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What are your most controversial beliefs? (self.AskReddit)
submitted 1 year ago by cargoman89
I know this thread has been done before, but I was really thinking about the problem of overpopulation today. So many of the world's problems stem from the fact that everyone feels the need to reproduce. Many of those people reproduce way too much. And many of those people can't even afford to raise their kids correctly. Population control isn't quite a panacea, but it would go a long way towards solving a number of significant issues.
[–]PhanTom74 99 points100 points101 points 1 year ago
Starting at age 70, everyone needs to take yearly driving tests to make sure they are still competent drivers.
[–]soxxxxxxfan 20 points21 points22 points 1 year ago
Starting at age 70? How about a small percentage of license holders get selected each year/month to take the road test again? You already have to get your car to pass a state inspection yearly in NY, but why only check the car instead of the person driving it?
[–]FelixP 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Why is this even controversial?
[–]I_TYPE_IN_ALL_CAPS 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
AARP.
[–]jammies 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
I am really enjoying the fact that your comment is completely valid even without your username.
[–]trustmeep 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
I thought he was doing a seal impression.
[–]magicfrog9 82 points83 points84 points 1 year ago
Voting gives people a false sense or participation and leads to complacency.
[–]Merrydol 32 points33 points34 points 1 year ago
Like internet petitions.
[–]jamesmcm 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Yep, it's like Deus Ex 2, where all the candidates are actually run by the same people.
There is no real choice, and it's designed that way, it's a rigged game.
[–]stodderen 34 points35 points36 points 1 year ago
that the "load more comments" link should be replaced with "load all comments"
[–][deleted] 145 points146 points147 points 1 year ago
The the US education system is the next huge bubble to pop. That most folks don't need a BS/BA/etc degree and that administrators in higher education are lying to them to make money and secure power/prestige (aka enrollment). The scam also benefits the student loan companies.
These beliefs are controversial because I teach at a University.
[–]steven777400 32 points33 points34 points 1 year ago
Community college teacher here. Concur. Especially on the cost; I don't believe the benefit even approaches the cost. The only reason the cost can be so high is that loan availability has substantially artificially inflated it. At some point, that loan availability will drop and then what happens...
[–]arcadeguy 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
As a CC teacher, any thoughts on why more people who want a 4-year degree don't spend their first 1-3 semesters taking classes at a community college? The first year courses are basically all gen eds, most credits attained at CCs transfer to 4-year universities, and it's so much cheaper. I've just never understood why more people don't take advantage of this.
[–]midri 19 points20 points21 points 1 year ago
As a student that skipped Community College and went right to a university, spent 3 years and dropped out. Community College is looked down on by most, people that go to them fall into 1 of 2 groups generally. Poor, people looking to get their BA and not sure about their life and the super intelligent that know that if they get their BA before moving to a uni they can save buttloads of cash. I know a lot of people go to uni to get away from their parents as well, sex, drinking, debauchery, all these things are taken into account when choosing a university.
[–]DaIronchef 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
Freshman year is also where I met most of my best connected friends of my life.
[–]Donahue2 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I've come to this conclusion myself - the hard way. Took two years of radio broadcasting at 18, and then I realized I could have just looked some shit up on the internet for a few hours and garnered the exact same education at a small fraction of the cost. A lot of courses are just bullshit, real world experience is what comes in handy.
[–]tj111 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
I'm a 22 year old college drop out. I just got offered a gig at a very cutting edge company (very established, not a start-up) making $62,000 a year (obviously I took it). My girlfriend is in grad school for school counseling, and when she graduates she will start at about 1/2 - 2/3 my salary (and be about $50k in debt). I think that proves your point better than anything.
1/2 - 2/3
I guess part of my problem with college was I just felt like too much of a sheep being herded through the system and not as someone trying to go above and beyond as an individual, and fucking up was my way of rebelling; but it all worked out in the end.
[–]hackday 51 points52 points53 points 1 year ago*
Discrimination is hardwired into us. e.g. We are programmed to not like people who are different from us, we will treat a more attractive person better etc.
I am not saying that our hard-wiring is responsible for every form of discrimination and I still maintain that individuals who discriminate largely do so out of their own bigotry
[–]S3v3n 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
How is this controversial? That is social psych 101.
[–]naribian 85 points86 points87 points 1 year ago
Violence is sometimes necessary.
[–]culalem 11 points12 points13 points 1 year ago
My somewhat related belief: Violence is the final answer. Everything boils down to force.
[–]Dorkfire 21 points22 points23 points 1 year ago
Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent -Salvor Hardin
[–]imathrowawayaccount 26 points27 points28 points 1 year ago
Did this motherfucker just break out a quote from an Asimov book? Yes he did.
[–]aloserofsorts 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
And not the last of the competent, because they're competent enough to realize it can be necessary.
[–]LaBamba 18 points19 points20 points 1 year ago
Some babies are ugly. One of my Facebook friends keeps posting pictures of her niece and gushes endlessly about how cute she is. The baby looks like Smiegel. Not all babies are cute. Stop posting pictures of ugly babies on Facebook.
[–][deleted] 239 points240 points241 points 1 year ago
Democracy is not always the best form of government
[–]holmat 67 points68 points69 points 1 year ago
Reminds me of a Trotsky quote.
"There is a limit to the application of democratic methods. You can inquire of all the passengers as to what type of car they like to ride in, but it is impossible to question them as to whether to apply the brakes when the train is at full speed and accident threatens."
[–]TheseIronBones 58 points59 points60 points 1 year ago
It always seems to be overlooked in the light of how history has played out, but the Russian Revolution was conducted by some very smart individuals
[–][deleted] 53 points54 points55 points 1 year ago
Indeed. The Bolshevik leaders were incredibly professional and well educated. Many will not side with them ideologically, but it is impossible to deny that men like Lenin and Trotsky were far more intelligent than many of today's world leaders. Simply reading through their works is a belittling task.
[–]withnailandI 11 points12 points13 points 1 year ago
I was just reading about the Dadaists in Switzerland. The Swiss secret police had all these guys (and gals) under surveillance because they were doing strange things like yelling nonsense at the top of their lungs and writing manifestos about the Death of Art and pouring pudding into bathtubs and shit like that. This worried them. Who were these freaks?
