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Is there any social/political issue that The United States is ahead of the curve on? (self.AskReddit)
submitted 1 year ago by Zink326
Seems like The United States is generally behind the curve, but where is the country making progress better than elsewhere?
[–]shenaniganns 30 points31 points32 points 1 year ago
We're sprinting ahead in prison population.
[–]monsieurlee 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago*
Ethnic relations.
While we still have racism here, it is better than most parts of the world.
In America, I can be of any color or ethnicity, and when asked by others where I'm from, I tell them I'm American from Ohio/Washington/California/Alabama/wherever, almost always they will take it at face value and not question it. Hell, I can have a thick foreign accent but I tell them I'm American, they'll accept it.
This is not true in most of the world.
[–]renegade_division 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
As a south asian kid I can't even imagine living in a non-south asian country with no gun rights.
[–]AlonsoADM 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
HA, Yeah right! (yeah I yelled that)
When I went to school in Boston at pretty much 80% of the parties I went to I was asked "Where are you from?", to which I would reply "Miami". But then I would always get this confused look and the same question "No, Where are you FROM?". I don't have an accent,and I don't dress "different"--in fact I dress like a preppy New Englander, Thanks JCrew. Ask any East or South Asian kid, they get it all the time as well. I know that I am making a huge assumption here that you are either black or white, sorry.
But I do have to agree that we are ahead of the curve when it comes to discussing race relations. Where in France the government enforces the headscarf law because they claim that "all religious symbols infringe on their French concept of the separation of church and state", we would call shenanigans and say that it is an anti-muslim law, and it would be shut down.
[–]monsieurlee 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Asian here.
That's exactly what happens to me when I'm in Europe. Where are you from? No, where are you REALLY from.
Never happens to me in the US. Then again, I spend most of my time on the west coast and there are a shitload of Asians here I've head stories about New England. I've only gone to New England for visits but no one ever askes me anything after I tell them I'm from California. Maybe they just figured California is full of colored folks
Hahah, when you say it like that, " I've heard stories about New England" you make it sound like it was Jim Crowe era shit going down there. I mean I get what you're say, but it sounds funny.
[–]monsieurlee 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
LOL, Jim Crowe era
[–]Makuch 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Space flight! I hope so anyway. We should be ahead in that area, anyway. And our airplanes kick ass. I mean, put aside your thoughts on the military for a moment and tell me that this isn't cool
[–]surfnsound -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
Ummm, that was cancelled.
[–]Makuch 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Hmmm, so it would seem. However, they still exist and operate, and could be built again for a paltry 200-something million per, so it still counts
[–]zserf 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
Freedom of speech. Where else can the KKK legally have a march in Jewish neighborhood?
[–]AlonsoADM 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Nowhere else, because the KKK doesn't exist anywhere else?
Yeah because racism does not exist anywhere else.
[–]indgosky 14 points15 points16 points 1 year ago*
Yes: We have a Bill of Rights which clearly enumerates the many basic, individual freedoms of The People, and prevents out government from running roughshod over us as quickly and thoroughly as the governments of our neighbors have run over them.
At least we have this for the moment, as long as we're willing to fight to keep it -- something which many of us have already foolishly stopped doing through apathy and a poor historical education.
Many people gave their lives some 235 years ago so that posterity (that's us) could live lives of freedom from monarchical or other "elite rule" in which the common citizen has no representation in the workings of the government or the passing of laws.
Too bad there are people out there today who are so willing to piss it all away in the name of striving to "be more like other countries" -- many of whom are already living in police states, with no right to speak freely, no right to privacy, and no right to self defense.
I, for one, am glad we're not "more like other countries".
EDIT: If you're going to downvote this, than have the balls to leave a comment as to why and how you think it doesn't contribute to the topic.
[–]winflint 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
The Bill of Rights was maybe ahead of the curve up until the early 20th century, but most other countries have clearly defined laws similar to that of the Bill of Rights.
The argument could also be made that the US is behind the curve by allowing its' citizens' the right to bare arms.
Out of curiosity what other countries would you consider to be a police-state.
[–]indgosky 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
BEAR. And while you surely could argue that, most people in the US do not.
