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[–]alterune 89 points90 points ago

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I ask the guy out.

Screw the conventional attitudes about guys (guys ask the girl out, guys pay for EVERYTHING, etc.). If we're wearing pants and having sex before marriage why don't we throw away those attitudes as well?

[–]Boxthor 13 points14 points ago

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If you're wearing pants and having sex, I think you're doing it wrong.

...or incredibly right.

[–]roguegambit 35 points36 points ago

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Your an awesome woman, we need more girls with that attitude.

[–]ablegreen 10 points11 points ago* 

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There probably are- maybe it's just us :/

[–]roguegambit 2 points3 points ago

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Don't say that?! :(

Now my self-esteem crashed.

[–]HowItEnds 1 point2 points ago

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I'll be your huckleberry.

[–]roguegambit 0 points1 point ago

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Just what I needed! <3

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points ago

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I'll be Nigger jim!

[–]loginfliggle 0 points1 point ago

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Okay N-word Jim.

[–]The_Yeti 0 points1 point ago

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Okay N-word Jim.

I can't believe you spewed that filthy racist venom right here on reddit!

[–]A_for_Anonymous -3 points-2 points ago

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Not rly

[–]rwitt[S] 10 points11 points ago

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What??!?! Sex before marriage?!?!

Just kidding. It's good to see women that truly see themselves as equals, and aren't afraid to express their interests.

[–]alterune 4 points5 points ago

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Heh. Just beware of those that wear shoulder pads. ;)

[–]cantCme 0 points1 point ago

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Some only like to see equality if it benefits them. So when it comes to dating, guys pay for everything.
Was that bitter/cynical?

[–]Bubba-Booey 7 points8 points ago

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People are upvoting you because you are awesome, but this won't help the guy in any way because you are one in a thousand.

[–]poubelle -1 points0 points ago

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You're projecting. I've asked guys out and so have most (all?) of my friends. Newsflash: girls get rejected too. Just because you've never been asked out by a girl, or never by a girl you liked, doesn't mean that we're not asking all the time.

[–]Bibbityboo -1 points0 points ago

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Totally true. Especially "never by a girl you liked." I've asked out guys and been looked at funny/made to feel awkward. I've sort of realized that the idea is hot to guys only when its a girl they WANT to ask them out.

Of course, this goes both ways and it won't stop me from taking a risk again...

[–]poubelle -1 points0 points ago

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There have been several guys in my life who wouldn't even make eye contact with me again after I asked them out. If they ever spoke to me again it was with obviously extreme discomfort.

I'll probably do it again too, because I have poor impulse control... but right now I'm swearing off making the first move on guys. My experience has just been that they've liked the idea only in theory and are terrified (and sometimes even off-put) by the reality.

[–]NITSIRK 2 points3 points ago

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I never asked anyone out till I gave up waiting for the man I later married ;)

[–]A_for_Anonymous 2 points3 points ago

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Awesome. Ever woman needs to read this and do as you say.

When people say things aloud, everything is so much simpler, quicker, direct and far less prone to feelings broken, time wasted, etc.

For every woman in the world: Don't hint, tell!

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[–]A_for_Anonymous 0 points1 point ago* 

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Taken, but thanks for asking, that's how things should work.

[–]theindifferentone 0 points1 point ago

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Man of Reddit here. Sorry to disapoint :( I agree. Ask him out but keep it friendly. It's hard to start out again, especially if you have learned from the past (otherwise known as TRAUMA! lol). My advice is to make friends and take as long as possible to get to know people.

[–]ZeroLovesDnB 0 points1 point ago

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FUCK YES. As a shy guy that enjoys when women are socially aggressive: Fuck.yes.

To stay on topic: I'm always right when I can sense a girl isn't in to me. With that said: I hate being right.

[–]plumeria 0 points1 point ago

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I've been wondering this as well. I never realized how few women make the first move up until a lil while ago. it is absolutely ridiculous.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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This is awesome, but the reverse doesn't work very well (i.e. a guy can't assume that if a girl has NOT asked him out, she must not like him).

I haven't asked a guy out cold on a first date (honestly, it doesn't usually occur to me that he's interested unless he asks), but if I like him I'll take the initiative in turning a vague plan into a specific "we're actually doing this" plan or in asking him on date #2 or #3.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points ago

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Upvoted for being a logical, reasonable woman. A rare thing indeed. (It's still OK for men to be sexist right?)

[–]pax_mentis 30 points31 points ago

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If I know him well enough to talk one on one and hang out on our own (and he's available), I will just tell him.. but I might be more forward than most girls? haha

[–]pat322 23 points24 points ago

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Yeah, the world needs more of your kind... for the sake of men's sanity.

[–]cycophuk 0 points1 point ago

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Yeah, but why can't guys do the same thing? Either we sit in silence or we act over macho.

[–]pax_mentis 0 points1 point ago

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Meh, I still give people who don't know this about me the wrong idea, unfortunately. It only helps their sanity if I'm interested, and that's usually not the case.

