus is getting invented with Roman numerals.
[–]Shruggerman[S] 13 points14 points15 points 3 months ago
From what I understand, Newton made his own notations a lot of the time; and he might invent his own number system or adapt a system from somewhere else nearby if he found it necessary.
[–]Astrogator 9 points10 points11 points 3 months ago
To paraphrase him, he would be missing the giants on whose shoulders to stand on.
[–]intangible-tangerine 4 points5 points6 points 3 months ago
Isaac Newton himself said that he 'stood on the shoulders of giants' http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton if someone of Newton's brilliance had been around during Augustus' reign he still wouldn't have come up with the same ideas because the ground work hadn't been done.
[–]cedargrove 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago
Brahe's data -> Keplers laws -> Newtons Laws
Not that cut and dry but he did need their work and observations to move forward.
[–]Ibuffel 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago*
Many great thinkers of the Antiquity had ideas that would have been revolutionary in Medieval and Premodern Time. Perhaps not the best example, but Ptolemy already used maps featuring latitude and longitude. Ideas that where created in the Antiquity were far from stupid or retarded. Using latitude and longitude dissappeared from Medieval maps, they used a TOmap instead. I really doubt though that the ideas of Newton and lets say Galilei would revolutionize the Antiquity and its worldview. With the rise of Christianity the defining of how the world was created was more important for christian power over Europe then Roman power over Europe. When Galilei and other scientists like Newton attacked the Christian, traditional worldview alot began to change and the traditionaly society shaped over the centuries into a modern, dynamic one. This would have been different, because Christianity did not hold sway over the Roman Empire in the age of Augustus, nor was the European worldview how the Catholic Church wanted it to be.
[–]BeondTheGrave 3 points4 points5 points 3 months ago
To refine your question a bit, What if Issac Newton was around AND discovered what he did during Roman times, OR What if a man with the intellectual capacity and propensity for innovation been around during Roman times. A slight, but important distinction.
[–]cedargrove 3 points4 points5 points 3 months ago
It would have been interesting if someone had discovered balloon flight during the Roman Republic. It would have been possible with the materials they had, it was an idea which could have been greatly exploited for military reconnaissance.
[–]BeondTheGrave 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago
now THAT is both possible and interesting. I wonder though if fabric technology was up to the job. in order to hold the air in, you do need a certain strength of material that a Roman may not have been able to acquire indigenously. Though Im just spit balling here.
[–]Dakayonnano 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
I'm sure they had enough capital to acquire silk, which I believe is strong enough.
[–]Womec 2 points3 points4 points 3 months ago
The Romans already knew a lot about engineering etc so it would probably build on that quite a bit. They may have already had some of these concepts in other forms.
[–]BeondTheGrave 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
mayhaps, however most of that knowledge was lost during the collapse of the Empire, so his impact may get forgotten in that chaos, only to be rediscovered by sir jeremiah oldpound in the 1600s.
[–]Womec 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
Could be, however a lot of the knowledge from greeks and romans was kept in the middle east and asia until rediscovered in the crusades by the west, so it might have just stay over there or caused the east to be more advanced and take over the world.
[–]TheCheekySeagull 1 point2 points3 points 3 months ago
Let's not forget the burning of the Library of Alexandria, which is said to have set civilization back 1000 years.
[–]jonsayer 0 points1 point2 points 3 months ago
As I understand it, most of the ancient world's major contributors to science were centuries or more before Augustus (Pythagorus d. 495 BCE, Archimedes d. 212 BCE, but Augustus died 14 AD). I can't think of one that was a contemporary to Augustus.
Perhaps by that time science simply didn't hold the sway it once did. The swords of the Romans and their free bread and circuses were dulling people's curiosity. Perhaps if Newton came along then, no one would listen to him.
Also an important point: Newton's ideas were built upon on observations of the solar system made with telescopes, which would not be invented for a very long time.
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