From where I stand, that's one of the few social/political issues in which we're still way ahead of the curve -- that fundamentally granted access provides us a level of freedom from oppression and corruption that other countries can only dream about. I'm not saying there is no oppression or corruption; only that we have less and it grows more slowly as long as we retain that right.
what other countries would you consider to be a police-state.
That is of course all in the eye of the beholder...
[–]snyggification 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
It's less so that there is a bill of rights, other countries probably have something analogous but range in their ability to stick to it. Some may say that America doesn't stick to it either.
Moreover, technically Liberia was founded and its government based on the USA (since it was founded by Americans), but nonetheless things went awry there.
... other countries probably ...
Probably? The things that I specifically listed are not rights at all in the UK, for instance, and that is one of the major countries many Americans would like to use a a role model (because they incorrectly perceive them to be more "advanced" in human rights)
[–]surfnsound 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
UK doesn't technically even have a constitution written down...
[–]SarahTheShark 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
I'll see your no-official-constitution and raise you this: In New Zealand the Bill of Rights act specifically states that every other law, existing or passed at a later date, takes precedence.
We have no rights. Just priviledges the government hasn't whittled away yet.
[–]pssvr 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
I have heard of this before. Now whenever I start to feel really depressed about where America is heading, I go read up on places like Greece and New Zealand, and suddenly feel much better.
Speaking of which, there's another way the U.S. is actually "behind" the curve: We are about five or ten years further away from spending ourselves into total collapse than the rest of you fuckers are.
[–]getyourgunsadly -3 points-2 points-1 points 1 year ago
yeah we're absolutely living our lives free from "other 'elite rule.'"
[–]indgosky 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
Hence the parts I wrote about "for the moment", "as long as we're willing to fight to keep it", and "people [...] so willing to piss it all away".
The point of making comments such as I did here is to encourage a spark of concern in the apathetic fools who are allowing this to happen, or worse actively encouraging it through their own ignorance of how we got to be one of the most respected and powerful countries in the world (before we started pissing it all away)
[–]getyourgunsadly 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
is it "for the moment" or are we in it now. Fix that. i'd think that there would better threads to post in than this if that's your goal.
I post something like this in every thread I see in which it is an on-topic comment.
Unfortunately, in almost every such thread, there is someone nitpicking some minor bit of wording, and creating distracting arguments, rather than agreeing and rallying the larger point to the top.
[–]getyourgunsadly 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
there is a large difference between saying that we need to fight for something that is diminishing versus saying that we need to rally for a return to something we've lost. Also attributing our decline to being more like other countries is an odd thing to say when it was our unilateral actions that dug the hole so deep.
[–]indgosky 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
there is a large difference between saying that we need to fight for something that is diminishing versus saying that we need to rally for a return to something we've lost.
Yes, there is. And since most people do not agree upon which condition we are in (and some would say neither), I kept it intentionally vague because that was not the main point.
Also attributing our decline to being more like other countries...
I did? Silly me. I thought I attributed our decline to (1) apathy and (2) to people who want to be more like other countries by giving up our fundamental rights.
[–]getyourgunsadly 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
so what's this main point that apathy and people who want to emulate countries that aren't burning down are the problem? sure /r/politics is certainly the place to find apathetic people. in terms of the latter i'd request an example of the fundamental rights and country in question. i'm also curious when you believe we started pissing it all away?
countries that aren't burning down
Oh, come on... the US wasn't "burning down" until very recently. What was their excuse for wanting to emulate those countries before?
curious when you believe we started pissing it all away?
Our hard- and expensively-won liberty lasted for over 100 years, and we've been pissing it away, bit by bit, for at least the last 100 years.
yeah burning down in large part to our belief in our exceptionalism and unilateral desicions. i'll request again though what fundamental rights and country in question.
[–]66-75-63-6b 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
material standard of living.
Women's rights - not just in law, but in culture. (women have equal rights in Japan tool but try and find a female CEO)
Activism - this word doesn't even exist in many languages
Preventative healthcare - no joke, the US is one of the only countries where people obsess about their weight, and do things like work out 3-5x per week. It's just not in the culture of most other developed nations.
Philanthropy - the US has been a leading nation in giving since the Industrial Revolution. America and Americans have given more money to charitable causes than any other nation for the last 10 years running.
That's just the top of my head. If I can think of more, I will post them.