[–]rwitt[S] 1 point2 points ago

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I really appreciate a girl being completely open about her feelings, but I think that's just one end of the spectrum. There are definitely girls that play it coy and hide their feelings, even after a guy pursues them for a while. As a guy, the difficulty comes in trying to figure out where the girl lies on that scale -- usually if you haven't known her that long.

[–]Geekymumma 1 point2 points ago

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That's not forward I get them naked in bed :P

Most of the time though I just tell them it's easier and leads to less misunderstandings.

[–][deleted] 58 points59 points ago

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bro, just ask her out or something. The worse she will say is something like "I have a boyfriend" or "no thanks" or "you're really drunk and think you peed yourself again"

[–][deleted] 53 points54 points ago

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All they ever say to me is "please let me go mister... I swear I won't tell anybody"

[–]CaptO 41 points42 points ago

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This gets even creepier when you minimise your comment and it says:

seanh012 0 points 19 minutes ago [+] (1 child)

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points ago

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Oh God! Now he has two!

[–]ArmandoWall 0 points1 point ago

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Three's company.

[–]LoveGoblin 4 points5 points ago

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just ask her out or something.

Seriously. Grow a pair.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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When you ask her out, watch for what kind of date she agrees to versus what kind you suggest. Rough hierarchies of date-like-ness:

  • coffee / lunch < dinner < drinks
  • earlier < later
  • weekday < weekend

Don't read too much into minor differences, but if she's pretty clearly demoting you along the hierarchy, she's telling you either "not interested" or "slow down."

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bro, you are over thinking it. It could also mean she already has plans for the weekend or just ate and doesn't want two dinners in one day. I've nailed women after coffee dates and not gotten nothing after weekend dinner dates. Your over analytical hierarchy proves nothing.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

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No, no, I'm the girl. If you've suggested a bad time, I always have a few different alternatives I can suggest. Small stuff (drinks Saturday to drinks Thursday) is just making the schedule work and doesn't mean anything. Big stuff (drinks Saturday to lunch Tuesday) or repetition (I always change weekend night stuff to day stuff) means I'm putting on the brakes.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago* 

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ok, that is you; but doubt every girl on the planet works that way. I've known a lot of girls were their "weekend" is actually Tuesday or Wednesday. There is no way to defer any type of "signals" from some random girl without context or more information about her. If I just meet a girl, there is no way of telling her schedule or what constitutes her weekend or evening. I once dated a girl that worked night shifts but didn't know this about her till the 2nd or 3rd date.

It's like "oh, she likes me, when are going out in the evening... oh wait, she works night, I have to re-calculate if she is into me or not.... carry the one and pretty sure I should just slow down, unless it's in the spring, in which case I should go in for the kiss; but oh wait, she is going out of town on her "weekend", so this means this is a weekend make up date in which cause I should ask her to my place..."? FUCK. THAT. It's easy to just feel her out during a normal conversation and interaction.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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True, but you could say the same of ALL of the responses to this thread. Not every girl will just say she likes you, or get touchy-feely, or make eyes at you, or whatever. Just picking up on what she thinks in a normal conversation is the best way to figure this stuff out, but it doesn't help the OP with his question.

In any case, I don't actually care if the guy picks up on what I'm doing or not. It's more about avoiding an awkward situation at the end of the night.

[–]aznegglover 0 points1 point ago

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..This hierarchy confuses me

[–]MagicTarPitRide 1 point2 points ago

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Well, this works for strangers, just going for it with friends can ruin friendships.

[–]mrdelayer 2 points3 points ago

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Not always true. I asked out one of my best friends, got shot down solely due to being in the wrong place at the wrong time, got the hell over it and she's still one of my best friends.

[–]feijoa_vodka 3 points4 points ago

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yeah, at one point or another my male best friends and i have asked each other out (whether involving too much vodka, or just one of us suddenly got interested). invariably we'd turn each other down, laugh at it, and continue on our way. good friendships survive that, and in my opinion ALL friendships involved a little bit of attraction. so it's normal to poke it and see if it's got legs.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Nay. If you ask a friend out and they get so fucking offended that they are no longer your friend; then they probably weren't your friend to start with.

[–]MagicTarPitRide 0 points1 point ago

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I don't know, it just seems kinda selfish, especially in situations where one cannot take a hint. In college I had a good guy friend who one day decided he was in love with one of our good girl friends. He became creepy, and I could never hand out with the two of them together. Friendcest always seems to have collateral damage, that the confessor of secret love never seems to care about before he/she act.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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There is a big difference between flirting with someone or asking them out and "deciding you are in love with them" an d acting all creepy.

[–]MagicTarPitRide 0 points1 point ago

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Yes, so in fact we are talking about two different things entirely. While your scenario starts out all nonsexual and silly, mine starts out all lame and annoying, and makes things awkward for me and a lot of our other friends.

[–]ZeroLovesDnB 0 points1 point ago

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Naw man. I told myself this and it's not the worse that can happen. D:

[–]Sommiel 19 points20 points ago

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If I told you, I would have to kill you.