In the building next door, some dudes named Lenin and Trotsky were plotting to overthrow Russia and change the entire world. They went unnoticed.
[–]babucat 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
how many socialist trustafarians talk big about their plans and then never follow through?
a few ideological young men being studious isn't going to attract much attention... especially in a country like switzerland that lenin and trotsky had no interest in.
[–]idyllhands 49 points50 points51 points 1 year ago
"No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."
-Winston Churchill, House of Commons on 11 November 1947
[–]foxanon 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
Man I need to get my dad to read this, because he says democracy is perfect.
[–]GeorgeBernardShaw 34 points35 points36 points 1 year ago
Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve.
[–]bski1776 22 points23 points24 points 1 year ago
I'm with you. The closer you get to a true democracy, the closer you get to mob rule. Most people don't realize this.
[–]GoofyBoy 43 points44 points45 points 1 year ago
I believe the term is "tyranny of the majority".
[–]gsfgf 18 points19 points20 points 1 year ago
Which is still better than tyranny of the few
[–]crusoe 20 points21 points22 points 1 year ago
Unless you are the few, like Jews or Blacks...
A Republican system was chosen for this reason, and these kinds of arguments were hashed out in the Federalist papers, etc.
[–]Pituquasi 13 points14 points15 points 1 year ago
What little Jimmy Madison thought of when he thought of "minorities" and "minority rights" were the wealthy (always the minority) and what protections they should have against the will of the majority (the poor).
Don't assume a 20th century understanding of the idea of "minority" to your reading of a 18th century document.
[–]spundred 14 points15 points16 points 1 year ago
Democracy is wolves and lambs discussing what's for lunch.
[–][deleted] 42 points43 points44 points 1 year ago
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
FTFY
[–]rhoner 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
Anakin?
[–]huntingbears 304 points305 points306 points 1 year ago
The vast majority of people who are obese are that way due to the lifestyle choices they have made.
[–]nhlfan 125 points126 points127 points 1 year ago
Where's the controversy?
[–]blackhawk465 144 points145 points146 points 1 year ago
Kill them.
[–]OdessaOracle 97 points98 points99 points 1 year ago
There's the stuff.
[–]tomrhod 20 points21 points22 points 1 year ago
Then we can use their fat to make high-quality soaps for upmarket department stores.
[–]Anonymo 14 points15 points16 points 1 year ago
Dorito scented
[–]Slagathor91 40 points41 points42 points 1 year ago
As a fat (but nowhere near morbidly obese or anything like that) person, I have to say that my life choices have set me up for this. HOWEVER, having two very overweight and mostly inactive parents for the majority of my childhood, I had a strong predilection towards inactivity and unhealthy eating habits. I am working on making some changes, but first is the mental battle of just doing it. I hope to soon be able to say that I am losing weight.
[–]dansoldtheworld 18 points19 points20 points 1 year ago
Power to ya.
[–]loltb 85 points86 points87 points 1 year ago
I'm skinny only because of genetics. I feel guilty about it when I judge obese people. =/
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[–]syzygote 12 points13 points14 points 1 year ago
I'm morbidly obese. My best friend of all time has the same issue (skinny because of genetics) and having talked to him, I do empathize with the shit he has to deal with.
He's talked about the privilege that I, as a large dude, have in the sense of not being picked on (I have a lot of social insecurities, but no-one tends to fuck w/me)... He, on the other hand, has had bullies, even at the age of 30+ pick on him, because they're big drunk meatheads.
I gained a lot of empathy the past few years when he explained the social problems he has, and I think he can appreciate the judgement we fat people feel. In fact, I wish more people could empathize with both sides of the spectrum.
[–]bardan 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
I'm not keen on Reddit's weird obsession with fat people but this does suck.
[–]Clcsed 47 points48 points49 points 1 year ago
Professor in college did a 5 year >1000 student survey of caloric intake. Skinny students just don't eat very much. Some eat big meals but it averages out over the course of a day. In the US, only 5% of people have a thyroid condition yet 24% are obese. Judge away!
[–]bilbodesu 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
Saw an episode of some show about this. Two grown female friends with families, one was thin, the other was not. The fattish one claimed that the thin friend ate whatever she wanted, all the time, and never gained any weight. It turns out that the fatty ate way more food throughout an average day than the thin lady. The thin lady knew when she was done eating and would stop at that time.
[–]ipfreely_12386 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago
I'm no doctor, but apparently the disease isn't in the thyroid, rather its in the stomach/brain such that the enzymes which make us think we're hungry are out of whack in people who are fat.
Now whether this whiggidy-whackness is cause by a genetic disorder or is a byproduct of unhealthy eating, I dont know and might be unknown.
my 2 cents.
[–]SmokeMeth 18 points19 points20 points 1 year ago
I'm skinny because I consciously deny myself unhealthy food. If I let myself go I'll gain weight fast. For this reason I feel totally right in bashing fat people.
[–]MindlessAutomata 13 points14 points15 points 1 year ago
I am currently a fatty working on becoming an un-fatty. This is truth right here. My weight problems stem mostly from self control/self discipline issues.
[–]ShadowX22 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
I'm 5'10. I was fat from birth up until 2 years ago. I topped out around 220? Possibly more. According to my BMI that would just put me in the obese category.
Within a year I went from 220 down to 150 just by watching what I eat. I limited my consumption of sugary drinks and carbs. At first it was a little odd, but not keeping any of that stuff in the house and not ordering it when you eat out helped a lot. After a while you just get used to it and even the occasional soda is more than enough due to how insanely sugary they are.
You will notice a difference just by removing sugary drinks from your diet. Drink primarily water and after a month or two by doing this you'll start seeing changes. There's no need to cut yourself completely off from all the good tasting foods, start with small changes and work your way up. And it's not even the consumption of the unhealthy foods it's the amount you consume. By limiting the amount you limit the possible gaining of weight.
[–]joe12321 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
That's very egocentric. Everybody faces different challenges in life (although perhaps your life is perfect?), and it's nothing but dickish to rag on someone because they're less good at one element of life.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
I'm skinny because of my metabolism. I eat whatever I feel like, never use low-fat food products and barely eat any fruits. In fact, I had a McMuffin Meal & Hotcakes this morning for breakfast.