[–]bizboss 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
Preventative healthcare - no joke, the US is one of the only countries where people obsess about their weight, and do things like work out 3-5x per week. It's just not in the culture of most other developed nations
Is this a joke? Have you lived anywhere in Europe? You could walk through a city like Stockholm an entire day without seeing an overweight person. What big city in the States can you say the same of?
[–]66-75-63-6b 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
LA. San Francisco. Seattle. Portland. Parts of New York.
I live in Paris, btw. My point isn't that people there live healthier- that's pretty hard to prove in any case. But the percentage of people who actively seek out exercise for the sake of exercise is much higher in the US. In Paris, if you get a gym membership, it's good for 4, maybe 8 days a month. The gyms are small, and they typically have a single trainer on duty, if anyone. In the US, your gym membership is unlimited 24/7 access to an airplane hangar's worth of equipment and personal trainers. Hardly anywhere else in the world is marathon running or weightlifting a casual hobby. 24% of Americans smoke, as compared to 28% of people in the EU ( reference ). Obesity is a serious problem in the US, but by almost any other measure, Americans are more health-conscious than many other developed nations.
[–]boomshanka 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
Women's rights? I could think of a lot more progressive countries... Scandinavia? New Zealand? Even Aussie could be getting a female PM; ... not just political but commercial sector also .
[–]bizboss 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Australia already has a female PM. She wasn't voted in, but then again, no PM is, technically.
There are other countries that are doing just as well in women's rights, but they are all at the forefront. The US is more or less in the middle of the pack for the most developed countries, having pioneered women's equality for most of the world. They just had an election where two major candidates were female. For 2012, many people believe they will have their first female president. Not far off from the Aussies.
[–]wwwwho -2 points-1 points0 points 1 year ago
I don't really disagree with you, but I sometimes see it from a different angle.
Having a lot of crap; living to have instead of living to be.
Destruction of the family; women forced to work due to the erosion of wages.
Guilt alleviation; middle class busybodies who focus on band-aid solutions.
Hugely fat people!; the rest of the world doesn't need to work out.
Using money to shape political and social institutions to your own benefit and/or world view and calling it charity; God bless the Christian missionaries.
[–]mrdarrenh 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
This thread is asking what Americans have done right. To bash in your obviously childish manner, see any other thread in r/politics
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
thanks for saying this. i tried to come up with some sort of retort, but grrrrr-ed too much and was struck dumb.
[–]wwwwho 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
If, judging by your name, you are a teacher, I would think you would also be somewhat aware of the failings of people who claim one thing, but work for another. The NCLB legislation is a clear attack on public schools all under the guise of offering choice to the poor. The only choice is how will we suck money out of the public schools, bust the unions and broaden the division of ghetto schools from private schools. America's commitment to quality education for all children is remarkable and yet it is under attack from cynical people who only see a pile of money that they can get their hands on. I would hope you wouldn't grrrrr, but would rather fight for the things that make America truly great; the kind, caring, compassionate people who can see their world with eyes wide open.
Sorry to tread upon your fairytale view of the world. As I stated, I didn't really disagree with the post, but was saying there are alternative views of the same positions. If I wanted to bash America it would hardly be a strain to mention wars of aggression and a populace that is too bloated and entertained to honestly give two seconds thought to the state of the rest of the world.
America is ahead of the curve in television and movie production. America tends to be a leader in scientific and technological development (thanks to the war machine). America leads to world in rewarding the ultra-rich with lavish lifestyles. America is at the forefront of continuing political spectacle that is almost no consequence. America, like Hollywood, provides a dream for all the world. The rags to riches appeal of America is a guiding light for the hopeless. And maybe that one desperate dream makes it all worth it.
[–]mrdarrenh -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
Who said I had a fairytale view? The alternate positions you stated are well known and stated often on reddit. This is supposed to be a positive thread (I assume).
I said you had a fairytale view; it was Karma for your unwarranted characterization of my statements as "obviously childish". I wish children saw the world this way! I was refuting the positive nature of the posters comments. To be delusional about the goodwill of Americans does not make the world a better place. Perhaps we should point out the the kindest act of all; spreading the word of Jesus to the heathens! We can make any claim we like, but what do we really do that makes the world better? As far as I can tell, awesome entertainment and "hope".
[–]geej 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Activism? Been to France?