Seriously, not all women are the same. There is no guide for this sort of thing, what works for one will get you pepper sprayed by the next one.

[–]mostlyaverage 15 points16 points ago

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So I shouldn't be discouraged by the frequent pepper sprayings?

[–]Sommiel 7 points8 points ago

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Just think of it as behavior modification therapy.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points ago

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Funny you should say that - I have independently arrived at a similar saying. I'm glad someone besides me understands this.

[–]Dr_David 0 points1 point ago

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LOL!! That got read out loud to my wife who also LOL'd.

[–]Sommiel 7 points8 points ago

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I have said this a bazillion times, there is no set guidelines, there is no system. Every person is an individual and responds differently and a lot of it is left to chance and your ability to read a situation.

It doesn't matter what one woman does, because some man that can't read signals is going to take it the wrong way.

Am I touching my hair because I want you to bone down with me? Am I touching my hair because it's on my face and I lost my hair doo dad. Am I giving you eye contact because I want your dick in my mouth or is it because I am pretty sure I saw you on America's Most Wanted?

For hell's sake, just take a chance once in a while and just ask someone.

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[–]HellSD 4 points5 points ago

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I can vouch that those are all valid out here in the country.

[–]The_Yeti 0 points1 point ago

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Pee a circle around you to mark their territory.

It's so cute when they do that, all territorial and stuff.

[–]ElectricFluid 18 points19 points ago

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Well I'm no woman but this should help... http://www.sirc.org/publik/flirt.html

[–]arcadeguy 12 points13 points ago

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alcohol was voted the most effective aid to flirting by respondents in the Martini Flirting Survey.

In unrelated news, 74% of generic brand tissue papers are laced with the HIV virus according to the Kleenex Incorporated Survey.

[–]codemnk 5 points6 points ago* 

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I like how it's mentioned about a hundred times that girls should be careful about what they say/do, since everything will most likely be interpreted as a sign of "sexual availability" by men. <:

A really interesting read though.

[–]thebabyjesus 3 points4 points ago

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Honestly, sometimes it feels that way. I knew one guy that freaked when I turned him down because, and I quote, "but, you talk to me sometimes!"

[–]plumeria 0 points1 point ago

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seriously, we have to be careful in that relm. You smile too much, and he is likely to assume you want to fuck

[–]m2c 2 points3 points ago

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This is mostly due to most women playing the "read my signs!" game.

[–]plumeria 0 points1 point ago

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If being chipper and friendly to both men and women is a game I guess I'm just a player

[–]m2c 0 points1 point ago

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That is not the problem, the problem is women have a much more indirect approach to letting someone know they like them, leaving a lot more guesswork to guys, thus misinterpreting anything more friendly than we expected. I think =p

[–]plumeria 0 points1 point ago

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Very true, but being friendly in a casual way can be all it takes. Or at least that has been my experience.

I must say I am baffled at how other women never seem to make the first move, I'm not a confident person, but if I think we are clicking I have no problem speaking up.

[–]KennyFulgencio 2 points3 points ago

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Jesus that's terrifying. The sheer volume of information. I'll be so busy trying to remember it that I'll be even more stilted and awkward than normal.

[–]Sommiel 1 point2 points ago

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There will be a quiz later.

[–]WeAreButFew 0 points1 point ago

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CONTACT HAS BEEN MADE! GO, GO, GO! THIS IS NOT A DRILL!

[–]mostlyaverage 2 points3 points ago

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I like the way this is written; it's as if it were for an alien observing humans and their bizzare mating rituals.

[–]quadshock 1 point2 points ago

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This is truth. Yet, the person/people who wrote this still probably don't truly understand women.

[–]pase 2 points3 points ago

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If you are female, the odds are that you are more attractive than you think, so try flirting with some better-looking men.

NOOOOOOO! FUUUUUU-

[–]rwitt[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Wow, a ton of information here. Thanks.

[–]reichan 2 points3 points ago

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I'll emphasize the touch part in there. I'm shy and not likely to flat out say I'm interested, but I'll usually make it a point to touch the guy when I need to move past him or something. I don't mean brush by them, but more of a hand placed on them. I'm pretty hands-off in general so if I do it more than once, it's a good sign I'm interested... but as you can see here, we don't all fit into one box.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points ago

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Oh man. I am the kind of girl that guys may hate because I never outright say "I like you" but will always be friendly, hang out one on one, and keep in contact. You will know if I like you if you touch me and I don't cringe but even then...you'll know if i like you if I put my head on your shoulders. Or talk about other guys with you? I suck at boys. I'm just as confused as the rest of you.

[–]A_for_Anonymous 3 points4 points ago* 

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I suck at boys.

No shit, Sherlock! Why not start by speaking your mind out loud? Don't give us that "hints" bullshit. We can't tell if you're friend-zone friendly or open-to-fuck-friendly. Do tell.