I feel guilty for abusing this privilege, but I do it because food tastes so damn gooood. Therefore, I do not judge fat people. But if a person is morbidly obese.... damn thats just fucked up!
[–]silver_collision 16 points17 points18 points 1 year ago
This is going to have to go under "controversial in America/the rest of the world," because it's not at all that controversial on Reddit...
[–]Stupid_Question 13 points14 points15 points 1 year ago
Agreed, but I feel bad for the fat kids. Parents taught them horrible eating habits, and by the time they're in control of there own diet, they're already hooked on bad foods. It's an extremely difficult cycle to break.
[–]mycroft2000 72 points73 points74 points 1 year ago
I honestly believe that human life does not begin until a person has his or her first self-aware thought.
(NB: This is not the same as believing that babies can be killed with impunity, although I am saying that there might very well be adult homo sapiens around who aren't fully human.)
[–]zaken 15 points16 points17 points 1 year ago
This...is very interesting. Especially the last line. I'll have to think about it for a while
[–]Yamikei 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
problem: animals can have self-aware thoughts maybe
at least, several species pass the mirror test...so they can at least do self-recognition. doesn't seem like too big a stretch to say they have self-awareness if they have self-recognition. so self-awareness doesn't make you human...maybe.
[–]sundown02 29 points30 points31 points 1 year ago
Legalize Prostitution, drugs, adult-aged polygamy (both sexes).
[–]obscure123456789 12 points13 points14 points 1 year ago
The preciousness of virginity is overrated.
[–]luckykobold 12 points13 points14 points 1 year ago
9/11 wasn't a big deal. It was tragic and evil, but changing any policy other than airline security was unwarranted. The world is the same.
Flame away.
[–]MDKrouzer 198 points199 points200 points 1 year ago*
That everyone who wants to be a parent needs to obtain a license by passing a test.
I find the God's Debris idea quite compelling as well
EDIT: Thank you for not downvoting me to oblivion for stating a very controversial belief (parent license). I admit that there is no way to administer this fairly and it reeks of eugenics, but I stand behind the principle of the idea. Perhaps better education in parenting and making sure people understand the responsibilities of having a child would be the more humane solution. The parent license is just my most controversial belief and I'm glad to see its generated some debate.
EDIT2: I just wanted to point everyone to indubitable's reply concerning the method to implement a form of parent license (or at least the goal). My original statement needs to be expanded on because I realise now from everyone's replies that testing is not the solution we would accept as a society and I agree with this sentiment. However, I still feel extremely strongly about the fact that a lot of people do not seem to understand the level of responsibility and commitment it takes to raise a child and yet insist on having children.
EDIT3: A lot of people think I'm promoting some sort of Nazi-esque Eugenics ideal. When I say test, I'm implying (albeit poorly) that by being forced to "study" for an exam of some sort, the prospective parents will be forced to fully consider the reasons for having a child and the future costs (social, monetary, time etc.) The test would include subjects such as young child care, financial management and nutrition. The test is there to ensure you are committed to raising your child and by passing the test you have proven that you care enough to learn and understand some basic subjects that will assist in raising a child.
Sorry for the crazy amount of edits, I was at work when all the replies came flooding in and I couldn't address each one individually. Thank you again for keeping this a civil debate
[–]MDKrouzer 33 points34 points35 points 1 year ago*
Told you it would be controversial. I have no idea how it would be administered, but I honestly believe there are people who should not have children and plenty who have children for the wrong reasons.
[–]indubitable 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago*
I really agree with this idea; though I fear you may not read this comment as it is nested in the plethora of responses you got (that's why I bolded a part of it to grab your attention).
But I do feel that we shouldn't try to take away people's humanity (ie right to procreate) but at the same time we should ensure competence as parents. So here is the question, why do you feel this way? Do you believe only the best and the brightest should procreate (eugenics), or do you believe that people should only be parents when they have shown the desire and responsibility to do as such? I'm going to assume you are in the latter category.
Here's the major problem with a program like this: enforcement. If a parent refuses to comply, do you take their baby away, force them to abort or some other God-awful solution that does indeed take away our humanity.
Thus enforcement should be as follows: you need to present proof "passing the tests" if you wish to claim your child as a tax dependent. Furthermore, the State should not offer any other financial incentives to the parents until they have completed the program. However, they could also offer rewards/additional privleages: such as if you complete the test, you get an additional 6 months of paternity leave (very rare in the US, I know its very common in Europe) and even longer materntiy leave. (Make the rewards spectacular so that parents really want to strive for this; you not only have a financial incentive nwo in the form of tax breaks, but now you have time to spend with your newborn).
As for the liscensing/testing requirements: 1.) Require all parents to take a Lamasse (sp?) and an infant care class
2.) Require a "test," to ensure that prospective parents know about raising children. I know this is the big problem because people would always argue that the government is trying to tell us how to raise our kids, etc. Therefore, an "impartial" solution would be to require the parents to sit in a child psychology class at a local community college (not a special class, but sitting alongside psych majors) or something similar (I know it is a logistical nightmare). Thereby ensuring that what you are getting is simply knowledge without a bias of any sort (theoretically anyway).
3.) A financial planning class to help you plan for your child's future.
Generally this type of an education ensures that you understand the responsibility of rearing a child. You know how to take care of the child. And that you won't abandon the baby due to financial woes or something.
Conclusion The best part of this type of education is that it is non-controversial (for the most part) and is what most prospective parents would be interested in learning anyway.
Again, the most important part is enforcement. Again, here we should not necessarily penalize, but simply not offer rewards. And those who do complete the testing should be given lucrative rewards (above and beyond what we currently offer, at least here in the US)
Now I know that there are a lot of kinks that have to be worked out (what happens in the case of a mentally disabled parent, logistics, single-parents, etc). I just thought up of this idea when I read your comment so there are probably several other factors that I haven't even considered, but I think at the VERY basic level, I mgiht ahve something ehre.
[–]spundred 21 points22 points23 points 1 year ago
We need a license to drive a car, but anyone is allowed to reproduce.
