What makes you choose HoN over DotA 2?

StefanT · 4 months

For the time being there are some things that really irk me about Dota 2 These things could change in the future so i'm not necessarily holding a grudge against Dota 2 or anything but here they are:

The turning speeds HoN has a much faster turning speed as most people have pointed out and so in general it just feels like a much faster paced game. We've worked so hard as HoN players to get used to this blinding speed, why should we have to downgrade ,per se, and get used to a slower speed. I know the idea is that if the game is slower it becomes more noob friendly and such but that to me feels like we're compromising the integrity of the game.
I like the HoN Metagame the HoN Metagame is a very fast paced one. Speaking from a Post Compression 1700+ point of view, HoN's hero pool generally supports a more fast paced style of game play with many nukers and semi-carries. If anyone remembers the original DotA 1 metagame, it basically consisted of 2-3 carries on each team,a couple of gankers and supports, and resulted in a competition as to whos team's carries could farm better. With HoN's larger pool of nuking heroes this ricing style no longer exists because 1 hero cannot carry the game.
For those who watch competitive HoN game play we've all seen the 400+ gpm magebane still lose in games like MSI vs LioN and such. I think a faster paced gameplay is good for the overall community
HoN Changes to the Game HoN has changed many things about the game that Dota 2 still keeps For example:

The Secret Shop

0:00 Rune

Free courier

All these were incredibly good changes that made the game more balanced and smoother to play. The thought of losing middle simply because my opponent got a double damage rune or illusion rune at 0 min would be frustrating or everybody refusing to buy a courier

The rest of the things that I don't like about Dota 2 can all be changed in patches such as

No Mana Bar indicator

The Shop Lay out

etc

The Shop Layout

etc.

Hotdogo · 4 months

No Beta key.

tophj · 4 months

Who doesn't like lists? These are the reasons I don't like dota2 and like hon.

1.) character speed. this is the main reason I don't play, the slower turning speed just annoys the crap out of me.

2.)the attack animations are on average slower, or maybe I'm just spoiled from s2 heroes.

3.) the atmosphere: for some reason it just doesn't feel right to me. in hon I feel like I'm there as the character running around but in dota 2 I feel like I'm looking down on the hero through a tube.

4.) for some stupid reason the little green marker when you move. I just wish it was bigger. (bazinga!)

With all of this in mind, the main thing I really like about dota 2 is the heroes. There are so many unique heroes that just feel awesome to play (I'm looking at you tinker)

Edit: clarification

aSimpleMan · 4 months

Speed, faster paced it feels, hon.

Snowdream · 4 months

no beta key, those things are like gold dust.

Dexanth · 4 months

Every time I play in the DotA2 beta, things that HoN's UI has always had that DotA2 lacks drive me away.

The two big offenders are 1. No visible mana bars 2. Clicking on a unit deselects your hero - whereas in HoN this only happens if you click a unit you -control-; being able to pull up enemy info and not have it disappear the second you make an action would be great.

[deleted] · 4 months

HoN is a full game, not a beta. HoN seems a lot smoother and more responsive. HoN has a lot more heroes.

Taco_Bueno · 4 months

Because DotA2 isn't DotA2, its DotA.

Gringos · 4 months

I've got used to HoN, screwed the DotA2 experience for me. Plus I'm not grossed out enough by S2 to consider switching.

tehheat · 4 months

Got my beta key, played about 10 games and I hate dota. Figured I would never play it over HoN.

Gave it a second chance and played about another 10 games and starting to love it again. The old heros I missed playing, THE REAL WINDRUNNER, batrider, AA ETC the whole game in general seems better to me.

-No courier does suck in pubs, but once you win a bunch and are actually playing with decent people it's really not an issue.

-0 rune is amazing! haste rune? run top get a quick kill and go back to mid. Also some epic 3v3 - 3v2 action takes place. No more alt tabbing while I wait for the horn.

-Items are way better in Dota2. Drum, urn Etc are just so good. One thing that I realllly hate in dota is the force staff. Missing those +5 stats from the major totem sucks. (in dota it is +10 staff and quarterstaff + recipe) They need an Urn in HoN imo.

-Seems to me like in HoN, it's really bursty compared to dota. Which can be good in some ways. But in others its not. I'm def on the fence about this.

No concede is one of the only major problems I have at this point. Everygame is 40+ min. It's stupid. Games sometimes are over at like 9 min mark, when AM is 5-0 with a battlefury shortly following.