[–]uppity_negro 1 point2 points ago

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Nice guy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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okay, sir.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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You suck at boys? I think you're doing it wrong.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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what's the right way?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Remove the "at"

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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I mean, when I talk about other guys with you it usually means I am not interested in you.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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i would mention someone i am interested in to a male friend. i would also discuss my past with someone i like if i felt it was relevant but would avoid it. i can't be one of those girls always talking about their ex.

[–]anonymgrl 15 points16 points ago

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I am a bit of a flirt, mostly because I really like men and find them all interesting and desirable on some level. The one thing I do, when I am especially attracted and interested, is sneak glances at their mouth because I can't help but think of kissing them. If you do that with a girl you think might be interested in you (glance at her lips) and she does the same back, you can feel pretty confident that she feels some attraction.

That's all I got. :) Good luck.

[–]omdoks 8 points9 points ago

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I get paranoid that the girl is looking because I'm some kind of weirdo.

[–]mcrbids 3 points4 points ago

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Why not just admit that you ARE some kind of weirdo, be OK with that, and skip the whole paranoia thing?

I used to be totally awkward, afraid that chix might think I'm a nerd. Until, one day, I figured that a nerd is who I was, and that I outta just be OK with my inner nerd and "come out". Strangely, although I'm still a pasty white nerd, my awkwardness went away, since my attention was focused on what I was doing, rather than what mistakes I might make. I've even been told that I'm a good dancer! Within a year, I met my wife and we've been together ever since.

Nerd power! w00t!

Face your innermost fears head-on. Accept who you are, and be OK that you aren't somebody else. Then, date chix that people like who you are would actually like.

The rest? Piece of cake.

[–]cantCme 3 points4 points ago

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So you are saying it is OK for me to go to a bar while wearing my "I failed the Turing test" shirt?

[–]tactics 1 point2 points ago

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It's totally OK. It's just that most girls will see "Turing test" and think it means "getting laid test."

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I'd buy you a bear.

[–]ZeroLovesDnB 0 points1 point ago

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I read bear.

[–]cantCme 0 points1 point ago

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Out of pity, I guess?

[–]HellSD 2 points3 points ago

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Just want to say that being a weirdo is a lot better than you'd think.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point ago

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Being a weirdo, if you can rock it with a little bit of confidence, is quite a bit better than being normal.

Weird is novel, attention-grabbing, and possibly profitable. Being normal just means you're a slave to what other people think.

[–]Oak 1 point2 points ago

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They'll probably chill a bit when you put down the hatchet...try it.

[–]A_for_Anonymous -1 points0 points ago

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You need to overcome this; does you no good. First of all, it'll be seen as a lack of confidence, which means you're friend-zone material and they ain't fucking you until doomsday or beyond. Second, it's bad for you. So what if you're a weirdo? Being weird is being unusual. Being usual means to creep through your piece of shit life and get drunk while you're on to the latest fad because the next monkey does it and you totally have to do it because you need to be "in". Unusual means not this, which has a 50% chance to be better. Be sure to be in this 50%. Accept that you're different; this means you use your brain instead of giving in to the social monkeys' poor hive mind. Take pride in who you are. Realize that by approaching a girl, chances are that you're doing her a favour by spending your precious time on her. Have pride if you're looked at.

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Yeah that might work for a girl doing it to a guy, but a girl is probably gunna think the guy is looking at her tits if he glances down.

[–]jun2san 1 point2 points ago

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This is hilarious because I was just telling my friend that the I met a girl at the bar and the first thing I looked at was her mouth because she had a huge overbite. But I felt bad because I know she caught me looking and didn't smile for the rest of the night.

[–]A_for_Anonymous 1 point2 points ago

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Maybe you could have taken advantage of this situation; if she's the average kind of girl you lowered her apparent value and established yourself as higher value, so she might try to level up to your value by gaining your interest.

[–]rwitt[S] 1 point2 points ago

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Thanks, I think I'm going to pay a bit more attention to those lip-glances in the future.

[–]Sweetdee3 10 points11 points ago

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I usually just get drunk and cling to them all evening. If I am not sitting next to them I will be super loud and obnoxious so as to be sure that they can at least hear me.

[–]rwitt[S] 18 points19 points ago

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Haha, I think we dated a few times.

[–]Sweetdee3 5 points6 points ago

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What can I say? 80% of the time it works every time.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

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60% of statistics are made up, 72% of the time.

[–]tactics 0 points1 point ago

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60% of statistics are made up, 72% of the time.

A curious mind wants to know if this statement is logically equivalent to saying that 72% of statistics are made up 60% of the time.

[–]arrowoftime 6 points7 points ago

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You haven't happened to date a retarded rapper, have you?

[–]DennisReynolds 2 points3 points ago

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Dammit Dee, who let you out of the bar again? Get back to being useless!

[–]Sweetdee3 0 points1 point ago

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I quit the bar Dennis. I am going to be Li'l Kev's manager.

[–]DennisReynolds 0 points1 point ago

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You can't quit the bar! The bar owns you, as it says in this contra-... Mac... You didn't have to eat that one, you shit-head!