[–]warpstalker 27 points28 points29 points 1 year ago
Yeah, what's up with that? With a car you can kill maybe 10 people but with the right kind of offspring you can kill millions...
[–][deleted] 36 points37 points38 points 1 year ago
with the right kind of offspring you can kill millions...
You make it sound like some sort of goal.
[–]DirtyMartiniMan 41 points42 points43 points 1 year ago
Free will, and that I have it.
I believe I have free will but I consider myself a man of science which tells me I have no free will from all points of view.
The theological (God knows what the end will be),the quantum mechanical (we are either a set of reactions dictated from a prior set of reactions or just random acts of probability), or general reason (I DO WHAT I WANT).
All of it suggests I'm just a cog in a machine even if that machine is complex. This keeps me up at night.
[–]Latentsage 13 points14 points15 points 1 year ago
I have totally had this realization before. Either a person makes decisions based on the conditions of the situation, in which case they are predictable, or they act randomly. Neither of these are free will.
[–]teachthecontroversy 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
This argument stems from a vague, divided definition of what free will is. If you say that it's whatever actions we take that can't possibly be explained through the interaction of electrical signals through the brain, then I agree. But what if we define free will as the choices made through whatever brain part is responsible for self-awareness and other higher thought processes? Science IS finding that more and more of our lives are decided by various other parts of the brain and we only end up rationalizing those decisions after the fact. Personally, I take the futurama philosophy of free will:
Farnsworth: "Behold, the death clock! Simply jam your finger in the hole, and this readout tells you exactly how long you have to live"
Leela: "Does it really work?"
Farnsworth: "Well, it's occasionally off by a few seconds, what with free will and all"
so basically: Yes, free will does exist... it just doesn't really matter very much
[–]avocadro 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Thought this through a while ago. Ultimately, I realized that I have no grounds to assume the existence of free will, but to hell if that's actually going to affect the way I think as a person. Let's face it: no matter how fervently you believe in determinism, your brain thinks that it's in control.
In a determinist system, then, was perhaps the brain forced to take ignorance as bliss?
[–]felzix 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
I'm struck by an unobvious question: What is free will? People seem to have very different views of it.
I like to think I do have free will because free will is my will turned upon itself. That is, it's self awareness.
[–]Spraypainthero965 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
I think Jerry Coyne recently put it very well:
I’ve always tried to avoid thinking about free will, realizing that that way lies madness. As a materialist, I can’t see any way that our thoughts and behavior, which come from our neurons and muscles, which themselves result from the interaction between our genes and our environment, could truly be influenced by our “will.” Yes, there may be quantum uncertainties, but I don’t see how those can be influenced by our minds, or play any role in the notion that our decisions are freely taken. But if you don’t believe in free will, you might be tempted to stop thinking so hard about what you do, or start questioning the idea of moral responsibility. The end result is nihilism. Nevertheless, like all humans I prefer to think that I can make my own decisions. I decided to adopt an uneasy compromise, believing that there’s no such thing as free will but acting as if there were. And I decided to stop thinking about the issue, deliberately avoiding the huge philosophical literature on free will.
I’ve always tried to avoid thinking about free will, realizing that that way lies madness. As a materialist, I can’t see any way that our thoughts and behavior, which come from our neurons and muscles, which themselves result from the interaction between our genes and our environment, could truly be influenced by our “will.” Yes, there may be quantum uncertainties, but I don’t see how those can be influenced by our minds, or play any role in the notion that our decisions are freely taken. But if you don’t believe in free will, you might be tempted to stop thinking so hard about what you do, or start questioning the idea of moral responsibility. The end result is nihilism.
Nevertheless, like all humans I prefer to think that I can make my own decisions. I decided to adopt an uneasy compromise, believing that there’s no such thing as free will but acting as if there were. And I decided to stop thinking about the issue, deliberately avoiding the huge philosophical literature on free will.
That's basically my position as well.
[–]mcampbe 151 points152 points153 points 1 year ago
If religion never existed, man would have found another vessel to manipulate and exploit each other. Therefore religion in and of itself is not the cause of the worlds problems, like many here advocate.
[–]tappytibbons 44 points45 points46 points 1 year ago
We looked for the most dangerous enemy, and it was ourselves. Da Da Daa!
[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 1 year ago
I would agree with this and add on that other vessels have been used throughout history, see: Stalin's use of communism, the propagation of racism, the cult of celebrity millionaires in America, etc.
I would even extend the analogy to the point that religion has had some positive impacts the same way that communism, genetics, and media do; such as increased access to trained counseling, promotion of social justice in certain situations, and creation of useful rituals including yoga and meditation.
People just need to practice critical evaluation and external thought processes in regards to religion, just like any other idea. It's never ideas that cause problems it's acceptance and implementation of ideas without consideration of their consequences and general relation to reality.
I'd say money is the root of all evil, not religion.
Look at some of the damage religion does - the televangelists who rip off the vulnerable, the political commentators who distort the holy texts to fit their agenda, many of the wars and actions justified by religion are actually done in the pursuit of wealth (take the English ransacking of the monasteries, or even the Iraq War if you believe religion played a role).
The only problem I have with religion in and of itself is that it can be divisive, but it can also give people hope and community (which are hard to find now) so I wouldn't be so quick to condemn it.
[–]BDS_UHS 75 points76 points77 points 1 year ago
Star Wars actually did happen a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, and someone from that galaxy told George Lucas of the heroics of Luke, Han, Leia, and Chewie. But Lucas got too greedy off his newfound riches and his source decided to stop funding him. In a desperate grab for more cash, Lucas was forced to fabricate three more stories to explain the backstory of the original films.
I don't get many dates.
[–]tappytibbons 31 points32 points33 points 1 year ago
With great wisdom comes great solitude.
[–][deleted] 25 points26 points27 points 1 year ago
Dude, where do you get your weed?
[–]BAWiggs 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
From you, shibbermetimbers.
[–]redditor929 25 points26 points27 points 1 year ago
Euthanasia should be available to anyone who wants it. No questions asked.