Not the same... I live in Paris. I agree that the French are about as close as it comes to American activism, and that makes sense since they are sister countries by philosophy. But it's still not the same.
Here we have protests all the time, it's true, but they're not grassroots protests by any means. In the US activism is this grassroots thing, you get a group together, recruit supporters, and have peaceful protest sit-ins. You write letters to congress, you call your local newspaper, and you post signs everywhere. In France, your union tells you not to work today. So you don't. Your political party holds a rally, so you go. There are people who are more individually politically active here, but in the states it's considered a responsibility. If you don't like what's going on, you have a moral responsibility to do something about it. Definitely not the same thing in france.
[–]spinozasrobot 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Activism != strikes.
[–]flobin -4 points-3 points-2 points 1 year ago
Women's rights? I don't know, but I would think that in communist countries, women are more equal than in the US.
[–]cypherignite 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
By what metric do you gauge gender equality? The US ranks highly here and the results are a mixed bag concerning political and economic organization. What countries are "the communist countries" exactly?
http://www.weforum.org/en/Communities/Women%20Leaders%20and%20Gender%20Parity/GenderGapNetwork/index.htm
[–]spasticfraggle 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
"Ranks highly" means 31st place between Lithuania and Namibia?
[–]flobin -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
I don't really know, it was more of a guess than anything.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
unfortunately, reddit doesn't often support talking out of your ass
[–]flobin 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Well, in a way it does, because I got downvoted, so we've learned that what I said was wrong!
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
good point. and i guess i was inaccurate to say that this fact is unfortunate, but mucho props to you for seeing it as a learning experience :D
[–]octatone 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
Corporate personhood ...
[–]Raerth 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
Military spending, weapons technology, affecting regime change in unfriendly nations.
[–]indgosky -2 points-1 points0 points 1 year ago
I really wish all the people who only ever contribute sarcastic counter-answers like this, and those who like to upvote these kinds of counter-answers, would either move to whatever countries they perceive to be so much better, or would shut up about how bad we are and actually try to be constructive for a change.
Downvote this foul-tasting honesty all you want. The flavor just means you know I'm right.
[–]mrdarrenh 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Immigration is the sincerest form of flattery. Just look at the stats. Where do most people go?
[–]Raerth 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Firstly, I'm not an American citizen or living in America.
Secondly, do you think that America is behind any other country in those areas?
What I think is that your contribution was off-topic, since the OP was clearly looking for POSITIVE social/political issues that the US is ahead on, rather than snarky negatives that "we're ahead on"... which is really just saying "thing's we're behind on" in a back-handed way.
Personally, I think there are few social and political areas that the US is uniquely ahead on.
Many Americans will point to things like gender, race and sex equality; but America is not unique in the Western world for those things so I don't think it can be considered ahead of the curve.
Political freedom is another, America is firmly entrenched in a two-party system which panders to the worst forms of populism. Anyone with a fringe or radical idea is ignored, no matter the potential benefit of the idea. America is not the worst state for political freedom by far, but it is not ahead of the curve.
I could go on, but my view is that there is little in America that is truly unique and progressive, although there are lots of areas where America is equally as good as other first-world nations.
Agreed on most of what you say there... the ills of the 2-party system, populism, fringe ideas being ignored/drowned out, etc.
But I do not agree with the implication that "progressive" is somehow important or synonymous with respect to being "better"...
We were ahead of most countries in terms of individual freedom before we became so "progressive", but now we've taken that school of thought too far, and it's no longer about equality -- it's about getting payback and comeuppance and other petty goals. For instance, the "middle class white male" is being demonized, with a goal of making them lesser than equal. I am no fan of this form of "progressivism".
[–]Raerth 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I think that's viewing progressive through the American political lens.
I mean it as moving from a less mature/improved/developed state to a more mature/improved/developed state. Not necessarily a Left v. Right argument.
[–]Makuch 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Those are all political issues, to be fair.
[–]indgosky -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
Yes, they are, but they are not answers in the spirit of the OP's (unstated but dead-obvious) request for positive examples of being ahead -- not negative examples of being ahead, which is just a backhanded way of saying "being behind". I am quite certain the OP has a good idea of all the things we're already behind on, and is looking for something positive.
Oh, I know, and I agree with you. I was just trying to make a funny.
[–]You_know_THAT_guy 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Freedom of speech. In lots of European countries insulting someone will bring the law down on your ass.