[–]SamFuckingNeill 16 points17 points ago

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don't underestimate the power of the friend zone

[–]ShannahQuilts 0 points1 point ago

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Agreed. You never know when someone will introduce you to the love of your life. It happened to me.

[–]zfxpv 10 points11 points ago

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Don't think that was what SamFuckingNeill was talking about.

[–]mo-el-fo1234 7 points8 points ago* 

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The Friend Zone, a romantic tragedy disguised as comedy.

[–]railroadmonster 1 point2 points ago

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(= =(

[–]ZeroLovesDnB 1 point2 points ago

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Why do I see the plow of a bulldozer?

THE FRIENDZONE BULLDOZERRRRRRR(==(

[–]ShannahQuilts 0 points1 point ago

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If not, maybe it should have been.

[–]A_for_Anonymous -1 points0 points ago* 

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This. Don't be friendly before making it very clear that you're after her pussy, and don't lift a finger for her if you ain't getting your cock rubbed in some way for it; otherwise you're wasting your time.

Either that, or do be friendly, and seek a decent non-ladder girl, which are pretty rare but likely worth the trouble, but in that case, be sure to detect quickly when you get friend-zoned so you can tell the bitch to piss off and never look at her again.

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non-ladder girl?

[–]A_for_Anonymous 0 points1 point ago

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One that doesn't behave according to the ways of the Ladder Theory.

[–]obsessive_cook 8 points9 points ago

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Back in high school I was a pretty shy girl. I had a crush on a guy for about two years before I finally told him. He'd sit behind me in English and ask if I wanted his leftover fruit from lunch. I loved doodling, so if it was a banana or orange, I'd draw on it.

One day instead of drawing, I wrote him a note, telling him I liked him, and gave it to him after class. I told him I liked him via banana.

I say if girls aren't handing you doodles and love notes on fruit, don't bother.

[–]kermityfrog 1 point2 points ago

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So you doodled on his banana. Giggidy!

[–]The_answer_is_42 0 points1 point ago* 

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I'm not sure if I interpreting this the right way.

[–]modernette 2 points3 points ago* 

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touching.

[–]my_life_is_awesome 1 point2 points ago

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i'm touched.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points ago

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I'd like to take this opportunity to ask the women of reddit one quick question. What's the deal with you putting your leg over mine when we're sitting on a couch? This has happened a couple of times and confused me to no end! We're just sitting there watching a movie with a few friends and out of nowhere your right leg ends up on top of my left leg. What the hell do I do with that?

[–]MamaMass 14 points15 points ago

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The ONLY time I put my leg on a guy is if I'm really interested in him. Period. I have had best friends who were guys but I never got THAT close to them. The leg on your leg should be a dead give away that she likes you... Or at least it is in my case :)

[–]TheTwilightPrince 8 points9 points ago

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My casual female friends do it to me all the time.

[–]superjerk 24 points25 points ago

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you go by "the twilight prince" here, it's completely possible that they all suspect that you're gay.

[–]TheTwilightPrince 3 points4 points ago

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Meh, I was going to correct you and downvote you, then I just decided it was funny. Have an upvote and an orangered.

[–]ScannerBrightly 5 points6 points ago

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It was funny. Also, your casual female friends want to bone you.

[–]mcrbids 2 points3 points ago

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But don't be too forward about it! Try gently rubbing her leg with your hands, in a slowly, increasingly suggestive way. Take your time! Being slow and careful is the way to play this, since you don't want to lose her as a friend.

If/when it's really obvious that things are heating up fast, ask her up front, where she'd like to go with this. Don't make it jarring, make it caring, that you like her and don't want to jeapordize your friendship.

And if she withdraws, just say that you were misreading her signals, that you really like her as a friend, and that while you find her incredibly OMFG attractive, you're ok with backing off if that's what she needs!

But if she's good with it, move on to 1st base! IMHO, chicks really like it when you show that you care enough to stop and ask before moving on... (and those that don't want you to stop and ask first probably aren't worth rooting, anyway)

[–]TheTwilightPrince 1 point2 points ago

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Now I'm just way too tired to think of anything remotely funny or resembling a comeback. I'm going to bed.

[–]kehbleh 1 point2 points ago

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an orangered what? AN ORANGERED WHAT?!?!

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[–]kehbleh 0 points1 point ago

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zomg how did you know? (here's one for you)

[–]KarmaKaiser 0 points1 point ago

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they all suspect that you're gay.

My main problem in dating.

[–]aznegglover 0 points1 point ago

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The girl I like thinks I'm gay

I can't tell if she's joking or not

Hoo-fucking-ray

[–]KennyFulgencio 4 points5 points ago

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Yeah, my girlfriend got pissed when I said I wasn't sure how I felt about her doing that to other guys around me. (And I wasn't sure--I couldn't figure out if leg-over-leg was innocent or not. Ain't something I do to girls I'm not with) Then a few weeks later she started cheating on me. Fuck.