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
I think there should be a few questions. 'Have you ended a relationship recently?', 'Are you going through any bereavements?' and others should be asked to assess the sincerity of the request. Allowing people to be euthanised in a bout of depression would kinda suck.
[–]Firrox 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
Agreed. At least try to help them a little before they want to end it.
Even so, I think the whole stigma of death is so overplayed. Nothing is wrong with death, it's just so scary to everyone because it's the exact opposite of living; it's the ultimate "change", and so many people are opposed to change.
[–][deleted] 59 points60 points61 points 1 year ago
irrationality is not a bad thing and we have discovered a lot with it.
[–]tappytibbons 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
Rationality will not save us, McNamara taught us that.
[–]rhoner 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
I have never considered that... can you give me some examples?
[–]IHaveNoNipples 117 points118 points119 points 1 year ago
The square root of 2.
[–]Echospree[] 11 points12 points13 points 1 year ago
It helps if you think about it in a different way. Think more of how the human mind comes to conclusions. It can solve a problem in a completely rational way, where everything follows from the initial statements. This is how a computer solves things. But what separates our thought process from a computers that allows for our far more creative solutions?
Simple, we make irrational assumptions and jump randomly from one idea to the next without a clear path. This could be called 'free association', and helps to explain why we can come up with crazy ideas while falling asleep or on drugs (when our rational thought processes are shut down/weaker), allowing us to come to conclusions our rational mind would never consider.
[–]pizzaeagle 21 points22 points23 points 1 year ago
thats not irrationality. That's just coming to an idea in a different way. The idea still should make sense rationally. For example... even if Einstein came up with e=mc2 while high on mushrooms, he would still need to prove it rationally and mathematically.
[–]MYCAPSLOCKBESTUCK 311 points312 points313 points 1 year ago
FUCK REDDIQUETTE. I FUCKING UPVOTE SHIT I LIKE AND DOWNVOTE BULLSHIT I DISAGREE WITH REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH IT ADDS TO A CONVERSATION. I ALSO NEVER ADD ANYTHING OF WORTH TO SAID CONVERSATION. NOBODY WHO TYPES LIKE THIS DOES.
[–]Koonu 24 points25 points26 points 1 year ago
This is basically the surest way to get upvotes. Anyone who disagrees with you will upvote you. Anyone who agrees with you will also upvote you.
[–]k310 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
wisdom.
[–]modnf 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
there is much truth in your comment. upvotes and downvotes are just the hivemind's way of telling us what it likes or dislikes
[–]tonysee200x 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
that was a nice addition to this thread. So fail -- I think.
[–]CertainlyUncertain 30 points31 points32 points 1 year ago
upvoted your shit because I liked it!
[–]hobbit6 33 points34 points35 points 1 year ago
That the West will fall from power in our lifetimes.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
But those who replace it will do so largely by adopting more Western ideas.
[–]observantone 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
They've been very stupid in dealing with the economy. I too have been imagining the downfall. But we have so many political ties and abundant military resources, I don't see it happening any time soon. I worry more about the gap between the rich and the poor. Also, in regards to world power, I sometimes look at the world map and try to predict the different sides if there was ever a WWIII.
[–]Mclanee 73 points74 points75 points 1 year ago
I'd rather abort a fetus than put an animal down.
[–]trustmeep 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago
I'll take "Future PETA Slogans" for $300, Alex.
[–]artimaeis 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
In general I agree with your sentiment, but with a condition:
No late term (3rd trimester) abortions, unless ABSOLUTELY necessary.
[–]xvegxheadx22 14 points15 points16 points 1 year ago
Sens animals have a developed nervous system and an fetus, at the time of abortion, does not, I would agree with you.
[–]pwang99 28 points29 points30 points 1 year ago
My, that is controversial. Have you ever had an abortion? Do you know anyone who has?
The fetus isn't the only part of an abortion; the emotional, psychological, and physical toll on the mother is also a major component.
On the other hand, a terminally ill cat with a failed liver... well, you're doing it a favor by easing its suffering.
[–]Seret 23 points24 points25 points 1 year ago*
EDIT 3: If you're going to downvote me, can you explain why? If it's that you think abortion is murder, and I am wrong for defending it, that's a separate debate. This post is only pertinent to the discussion over whether or not maternal health should be factored into the decision of whether abortion is moral.
Abortion itself is not traumatizing. The circumstances surrounding the woman, however, can be. Abortion is one of the safest and most common medical procedures. Think of it this way: One decides if they want to abort. Then they get anesthetized and go under the knife. There's no reason why there would be any trauma if the person getting an abortion does not find it morally reprehensible. Edit 4: This is not to say that women will not be stressed out before they get the abortion. I think any woman would be stressed out when they've just found out they have an unwanted pregnancy. But that is due to the stressful circumstances behind an abortion, not the procedure itself.
When a woman does not feel supported in her decision or feels guilty, that can cause psychological problems. As scary and disorienting it is to be a woman who has an unwanted pregnancy, and who doesn't want her future to be over, it's even worse when you have strangers or loved ones or your own conscience calling you a murderer. This is supported by an APA study from '06. And the most commonly reported feeling post-abortion is relief. Source. Post-abortion therapy exists to help women get through feeling of guilt and anxiety caused by the aforementioned stigma.
Giving birth to an unwanted child would likely have a LARGER toll on the mother, due to the social stigma of early pregnancy, being emotionally/financially unprepared to handle raising a child, interruption in education, the extreme amount of physiological changes the mother must go through, etc. Here's the source I used for the above claims. And, Abortion is actually ten times safer than childbirth. So, under your framework of evaluating maternal health, I'd say an abortion is justifiable.
But wait. Why should maternal health be a major component of the debate? Even if abortion was conclusively linked to psychological trauma, what sensible policy could come of that? How can you tell someone what personal choice will or won't traumatize them? What authority do you have to tell someone what medical risks they should take? Should we ban all surgeries/pharmaceuticals that are more dangerous than abortion? That would include most medical procedures. To put this in perspective, abortion is twice as safe as getting your tonsils removed.
Don't get caught up in ideology- this guy should be downvoted for spreading misinformation. C'mon, I looked into this literature base when I was like 13.