[–]notjawn 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
Freedom of the press is one I can think of. I mean did you see last year how many Russian journalists ended up dead after criticizing Putin and the Russian government?
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
Bull.
Have you not seen the self-imposed war censorship practiced by the media here in the United States?
When was the last time you saw the aftermath of one of our drone strikes on a village in Pakistan or the result of an I.E.D attack on NATO forces? The government learned its lesson after Vietnam: don't let the public see how graphic and bloody things actually are and rely on the power of apathy.
If people started seeing dead soldiers and civilians on television the President would lose what little support he has from the public for the war. Bush knew this, and so does Obama. I doubt MSM networks would gamble losing their cozy seat in the White House press room over something like that. Just look at what they did to Helen Thomas.
[–]notjawn 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
The sad truth is, its not out of really any conspiratorial fashion, its just the general public doesn't care, so the news outlets won't pick up on it because they'll lose ratings and ad revenue.
I know we try to suppress information in certain ways, but I still think were a bit ahead of the rest of the world where they won't allow even minor dissent or a contrary opinion to emerge in the news and are willing to kill over it.
I don't know what nations you include in "the rest of the world". I mean you'd have to be disqualifying, well, most of the rest of the world. Don't just assume it's better because it's American, ok?
[–]jankyalias 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Actually, the rest of the world has very poor media freedom. Almost all of Africa, most of Asia, swathes of South/Central America, the Middle East, etc. all have very strict media guidelines. Europe, North America, Australia, and certain pockets of South/Central America have better policies. True, the US is not the most free, I think Denmark is considered to be the most open media environment last time I looked, but it is one of the better states in this regard.
[–]getyourgunsadly 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
we're the foremost pioneers in exponential decline.
[–]jankyalias 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
Honestly, calling the US behind the curve is silly. We are far better off than most of the world. Sure, the US isn't perfect and it has many, many problems, but it is competitive in nearly every category you throw out there. Does that mean there aren't countries that do some things better? No. But to pretend like the US is lagging in development is simply odd. Compared to Africa, Asia, and most of the Americas the US is far ahead of the curve. Whatever your metric. Seriously, go live in the developing world for a while and you learn very quickly just how good the US actually is. I used to be much more critical of the US before I lived in Egypt, by a for example.
[–]Question_Everything 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
Indigenous welfare... /trollface
[–]afellowinfidel 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago
personal rights and property rights.
also economic freedom, those that complain about governments heavy hand in business, in regards to regulation or bureaucracy or overall inefficiancy have never done business in europe, or the middle-east.
[–]therealjerrystaute -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
I don't think any but a few third world countries now outdo us in terms of plutocracy.
"Under America's current campaign finance rules, it often doesn't even matter if your political candidate wins, because the vast majority of candidates are beholden to the rich who pay for their election campaigns. Beholden to those few lucky good people (or bad) who possess this mountain of cash, and so own most U.S. corporations (including U.S. mainstream media) as well. You literally cannot avoid seeing their viewpoints if you turn on your TV. But you'll almost never see your own-- unless they successfully convince you to adopt theirs.
And they have $billions for dazzling presentations and TV shows and entertaining TV personalities with which to drown you in propaganda until you finally swallow it, lock, stock, and barrel.
America may be the last modern western republic or democracy to allow a handful of the wealthy to run the government and the mainstream media this way. Other countries use higher taxes on the rich, public financing of elections and sometimes news media too, and/or other measures to avoid American style commercial corruption among their public officials.
It's the opposite of free speech: it's bought and paid for speech. For billionaires only."
-- The invisible American
We are way ahead in self-hatred. And "the grass is always greener over there" thinking.
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 1 year ago
The United States is not really at the forefront of innovation in any regard, be it social, political, economic or scientific. It has a lower standard of living, higher level of poverty, lower life expectancy, poorer education etc when compared to most other industrialized nations. In some regards, the United States has been regressing significantly for years or decades, so progress isn't really an issue. But it does have the worlds most powerful military.
[–]Gold_Leaf_Initiative -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago
drug-mind-body-spirit self-experimentation.
[–]Wordslinger1919 -3 points-2 points-1 points 1 year ago
Nope.
[–]Makuch -5 points-4 points-3 points 1 year ago
Ass-kicking
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