--HoN def has a higher skill in the mid point I think. Kinda a odd thing to bring up, but when im playing on dota with guys of my skill (about) Sometimes there will be 4X wards and no wards / dust has been bought the whole game. Where as in Hon, it def happens but not as much. I feel as more people wanna play that AM / carry when a Spec has already been picked, then other idiots wanna farm blinks on Lion and ES before buying a single ward. And just so you know, I am 1800 pre compression (sorry dont know my compression MMR-- havent played much) and I am about 38-20 on dota2 I think. So who knows, my match matching in Dota might not be high enough as I may need more games played.

Not calling anything out, as I still think HoN is fun, but I just sit at hero select screen saying ugh dont know who i wnat to play. Where as in dota I have an idea of who I will pick. (reguardless of other team picks) just my points.

EDIT: Forgot to add Arcane boots, they are amazing Simlar to arcane ring, except it saves a slot --Boots + energry booster (1000gold item from SS) = Arcane boots. And you most likely will have one on each team.

numeroz · 4 months

no key. the real debate can start when its open to the public imo. *Edit maybe i should clarify. as you said the game is still in a state where a patch can be "a complete game changer" so we dont really know for sure how it will turn out. And it being a closed beta means that there are much less noobs then after release.

mookler · 4 months

For the moment, I choose hon because it feels faster, has CM, and has way more heroes.

cwcriner · 4 months

access

pandello · 4 months

first of all, player db is terrible right now- all the players (except progamers) are really terrible. Games are terribly balanced- ~1 of 10 matches is anyhow close, all others u're dominating or sucking. And finally, only ap is avaliable @ mm- this is just terrible. However, i still like to play -cm mixes or games with friends. This custom games are usually higher skilled, just like inhouses in hon. And I'll prefer -cm games in dota2 to hon, probably just because where are alot of heroes new for me (i've started playing moba games with hon).

myreddithonaccount · 4 months

It runs on Linux.

I haven't had the chance to actually try DotA 2 yet, but I've seen it played a couple of times. Just from watching it for a few minutes, I think the most off-putting thing is the grey and foggy looking graphics.

THENAMAZU · 4 months

Well, I tried Dota 2, hoping for a great game, but the slow pace is such a dealbreaker for me. Also, most my friends play HoN, so that's where I am.

spyx4 · 4 months

a friend gave me a dota 2 beta key but i havent been using mit much (makes me feel quilty :/) anyways before playing hon i had played little to no dota and i wasnt familiar with this genre, but i started playing hon a few months ago and i loved it got addicted to it and i play almost everyday ... that said i have played a couple of matches in dota 2 beta and i think i just dont like the feel of the game, if u know what im saying. anyone who has played both quickly notices the difference. i dont know if its since i am a hon player first or what but hon seems much smoother than dota 2, from looking around to killing creeps and overall look of the game (dota 2) it just doesnt feel as satisfying to me. i can care less about the number of heroes or what they do, im just somparing the feel of the game. i guess i can say dota 2 is much "laggier" than HoN, atleast to me.

nisroch · 4 months

dota 2 just feels sluggish, and the sounds and animations aren't as distinct as HoN.

that's basically what it boils down to for now.

kenyaDIGitt · 4 months

Only reason is because I stil haven't gotten a key yet :(

Khrrck · 4 months

I like some of S2's hero design (Nomad in particular <3) and usability/interface changes. I love the prettiness of dota and some of its hero designs as well. Dota sound and graphics could use some work though, many effects are WAY too similar, like CM/AA having very similar ice effects for very different abilities, or 50% of all stuns having the same "CRACK!" sound effect. HoN does a good job of making everything distinctive and instantly obvious (I can hear my friend playing over a shitty skype connection and still tell what's going on in a teamfight from sound alone).

But in general, Dota 2's got 3 main problems that keep me from wanting to play it much:

No concede vote. This is big. Your entire team might have decided that they want to give up and move on to the next game, but they can't. They have to sit there for the extra 15, 20, 30 minutes it takes for the enemy to actually take out their ancient, which is NOT FUN. Yes, you can leave early, but you get penalized for it (admittedly fairly weakly ATM).
No sense of progression. HoN has MMR and silver, LoL has levels/IP/ranked ELO, Dota has no element which "keeps score" and will give me a feeling of progress or consequence for my matches. This is not hugely important but having something persistent like this makes the game more interesting, as i'm sure MMOs have demonstrated.
Playing Dota 2 feels like playing in mud. I'm not sure if it's the turning thing (as pointed out, Dota heroes turn THEN attack rather than turn AND attack), the rumored built-in lag, or something else, but most of the time when playing dota I feel like I'm fighting with my hero to make it do what I want. It feels remarkably like playing Hon at 300ms or when my router's acting up and eating packets, and until this is fixed the game will be significantly less fun.