Separately, on the issue of putting animals down vs. abortion: Most animals are put down simply because people don't have the resources to take care of them, regardless of whether they have a terminal illness. The only difference is that animals have a developed nervous system and a desire to live. Why is it ok to kill sentient animals to prevent them from having a miserable existence when it's not ok to kill insentient fetuses for the same reason? Just throwing that out there.
EDIT: Sourced, minor fixes. EDIT2: More sources for fanciness
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
Thank you! It's so true. Having an abortion was one of the best things I've ever done, not only for me, but for the poor child that would have been. I was not cut out to be a mom then.
[–]necuz 80 points81 points82 points 1 year ago
My controversial belief is that censorship, in any form and under any circumstances, is counter-productive and should be avoided. I think any fact should be open to questioning and that no law should be made against doing so.
[–]Zymos94 56 points57 points58 points 1 year ago
Thats not controversial at all, that's the conclusion many educated people have reached.
[–]devilsfoodadvocate 24 points25 points26 points 1 year ago
It's controversial when you think about media bias, banned books, censored political cartoons, and the people who've been threatened for physical harm for expressing their beliefs and opinions.
The idea of a world without censorship isn't controversial-- but the reality of it is.
[–]MattVortex 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
What about child porn? Do you think that should be censored?
[–]necuz 32 points33 points34 points 1 year ago
I don’t think that blocking access to CP or pursuing people that access it is a worthwhile effort. The resources would be better spent targeting any organized sources of the material.
[–]heretoforthwith 12 points13 points14 points 1 year ago
That a wee bit of socialism would do this country some good.
[–]the_hitchhiker 13 points14 points15 points 1 year ago
Karma doesn't matter.
[–]choikwa 174 points175 points176 points 1 year ago
That scientists and engineers should rule the world.
[–]nhlfan 155 points156 points157 points 1 year ago
I think that people like me should rule the world
What a revelation.
[–]Titties 11 points12 points13 points 1 year ago
I'm not a scientist or an engineer and I agree with him.
[–]MDKrouzer 39 points40 points41 points 1 year ago*
Interesting note: many of China's leaders are engineers
I do agree with your sentiment though.
EDIT: See 4th Generation leaders
[–]uriman 29 points30 points31 points 1 year ago
Looking at the 5th generation that will come into power in 2012, "one sees fewer engineers and more management and finance majors."
Oh fuck. MBAs running the show. China is screwed.
[–]wolfsktaag 22 points23 points24 points 1 year ago
no no, we need philosopher kings!
[–]happybadger 20 points21 points22 points 1 year ago
Sup dawg yo we have a term for that.
[–]the_mighty_thor 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
This now!
[–]PrettyCoolGuy 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
They'd never get other people on board with their ideas. No salesmanship.
[–]Gimli_The_Dwarf 15 points16 points17 points 1 year ago
Kinda, sorta, but to put a finer point on it...
In my experience, a lot of engineers don't understand the idea that you have to sell your idea to other people. They think that if they make a better mousetrap and set it on the table, everyone will look at it, agree, and switch to the new mousetrap.
The thought that anyone wouldn't automatically fall in love with the new mousetrap is absolutely alien to them.
Jobs and Wozniak flourished because Woz was a technical genius, and Jobs understood how to sell. Gates and Allen flourished because Allen was a technical genius and Gates knew how to sell.
Microsoft is floundering right now because their senior leadership don't know how to sell - they are firmly convinced that their software sells itself.
[–]apoc680 42 points43 points44 points 1 year ago
Radiohead are overrated.
[–]Plob 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
I like Radiohead, but I agree with you.
[–]WecksyRex 36 points37 points38 points 1 year ago
I believe that America doesn't suck and its position relative to the rest of the world will remain about the same for at least the 50 or so years.
[–]guest121 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Of course it doesn't suck, just look at the migration. When that flow will be reversed, then you can say it sucks.
[–]meermeermeer 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Upvote for creativity.
[–]hedgehogsmuggler 25 points26 points27 points 1 year ago
Women's sport is like the paralympics.
It's for people who have a physical condition that prevents them from competing at the highest level.
[–]GloriousPaperWait 12 points13 points14 points 1 year ago
I think the drinking age should be 16 and the driving age should be 19 or 20. You should learn to drink long before you learn to drive and I don't think most young people have any business driving that young.
I also don't think getting a license should be as easy in the US, it should take longer and require more testing... and no one should be allowed to drive a car without knowing how to park it (parallel especially).
I'm pretty sure no one in my immediate group of acquaintances agrees with me on the driving bit.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Come to Germany. Beer at 16, driving at 18.
[–]GenerationGreg 111 points112 points113 points 1 year ago
I thought Firefly sucked
[–][deleted] 110 points111 points112 points 1 year ago
I don't care what people say about abortion, euthanasia, gay rights or kittens. You have crossed the line.
[–]rayers12 37 points38 points39 points 1 year ago
I've never even seen the show. I'm voting because holy hell it takes a pair of cojones to say that, here of all places.
[–]reverend_bedford 32 points33 points34 points 1 year ago
You will die. A slow and painful death. But before you die I'll give you an upvote for your massive balls.
[–]Borimi 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Heh, saw that comin'...
[–]jumpingpoint 33 points34 points35 points 1 year ago
Curse your sudden, but inevitable, betrayal!
[–]FatCharlie 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
I wrote a comment about month ago that I saw only opening and it looked trashy as hell, and then ask peacefully could somebody explain to me WHY it is so great.Nobody answered,bunch of downvotes came. Upvote for you,Sir!
[–]ivesonman 46 points47 points48 points 1 year ago
I know that this is going to get downvoted very fast and maybe rightly so, but this IS a topic about your most controversial beliefs, so here goes!
I believe that the people of New Orleans should stop fucking whining. I know that Hurricane Katrina destroyed your lives, and many of you lost loved ones, it sucks, it really does. But there comes a point where you just have to help yourself. All of these people who are in FEMA trailers to this very day, go out there and rebuild your fucking life! You can't just sit around and say that the goverment needs to come in and fix all of your problems.