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Yeah, both girls in question did this while sitting next to their significant others. IE, they were between me and them but had their legs over me which I thought was strange.

[–]PolishDude 1 point2 points ago

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Eunuchs are exempt from pondering the meaning of this situation.

[–]A_for_Anonymous 0 points1 point ago

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It's called prick-teasing. Bitches do that to tease dick and troll for guys, then act all suprised, offended and disgusted if they react positively OR negatively. Basically it's a trap.

[–]stredd 9 points10 points ago* 

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[I'm a man.] Leg over leg is obvious flirtation. Every time a girl has done that with me, I've hooked up with her later that night. Next time make a move.

Edit: My experiences were always in party-type environments, so I guess it's a bit different. In your situation I still think the girl was flirting, but she also might have been doing the flirt-for-attention-but-really-just-wants-to-be-friends move. The only way to tell if it's "flirting to hook-up" or "flirting to tease" is to make a move. Then, if she says she "just wants to be friends", believe it.

[–]mcrbids 1 point2 points ago

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Pretty much my advice...

[–]Bo-jangle 1 point2 points ago

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It means there is a 99% chance they are interested in you. Put your hand on their thigh, look at them and see where it goes.

[–]my_life_is_awesome 1 point2 points ago

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must be a daddy-issues thing. or territorial. I don't know about these other chicks, but if my leg is all of a sudden on top of your legs, it probably means it's time to get it on.

[–]double_jointed 1 point2 points ago

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this, plus "friendly" shoulder massages and walking arm-in-arm have definately set me up for some awkward moments.... in both ways

[–]NITSIRK 0 points1 point ago

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Shoulder massages are often a way of showing another nearby bloke what he's missing. If you are the next bloke, especially if several of you asked to be next is a far better sign - check to see how much she watches you during the massage, extra points for furtive glances. I used this loads to great effect.

[–]NITSIRK 0 points1 point ago

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I do that all the time, it's comfy and means I feel comfy - or I am cold and you are nice and warm!

[–]Bo-jangle 4 points5 points ago

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I'm too shy to ask guys out, so I try to engineer situations in which they will make a move on me.

For example, I really wanted to sleep with this hot guy at uni. I had recently broken up with my boyfriend and ran into him at some event. We got talking and he lived near my dad (where I often stayed after a drunken night in the city as he lived close), so he ended up offering me a lift after I kind of hinted a lift would be handy. On the drive I managed to lead the conversation towards my ex and he asked how he was so I told him we'd broken up. The next words out of his mouth were 'so your place or mine?' (still the best pickup line I've heard) and I said 'yours' then we went back to his place and fucked all night.

My partner these days ended up inviting me to the movies after meeting me through a mutual friend and we went back to his place after and I said I was too tired to drive home after we'd been talking for ages (lame lame excuse I know) so he offered that I could stay at his and then there was only one bed so yea... It took a while that night but he eventually realised I was interested and made a move (he said he didn't know if I was being friendly or not ).

So anyway, if a friend is trying to get you in a situation where you are alone with her, especially at night and either at your house or hers, it's probably a good sign.

Though honestly, stuff like this isn't set in stone and some women don't work like this, other women like to lead you on for just the hell of it and some you have to be quite direct with, etc. It's like how everyone says guys like a chase. I'm easy as can be, and I've had no trouble attracting guys even though I'm pretty slutty.

When I 'friendzone' someone I'm a lot more friendly to them, physical contact is easier, than other guys as I'm not worried about them finding out I like them and them not reciprocating. Guys I have the hots for, I tend to be more reserved and shy around, but again that will vary significantly between women. Sorry I can't be more specific about 'rules to follow'.

For strangers, just ask them out, don't beat around the bush as the worst that will happen is that they will say no and laugh at you. Which in the scheme of things is not too bad.

[–]A_for_Anonymous 1 point2 points ago

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Don't hint, tell! You're missing out on the guys you want to lay and/or romantically date, and you're probably going to get poor guys you're uninterested in after you, bothering you and wasting their time.

[–]Bo-jangle 0 points1 point ago

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Yea I know. Easier said than done though, I'm just too shy when it comes to guys I am interested in. Interesting in light of how I am opinionated and outgoing in all other areas of my life.

But it's not relevant any more as I'm in a long term relationship. But trying to get him into bed was an effort despite both of us being interested. He's probably more shy than me :)

[–]A_for_Anonymous 0 points1 point ago

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I'm just too shy when it comes to guys I am interested in.

Guys tend to be even worse, and you're definitely missing out on the shy guys who are usually the better ones (nice, reliable, loyal, competent, with a future) as long as they have some self-esteem (which some of them lack; you may want to avoid these).

I know it can be difficult to overcome shyness, but you need to get used to spot the good stuff and grab it before somebody else does, for everything good in life. If you can't help it, you may try it online. You get the good guys (and the weirdos, choose carefully) and it's much easier and straightforward; besides everybody involved knows what everybody else's about.

But it's not relevant any more as I'm in a long term relationship.