FlyingFoX13 · 4 months

Currently I wouldn't switch to Dota2 just because there is no concede option and you are getting punished for leaving a game.

No other DotA community does this. Either you don't get punished for leaving and there is no concede option (see Battle.net) or you get punished for leaving and there is a way to concede a game (dota-league or dotapickup or all the other inhouse leagues).

Another thing why I really like HoN is the support for Mods! Its a great thing to be able to customize about every part of the UI as I want to have it and it really adds value to the game as very often can I find mods that fix stuff that isn't perfect already or just isn't perfect for me. With mods the UI comes a lot closer to the perfect UI I want to have and that probably differs a lot from the perfect UI of other people, which makes it near impossible to please everyone without them.

Some of the other reasons already stated apply to me as well:

Secret Shop
Courier
mana bars
the meta game

Quinnal · 4 months

After playing Dota 2 for a while I have a few reasons why HoN is #1 for me as of now.

Free courier at the start allowing supports to not start with a huge disadvantage compared to any other type of hero.
Lack of conceding, in every game that your getting destroyed or destroying you have to play the game for an extra (at a bare minimum) 8+ min.
Wards. Not only can I not place wards in my favourite and very effective positions I have to purchase 2 wards at a time which can be very frustrating for a support who is already getting smoked.
No 0:00 rune. This rune shows a lack of skill in the start of the game. If a mid hero grabs this rune, they win their lane. If they get illusion or dd it gives a huge advantage which shouldnt exist.
Secret shop. The replacement of the secret shop with the observatory imo is golden. I think the secret shop lost its purpose the second couriers were introduced in DotA. Back in the day getting to the secret shop was a journey that you had to make. Now...its just a useless stop your courier has to make to get you an item.
Faster pace gameplay. I love how the metagame has evolved in HoN. The constant ganking, pushing strats and such has made this game something of its own. People who say its a DotA ripoff obviously havn't played the game in a long time. Dota 2 IMO is a bit more farm the carry for 45 min then clash.

I loved playing DotA back in the day, but I can easily say I can never go back to it. Dota 2 i'm sure is going to be an amazing game and I wish them the best of luck but unless they implement some crazy changes my time will be spent with HoN. 1 more thing I forgot to include is that I hate perma bashing.....very weird and pretty stupid :D!

pianoboii · 4 months

I feel like DotA 2 has improved manythings that DotA was lacking but there is something about DotA and DotA 2 that I don't like. It's hard to explain. Overall, I still like HoN better and I really hope they kick DotA 2's ass when it comes out because I'm tired of people arguing over it.

All in all, I think Heroes of Newerth is the real second generation of DotA.

gregnog · 4 months

Its simply just how slow paced Dota 2.

The intentional 140 MS they added to make it feel like Dota 1.

Everything seems slow and chunky in general when you try to play. Unit reactions, turning, EVERYTHING.

Hon is just more reactive to your input.. I can't go back to that shit, not after 3 years of playing HoN.

Caesarr · 4 months

I heard it best described as this:

Dota2 is like HoN, but looks and feels like it's underwater.

FlaminTampon · 4 months

I choose both

spyx4 · 4 months

i would like a mana bar indic in dota 2 :/ also i dont like how dota 2 is more cartoony, ofcourse there is a difference of opinion on this matter... i like HoN and the noises it makes, they sound much more satisfying than in dota 2, which again goes back to the "cartoony" game that dota 2 is :/ ...sound is a great thing HoN can brag about

prowlinghazard · 4 months

for the time being i dont have a dota 2 invite and i own a legacy hon account

Scydow · 4 months

It clearly isn't finished + none of my friends have a key...

Karl_Marx_ · 4 months

Pacing, crappy ward placement.

kenxcross · 4 months

Beta key, i don't have one. And I've lost interest now that my friends tell me that there's not much excitement playing it. What's the purpose of making the game promotion so good when they're not giving enough keys for their target customers.

Bromao · 4 months

There is no Furion in HoN. That alone is enough.

Fucking retarded hero.

And yes, I know you are about to say tps counter him, but know what? That's wrong. Tps don't "counter" him.

crudolol · 4 months

hon is action pure, just perfect man. dota way too slow, way too easy

pclamer · 4 months

People seem to talk so much about how good Dota2 gfx are... but they aren't. HoN is clearer and prettier.

Mooobers · 4 months

NO one has chosen shit yet bro, Dota 2 isn't even out. zzz

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