Back in the 60's, my parents lived in a town that was destroyed by a hurricane/subsequent flood, it sucked, they lost everything. The people of their town all got together, and actually worked to rebuild. They worked in the summer heat to rebuild homes, rebuild the downtown area ect. If they saw something that needed to be rebuilt, they did it, and they did it well. It just bothers me that such a great city sits in ruins to this day, because of the laziness of its' people.
Downvote away! But you did say you wanted a controversial belief.
[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 1 year ago
I had a friend who moved to New Orleans. He rented a house in exchange for fixing it up. When they fixed the electrical work, they called the necessary inspector to sign off that the work was safe. Basically, he refused to do so without a bribe. The local government is incredibly corrupt, and is blocking progress in exchange for personal gain. They should be complaining about that.
[–]mastodan 71 points72 points73 points 1 year ago
I believe that marriage is an outdated, useless and unnatural institution. Frankly I'd like to see it go away.
[–]aitigie 24 points25 points26 points 1 year ago
It's not the thing itself, but rather the impression that it's necessary that rubs me the wrong way. I think that society's push toward mandatory marriage (through social pressures, not law) is ridiculous. Personally I think marriage is silly, but if someone wants to get married they're perfectly welcome to.
[–]madk 14 points15 points16 points 1 year ago
How do you justify that to someone like myself, who wants to socially and legally be partnered with my girl for the rest of my life? I feel like maybe the term marriage is outdated but the binding of two people, whether is be for social, legal, religious or other reasons is here to stay.
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago*
I agree, at least to the extent that it shouldn't be recognized by the law.
I have a good friend whose parents never married. They seem to be a great family.
I haven't done any research on the issue, but I wonder how eliminating legal marriage would impact divorce, taxes, and inheritance.
[–]pbar 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Mine did.
[–]TheHeretic 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
+1
[–]Loggie 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
Euthanasia for people born with severely debilitating mental handicaps. The only reason people keep them around is for sentimental value. They're a burden on everyone that interacts with them.
[–]rhoner 58 points59 points60 points 1 year ago
That expecting to live to 100 and be healthy is just stupid, and that people should stop fearing death and be happy with the time they are allowed. That working out twice a day and depriving yourself of the pleasures of life so you can get an extra couple of decades in is missing the point.
[–]LordBrandon 83 points84 points85 points 1 year ago
It is pleasurable to be fit. When i'm in shape, everything feels better, i look better, i'm better at sex which makes it more enjoyable.
On the other hand, hamburgers taste delicious, oh well fuck it.
[–]rhoner 19 points20 points21 points 1 year ago
Everything in life is balance. I too enjoy being fit, but I also like me a rib eye. Saying i believe in balance seemd like sort of a cop out. You caught me. Damn.
[–]Tallon5 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
Rib eyes can be both delicious and healthy.
[–]LordBrandon 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago
I hate idioms that sound nice but don't stand up to 10 seconds worth of thought. If you think about it, almost nothing is about balance. "everything happens for a reason" thats another one.
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 1 year ago
That only works if you think that being fit is unpleasant. I don't want to exercise to live longer; I want to be fit to better enjoy the time I have. I feel that this is the case for many people.
[–]nickonetwenty 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
I believe that the universe does not exist as you perceive it.
Reasoning: There are infinite possible explanations for your experience (eg. you are in "the matrix"). You think that one of these is true (eg. the universe exists as you think it does). The chance that you are right is thus one in infinity... essentially: zero.
[–]jamesmcm 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
That money is evil.
I basically follow Albert Einstein's beliefs mixed with the Zeitgeist Movement (PDF).
So I think that in the short-term we should move towards central planning, automation of industry and profit sharing from the automation (so relieving the work for all). Then in the far future I think we might be able to abandon money entirely and have a kind of Star Trek style socialism.
[–]Csusmatt 23 points24 points25 points 1 year ago
That America actually kind of sucks compared to other first world nations. It's impossible to convince an American that has never been to Europe that America ain't all that.
[–]LordLucan 42 points43 points44 points 1 year ago
I really believe in Eugenics, I am the grandchild of a holocaust survivor - the rest of the family perished
Genuine humanism makes feminism redundant.
[–]balchynz 38 points39 points40 points 1 year ago
That everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and shouldnt be persecuted for them
[–]wierdaaron 34 points35 points36 points 1 year ago
Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs but has no right whatsoever to impose those beliefs onto other people, or to use those beliefs to limit or restrict the rights of other people.*
*(All possible exceptions go here)
[–]lanfearl 39 points40 points41 points 1 year ago
That everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, but should be persecuted for wrong ones.
[–]Dairalir 25 points26 points27 points 1 year ago
In conjunction with that, celebrities are bad for society. Really, who cares about them? They're just other people doing their jobs (or not, whatever). I feel the same about sports, I can't believe people get paid millions and millions of dollars in contracts to toss around a ball and tackle people (or insert your sport of choice here) when there are plenty of other hard working individuals that are actually trying to better the world for other people, or just doing menial labour to keep the world running, and are getting nothing (in comparison) for it.
Celebrities have a socio/anthropological function; that is, to act as a representation of acceptable and unacceptable norms and mores of the time.
Back in tribal days, they were just high-profile members of the tribe who served the same purpose.
[–]ProjectLogic 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Exactly. Redditor subtextual explains it more eloquently than I ever could.
[–]Merrydol 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
Why? Not a defensive sports fan, just curious.
[–]Black_Apalachi 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Here in the UK, every other month there's a story in the news about a kid who has been mauled to death by the family dog. Now, these stories always involve what the media refer to as "dangerous breeds" such as pitbulls and staffies. While this leads most of the population to condemn these breeds of dogs as dangerous monsters, the wise ones among us realise it's not so much the breeds that are dangerous, but the owners. The all too accurate stereotype is a young male, with one of these hunks of muscle dragging ahead on the lead. I'm not one for labelling but these are your typical chavs. They don't know the first thing about looking after animals, let alone potentially dangerous ones and can often be seen tormenting their pets to make them more aggressive. They are essentially a status symbol. To give you an idea of what sort of intelligence we are dealing with here, the news reports usually describe an episode whereby a young child, even a baby, has been left alone with said dog for a period of time to later be found mauled to death.