Er, crap. I wrote the above before reading this. Well, I've left it anyways in case it's useful for somebody else.

But trying to get him into bed was an effort despite both of us being interested. He's probably more shy than me :)

He probably has a nice assortment of fetishes he didn't dare to tell you about. Every guy does, no matter what they say :) .

[–]Bo-jangle 0 points1 point ago

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Oh we've been together six years, so I'd hope I knew all his fetishes by now. He does have a lovely assortment of them actually, that luckily correspond with my own :) Once it had been established that we were both interested in each other, there was no more shyness really, which is generally how it works for me as I am not a shy person in general in other areas of my life.

I agree that shy guys with self-esteem are better in general, but often overlooked. Something I've been trying to get my sister to realise!

[–]The_Yeti 0 points1 point ago

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I'm too shy to ask guys out

Reading the rest of your post, you actually sound pretty slutty. Or maybe like a gay dude.

[–]aznegglover 0 points1 point ago

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and I've had no trouble attracting guys even though I'm pretty slutty

Wait, what?

[–]Bo-jangle 0 points1 point ago

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Well I was always told that no guy would want a woman who was really easy to pick up, because guys like someone who plays hard to get. I don't really like to play hard to get - if I want a guy I won't pretend otherwise if they hit on me, and I really haven't found anyone who has knocked me back for being too easy :) I was trying to use this as an example about why rules for dating/picking up are dumb, as they just do not apply universally.

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so he ended up offering me a lift after I kind of hinted a lift would be handy

A girl actively trying to get you to drive her home alone after being out drinking is the most blatant "let's fuck" move. Every time this has happened to me, I got lucky.

The funny thing is, the first time this happened to me I was so clueless, I didn't get that. I dutifully drove her home and waited for her to get out. She's like extending the conversation, then is like uhh... hey take me to 7-11 to get some beer. Ok. Once again, go to drop her off, she's like beating around the bush, then finally she broke down and was like, soooo you want to come in?

[–]selectrix 3 points4 points ago

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Since I'm not a woman (despite recent photo thread evidence to the contrary), I'm not sure how much insight I can offer, so any females reading this feel free to confirm or deny what I have to say.

In terms of cues (which I believe is what you're looking for), the most reliable one I've found is if she's looking at you often. If she briefly holds eye contact and smiles, then
a) you're set,
b)she's probably fairly cool, if she's willing to be open like that. If not, she's probably just shy, and
c) smile back, for goodness sake! (if interested)

If she considers you a friend, it's highly unlikely she'd steal glances at you as often as possible. Unless you have really odd facial features or something else visibly awry about you.

[–]psilocyber 1 point2 points ago

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If I'm not interested in a guy, I won't make any effort to contact him in between any social events we both attend. I'll be friendly and maybe flirty when we happen to see each other, but that's it.

If I am romantically interested, I'll take the time to text or IM him every once in a while to see if he wants to hang out. Basically, giving him more attention than necessary.

[–]tactics 1 point2 points ago

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What does it matter if she likes you or not.

Reframe.

Do you like her? If so, go for it.

Lesson: Don't make what you think she thinks more important than what you think.

[–]my_life_is_awesome 1 point2 points ago

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Me: Would you like to go out with me on a date?

You: Yes or No.

I mean, would you like it hand-written on a note with check-boxes and hearts? 'Cause I can do that too.

[–]WomanWithQuestions 1 point2 points ago

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Just be yourself. I always hung out with a guy in a no-pressure, we're just friends kinda way first before moving on to dating, etc. I was never sure if it had the potential to go beyond friends until we had been friends for a bit.

Once I figured that out, he didn't need the Rosetta stone to figure it out, kwim. I wasn't into playing games.

[–]cheeeky 1 point2 points ago

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Im kind of a naturally flirtatious girl..so sometimes I send off the wrong signals. So to show a guy I'm NOT interested, I will talk to him about other guys. That's my "we're only friends" signal. If I touch you while being flirty... that's my.."I want you" signal. =) See...easy. =)

[–]Kalium 0 points1 point ago

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So to show a guy I'm NOT interested, I will talk to him about other guys. That's my "we're only friends" signal.

Sadly, I've known women who will do this in an effort to provoke a jealousy response. And they wonder why it doesn't usually work.

[–]cheeeky 0 points1 point ago

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No, I don't play those types of games. I'm talking about harmless flirting.

[–]Kalium 0 points1 point ago

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You don't, and for that I and every other man thanks you.

Stuff like this is why we men often view women as too complex to understand. Personally, I've given up trying.

[–]A_for_Anonymous -1 points0 points ago

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Im kind of a naturally flirtatious girl..so sometimes I send off the wrong signals.

Which will get you with the wrong guys in the wrong situations. Your loss.

So to show a guy I'm NOT interested, I will talk to him about other guys.

Doesn't always happen. I wasted time in the past with a bitch that wouldn't talk about any other guys and flirt, and she was even taken. I want my time back.

[–]cheeeky 0 points1 point ago

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You sound bitter. What "bitch" fucked you over?

Even if a guy isn't feelin me but I enjoyed the banter and generally had a good time, I don't consider it a waste. So what! There's plenty other dudes out there!

[–]A_for_Anonymous 0 points1 point ago* 

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You sound bitter.

I'm always bitter, I'm an angry Internet man.

What "bitch" fucked you over?

One that flirted while being taken, teasing my prick and ultimately wasting my time. This is why I prefer prostitution: you know how much it'll cost, you know you're fucking for sure, you're not wasting any time on signals bullshit, and it's like point and fuck.

Once I wanted a serious relationship, I used a similar approach: dating site with a no-nonsense profile seeking another no-nonsense profile, dating from day zero, information that I'm about to fuck her (i.e. no friend-zone allowance; take me or leave me), and database filtering. My girl gave me no stupid signals or flirting; everything was completely explicit and agreed upon so no misunderstandings could happen. We've been together for a year and a half and things are looking very long-term. And the best of all is that I wasted no time: I spent far less time with this girl before we started dating (just a series of emails to clarify our profiles, positions, expectations, etc.) than all my previous dates which were a waste of time and effort only to realize they sucked when dating.

This is why I'm angry at having wasted so much time before with flirting and girls' social freeze tag games. Granted, I should have known better, but the time I wasted on them should have been better spent at videogames, prostitutes and laughs with my buddies. So if I had to live my life again, I'd follow these wise guidelines:

  1. Completely ignore girls from school and work; if they attempt to flirt, give them a look of disapproval ( ಠ_ಠ ), then walk away; it may also help you not getting sued for rape or sexual harrassment which they may do anytime should you play their game (see, I'm male; rapist until proven otherwise)
  2. Prostitution; it's cost-effective
  3. Once I'm tired of fucking everything that moves, look for a serious relationship with a database

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[–]rwitt[S] 0 points1 point ago

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Believe it or not that's how I figured it out w/ the girl I ended the long-term relationship with. Chicken-or-go is a great flirty game to play.

[–]DunnoSource 0 points1 point ago

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If I'm just being friendly, I mention a boyfriend, even if I don't have one.

If I'm interested, I play up the eye contact, I've been told I actually bat my eyelashes - good lord, and I WILL invite you to do something/hang out in a casual way...that way if you're not interested, it's not all awkward and embarrassing. Also, if I can tell a guy is interested in me and flirting and I'm also interested, I get really flustered and giggly.

[–]redditmoose 0 points1 point ago

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The General's General Rule:

Girls have needs. Like food, these needs don't go away. If she isn't clearly smitten with someone else, she's likely available. Some are a bit masochistic, but generally when they know you have food they come around when they're hungry.

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I never understood this "women are mysterious creatures" schtick that some guys hide behind and some women propagate.

Women are not mysterious creatures. They want the same basic things that we do and they more or less go about getting them, just like us guys. When they want sex, they have sex--same as guys.

Just buck up and quit looking at women like they are some sort of enigma. They are wonderful, equal creatures that make life great.

[–]NITSIRK 0 points1 point ago

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Look for signs of nervousness but not checking door - checking friends is fine but can go either way as in help or stay away! licking lips or lingering over drink is good, but flicking hair is usually just habit.

Do not get too nervous yourself, before I settled down I was notorious for jabbering away to some poor techy bloke who couldn't believe they'd found a female blond curvy big eyed geek. It was the red bull, and I would suddenly decide they weren't holding up their end of the conversation and wander off!

Good luck, and feel free to ask more questions!

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When a women laughs at your bad jokes, leans forwards and looks into your eyes intently, is when you know. Also when they lightly touch you on the arm and fiddle with their hair.

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I was out with a good friend of mine named Mandy the other night. One of my other friends was trying to talk to some girls at another table, but was a bit nervous, this is bascically what she said to him:

"Blhack's friend, go up to those girls and ask them for their number and if they want to hang out some time. if they reject you, it's their bad and it means that they're stupid cunts. Why would you care if three stupid cunts don't want to talk to you? Just go ask them, if they reject you it means they're lame anyway."

Best. Advice. Ever.

[–]ablegreen 0 points1 point ago

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Just wondering- is copying and the occasional smile a sign of flirtation?

[–]A_for_Anonymous -3 points-2 points ago

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It's closer to rape bait than it is to flirtation.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points ago

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Evolution spent a long time creating you sir. If you get the vaguest idea a girl likes you its prolly right. If you don't get that idea its usually for a reason. Instinct is rarely wrong. That being said, a cue I have noticed as consistent over many years is this following: In casual conversation you might notice a slight pause in her conversation or while shes listening to you speak - she will get a bit "googley eyed" and look at you intently. Do your best not to notice or call attention to this. This is the part where shes most likely thinking "Yeah.. I think its on".

[–]A_for_Anonymous -1 points0 points ago

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If you get the vaguest idea a girl likes you its prolly right.

At this point I checked up your user name to see if you were the bad advice giver guy.

P.S.: See you in jail, for rape. It's always rape.