My most "controversial" belief is to introduce dog licences. Similar to a driving licence, one would not be allowed to posses any type of dog without acquiring said licence. Micro-chipping would also be compulsory (the government are considering brining this in as we speak). I believe the requirements for this licence should be subjective based on the person's character, residence, income, living conditions, local area, etc. Not too dissimilar to when you adopt a pet from an RSPCA shelter - they find out about you/your family and come round to your house to ensure it is an adequate environment for the animal.
TLDR: Anyone who wants to own a dog must qualify for a dog licence.
[–]trogo 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
religion is the root of all evil
[–]schpritzenfunk 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago*
I really don't think a new miracle cure for AIDS would be beneficial. Africa can't handle its own population so nature had to improvise a solution. Was feeling very guilty over this for a long time, then I saw CBS60 minutes with its report on the US brake medicine support that Africa now became dependant of. I felt disgust when I heard people stop giving a shit about being careful because they were handed the medicine for free, happy they could continue fucking like bunnies again...My guilt have now dissipated, I am cured!
Oh, and I like the idea of goverments granting tax deductions and other goodies if you have fewer children. They shouldn't set definite numbers with punishments for non-compliance, nor spraying population-controlling-agents after airplanes, but bit of economic encouragment would have me filled with joy!
tl;dr: Babies are evil, and AIDS is kind of cool!
[–]DoobieRoller 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
People with IQ's under 125 shouldn't be allowed to procreate.
[–]Krases 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
I feel that we should have a Unicameral congress instead of a bicameral. Give the house all the powers of the senate.
I think this because I believe the Senate makes some peoples votes count more than others. Wyoming gets to elect 2 senators with around half a million people being represented while California only gets 2 senators with its millions and millions of people. To me, this fundamentally makes some individual votes count for less in the name of states rights.
[–]vectorjohn 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
This is a dream and we have to kill ourselves to wake up.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago
Meat is murder. Milk and eggs are slavery. I'm mostly for freedom: I think drugs shouldn't be illegal, and I'm strongly for freedom of speech. Yet, if I could, I would gladly illegalise the exploitation of animals.
[–]LoveOneAnother 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
I believe in the single consciousness theory.
I believe that 9/11 was an inside job. At the least, our government allowed it to happen.
[–]mpchwm 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago
That monogamy is a sham and just about everyone cheats at some point.
[–]purple_parachute_guy 49 points50 points51 points 1 year ago
You should not be allowed into church until you're at least 18.
[–]aitigie 52 points53 points54 points 1 year ago
I understand where you're coming from, but would you apply this to all forms of belief? Would you make it illegal for minors to access the internet, or the libraries? IMO, free speech is a better system than selective censorship, which doesn't work unless everyone's in agreement.
[–]a80496 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago
I think a better system would be if critically deconstructing another person's views wasn't a socially frowned upon.
In my mind this leads to everyone holding critically analyzed views and opinions, but more likely we'd just have people psychologically turtling to prevent themselves from examining their own closely held beliefs.
I'm not even sure this made sense. I'm going to bed.
[–]GirlbrushThreepwood 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
There should be a mandatory test before voting.
It would contain simple, easy to answer questions about the candidates' stands on the issues and plans for the country. The test would have the kind of information you could find out with Google or just by asking your neighbor. You would be able to retake it at any time, as many times as you like.
Hopefully, something like this would significantly lower the number of people who vote for someone who doesn't represent their beliefs just out of ignorance.
[–]cryopyre 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago
That Capitalism in every way is a vile system. I don't mean I support mild reforms of Capitalism, but the absolute dismemberment of said system.
[–][deleted] 130 points131 points132 points 1 year ago
that a God of some sort exists and is benevolent and that the Universe is inherently good.
I don´t get very many upvotes.
[–]TheDreadRedditorD 76 points77 points78 points 1 year ago
Nearly everything in this world is out to kill you on a daily basis and you think the universe is inherently good?
Damn.
[–]ebullient 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago
Duh! None of it has killed him yet!
[–]whiteman 67 points68 points69 points 1 year ago
That the social stigma attached to abortions is a really good thing. I believe that it's unequivocally murdering a human, but that sometimes it's alright to kill people, and the social stigma attached in the perfect disincentive to keep the number of abortions in check.
tl;dr: I'm pretty much both pro-life and pro-choice - I call it pro-stigma.
[–]IsItTheBagel 42 points43 points44 points 1 year ago*
I think everyone who is pro-choice is pro-life too. Pro-CHOICE means you want to the woman to make a choice, abortion or no abortion. Pro-choice is NOT pro-abortion, which is what pro-lifers seem to think. Pro-choicers support life too (well at least this all applies to me).
EDIT: I suppose I should change "everyone" to "about 80-90% of people". Everyone is too absolute.
[–]BearCav 45 points46 points47 points 1 year ago
I think "pro-choice" and "pro-life" are just ineffectual titles created for political purposes.
[–]jewdea 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago
I think you are the rightest of them all
[–]rampantdissonance 61 points62 points63 points 1 year ago
Even if it wasn't indicated by your username, I would be certain that you're a white male who has probably never faced poverty in his lifetime.
The problem with this is that the stigma doesn't just reduce the number of abortions. It also causes suicides and depression in those who have had abortions. It can leave these young girls wracked with guilt for just realizing that she and her child will almost certainly never have a good life.
I am forcing myself to remain civil, but I don't think you realize how strikingly ignorant your post is.
Look buddy, I want to decrease the number of abortions as much as you do, but there's a better way to do this. We can reduce the number of abortions without sacrificing the mental health of those who choose to have them.
Pro stigma? Does this mean that you want to deliberately put emotional distress on young girls just to further your agenda?
There is a way to do this without contributing to suicide or depression. If we subsidize all forms of birth control and provide good and accurate information we can reduce unwanted pregnancies, which will reduce abortion. Not only that, it will save money on welfare.
[–]squig 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago
...but sex education promotes pre-marital sex!
Sorry, couldn't resist. I'm with you on this. Our culture of victimism is destroying people left right and centre. We are told we are victims. Even if we don't feel like we are, with no long lasting repercussions, we are still victims, or in the case of abortion, villains.
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